H&K VP9 (Striker Fired)

I have the freelance on one of my mags...works great. No issues. I just installed the trijicon HD's and thought it was just me that was shooting low. Haha. I think with the correct hold, I'll get dialed in.

"It is simple....the job, and the system hate you, and you only have you and your fellow officers.......and many of them are questionable." 

Agreed. But I shoot so much faster with them. So I'm not gonna give up on them yet. I'm hitting about 1-2" low from the 25. 

"It is simple....the job, and the system hate you, and you only have you and your fellow officers.......and many of them are questionable." 

I really love the VP9 thus far that I have shot it, the only thing I would like is for there to be some grip/texture under the trigger guard. I've shot a few other handguns with stippling there, and found it to be a *tremendous* assistance. I'm tempted to go at it, but I'm afraid of messing up the mag release. Has anyone seen any examples of stippling under HK trigger guards? I haven't been able to find any photos in my brief scanning of the interwebs.

Originally Posted by masternave:

I really love the VP9 thus far that I have shot it, the only thing I would like is for there to be some grip/texture under the trigger guard. I've shot a few other handguns with stippling there, and found it to be a *tremendous* assistance. I'm tempted to go at it, but I'm afraid of messing up the mag release. Has anyone seen any examples of stippling under HK trigger guards? I haven't been able to find any photos in my brief scanning of the interwebs.

Here is one - https://www.facebook.com/enhan.../?type=1&theater

 

I did both of mine. One is just lightly stippled over the factory textured areas and the other I did over everything.

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I ended up going back over the one with the light on it more aggressively and extended the stippling to the area where my support side thumb rests and underneath the trigger guard. I'll try to get some pics of that area when I get back home from CA.

Joined: 13AUG2010         Location: Southern Arizona 

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Originally Posted by K.O.A.M.:

I was fortunate enough to drop mine off with Gentle Ben a week before he stopped taking in anything other than Glocks & M&P's.   I look forward to getting it back and shooting it a bunch.

Lucky!  I was very disappointed to see that.  It figures that I decide to dump my Glocks right when Ben announces he's only taking Glock/M&P work.  SMB will be working over mine in a couple months, though I've been pleasantly surprised by the stock texture.  It may be more the shape of the grip than anything else, but the VP9 doesn't squirm around in my hands as much as a stock Glock.  We'll see if that still holds true once summer arrives down here.

 

I've shot 2,443 rounds between my two VP9s so far.  One has been flawless.  The other suffered its first stoppages (three failures to extract) at the range yesterday, about 150 rounds into my practice session (total round count on that one was roughly 1,260 at the time).  Examination of the cases that failed to extract (some leftover Tula) revealed that they were covered in a gummy black substance.  My best guess is that after I got the barrel good and hot, then let a round sit in the chamber for a bit, whatever coating Tula uses on their stuff melted enough to keep the spent case in the chamber.  I'm inclined to chalk this one up to shitty ammo, not any problem with the gun.  I can say that the "unload-load" method of clearing a Type III works rather well on the VP9, especially with grip cutouts that allow for easy stripping of the mag without needing to lock the slide to the rear.

 

As for sights, I've got a set of the Heinie Ledge sights on one gun, and the other is currently with Barry at Precision Works getting Trijicon HDs installed.  I am a big fan of Heinie's crisp sight picture for precision stuff, but I really like having a high visibility front for speed, especially against a dark target.  Once I get the second gun back, I'll shoot them side by side at 25 and 50 to see how POI compares.  When I get around to picking up VP9 number three, it'll be headed off to L&M for RMR installation.

 

Overall, I'm very satisfied with these guns, enough so that after eight years of being a dedicated Glock guy, it only took me a month and a couple thousand rounds to decide to go all in with HK.  The VP9 is just so much more enjoyable to shoot that I've gone to the range more times in the past month than I did in the last six months of 2014.  It's hard to quantify, but I don't feel like I'm fighting the VP9 to pull off a perfect trigger press.  With Glock, even in dry fire, I could never manage to break a shot without disturbing my sight picture at least a little, no matter how much or how little finger I used, and regardless of how I pressed the trigger.  Five minutes of dry fire with the VP9, and I was able to find exactly the right trigger press to break a shot without disturbing my sights.

 

A lot of folks have extolled the VP9 because it's completely serviceable out of the box.  I tend to agree, at least with the LE package.  Like I said, I'll get some grip work done eventually, and while I didn't really care for the Meprolight sights, they're not bad.  But I had no qualms about carrying a completely stock gun once I verified it reliably fed my current choice of defensive ammo.  With my Glocks, I felt I had to clean up the internals and install a lighter connector, swap out the controls for Vickers parts, put on new sights, stipple the grip, and upgrade the magazine springs before I was satisfied.  The VP9, on the other hand...  I just want to go shoot it, then shoot it some more.

 

Now, if only I could find some more spare mags that aren't outrageously overpriced.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

This is hands down the best stock duty pistol that I have ever shot. I'm a hardcore glock guy and the VP9 blows me away. As a lefty, I have a slight problem of riding the slide release, but that's on me since I've never been able to use one on a glock obviously.

Despite the mag release being new to me, I've had no problem hitting it at the range or at USPSA. I was personally unimpressed with the triji HDs for this gun (they'll be up on the HESM soon) and I plan to buy a second to have it milled for an RDS. Based upon the bullseye scores I was shooting at 25m with the crappy stock sights, I expect this gun to easily group at 50m+.

Now that 3gn has changed their rules and has a 15rd mag cap, I'll be using the vp9 in the factory division this season and I'll shoot it at the NRA TPC matches if I can find an x300 retention duty holster.

Received the cut-down 7ts from holsterops.com today. Replaced the paddle with the belt attachment and while it rides a little high overall I think I'm going to be happy with it. Will try it at a club match and then may get another as a dedicated class rig on a battle belt.  May wait for the x300u-compatible version though as I don't have any night classes available until December.

Location: Somewhere between Manteo and Murphy

A DG-20 seems to work alright, though there is a bit of a gap (maybe 1/8th of an inch) between the switch and the front strap.  I'll put a few rounds though it later this week to see how it feels.  There's no obstruction of the mag release.  I have no idea what holsters this will work with; I won't be carrying concealed with the light.

 

 

 

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

For those who are interested due to either not liking (me) or losing the charging supports, smooth inserts are now available. I haven't received mine yet but am eager to check them out. I also ordered a spare large backstrap as I may tinker with a bobtail grind on it just for kicks as sometimes the end of the grip prints.

Location: Somewhere between Manteo and Murphy

Put another 1500 rounds through my pair over the weekend at a Randy Cain course in Lakeland.  We did a brief exercise in which everyone got the chance to shoot everyone else's gun.  Shooting multiple Glocks (including one with a Boresight grip reduction) side by side with the VP9 convinced me that I had absolutely made the right decision to switch.  The VP9 grip angle and texture work so much better for me than a stock Glock.  Another student who's been shooting a PPQ for a while decided to pick up a VP9 after shooting mine; he's been having some tendonitis issues and was happy to find that the HK has noticeably less felt recoil than the Walther.

 

Some discussion with that same student brought up some concern over how to activate the magazine release.  I've been using my trigger finger, which is plenty quick and requires a minimal shift of my firing grip.  The concern is that the trigger finger gets perilously close to the trigger while activating the mag release.  Yes, the mag release is behind the trigger, but the finger passes by the trigger while moving from an indexed position on the frame toward the mag release.

 

Two things mitigate the risk of an ND.  First, if it's an emergency reload, the chamber is empty.  Second, if it's a tactical reload, I should be able to take the time to be very deliberate and cautious in hitting the mag release.  Despite those factors, a part of me worries that it is only a matter of time before I slip up and press the trigger instead of the mag release.

 

How are you guys hitting the mag release?  Am I overthinking this, or is it worth altering how I do things?

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

Having a ton of time with the HK mag release and training a bunch of LEO's on them with several involved in field shootings, I have never seen a ND related to the magazine release being missed and the trigger hit.  If it is a worry, Aaron uses a technique in which his trigger finger goes to register and he uses his middle finger to release the magazine.

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I must have Gorilla hands. My shooting hand thumb can actually activate the magazine release. I use both my trigger finger and my thumb simultaneously to drop the magazine. 

 

 

 

Joined: 4-23-04                                          Location: SW Ohio

I want someone to make a mod for the slide release. I have to consiously remember to not have my thumb ride the slide, so the slide actually locks back, on the final round. That pisses me off..the only tragic flaw of this gun!

"It is simple....the job, and the system hate you, and you only have you and your fellow officers.......and many of them are questionable." 

It's not a flaw "of the gun".  Its a failure to adjust your grip to the tool you are using.  Many years ago I was able to shoot a Glock MUCH more efficiently when a wise old firearms instructor said "son, that ain't a 1911, quit holding it like one".  I run a high thumb on HK's because I have used USP's, and more current designs that have huge slide release levers that also make them one of the most positive slide releases out there for stress operation.  I look at this like getting a new vehicle or climbing into a rental car or my police unit back in the days when I was still working.  The handle that I needed to operate to exit the vehicle was often in different places.  Two choices, adapt and learn where the lever is in the vehicle I am in, or keep grabbing air and complaining about not being able to get out of every car like the car or truck that "I" like.  I wont even talk about windshield wiper switch placement.

 

Do not fall into the trap of trying to shot every single gun the same way.  I have a different grip for 1911's, revolvers, Glocks, HK's and SIG's.  If I spent a ton of time on the Beretta's Smith's or other guns, I would have to develop a means to operate those guns efficiently with my size hand on that gun.  Hand size will also be an issue.  Optimize your grip for you, not for what others are doing.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Originally Posted by BrooklynBacon:
I want someone to make a mod for the slide release. I have to consiously remember to not have my thumb ride the slide, so the slide actually locks back, on the final round. That pisses me off..the only tragic flaw of this gun!

I generally don't have a problem with this, although it has occurred a few times when I got sloppy with my grip.  I just ensure to keep my strong hand thumb slightly offset from the left side of the gun, then push down slightly on my support hand to ensure that thumb doesn't move.  This leaves enough of a gap to guarantee I will not keep the slide release depressed.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

I had this good news in an email after lunch from Safariland Customer Care in regards to duty holsters.

 

"The 6390, 6360, 6354, etclight bearing and non light bearing will be available next week."

Y'all got on this boat for different reasons, but y'all come to the same place. So now I'm asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin'. I aim to misbehave. - Capt. Mal

Nyeti, this is the explanation I have been looking for, Well put. I've been running a pair of VP9's for a bit now and have been annoyed that I've had to slightly change my grip so my slide locks back on empty regularly. When I get into my POV after shift I instinctively reach for the shifter on the column every once and a while but it's really not that big of a deal, adapt and overcome right? I have a different grip when I run my 1911's and this is no different. I found that large inserts all around have helped even though the mediums feel better in my hand.

As for the mag release I use the middle finger on the VP9 and my duty P2000 and find it very fast and I am able to keep a solid grip on the gun. My reloads have gotten faster and I have shaved over a second off my El Pres with the VP9 after switching from a M&P. If it weren't for having used a "regular" mag release for so long and loving 1911's I'd swear this might be a better system...

Joined: 13AUG2010         Location: Southern Arizona 

 The handle that I needed to operate to exit the vehicle was often in different places.  Two choices, adapt and learn where the lever is in the vehicle I am in, or keep grabbing air and complaining about not being able to get out of every car like the car or truck that "I" like.  I wont even talk about windshield wiper switch placement.

 

What a great analogy!

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There is a rumor going around from a pretty reputable source that my agency will be switching to 9MM and is looking hard at the VP9...this could be big!!! Also that our new holster will be the Safariland ALS, it's like they're in my head!

Joined: 13AUG2010         Location: Southern Arizona 

One of our patrol sergeants just journeyed to North Carolina to visit with a retired USMC sergeant major/retired employee of our S.O.

 

He was about halfway back to Maine (driving) when he got a text from the SgtMajor that said "look under your seat". 

 

The sarge pulls over, and discovers a new in box VP9 under his driver's seat. I'm just excited I'll get to play with one now after reading all the good shit you guys have posted about em!

 

 

 

 

Joined:      14 January 2010                Location:  MAINE

Originally Posted by ElbowsNC:

Has there been any word about an S or K model (ie. a more compact version) anywhere?  I'm still looking hard at the VP9, but it's a little bigger than I'd like to carry (scrawny guy, most guns print terribly on me).

 

Everything I've ever read, said that HK is working on a VP40 and then a VP45, compacts will be later on.. but don't read too much into that.. HK could surprise everyone and come out with a compact tomorrow.. Trying to guess what HK is going to do, is a lot like trying to predict the stock market.. 

 

I shot one of my partners' VP9 last night. Perhaps the most accurate striker-fired handgun I've ever shot. Period. I consider myself a "good" shooter. (Though you'll never see me in any Pantaeo videos). This gun makes me a great shooter. It is that damn good. The recoil and muzzle rise are almost non-existent compared to my G17. There were times were I was able to maintain the same sight picture as the slide cycled and this was reflected in round after round in the same hole at 3-5 yds. The trigger is about even (to me) with my G17. The only thing that would take getting used to would be the mag release, but my hand is big enough that there is no issue manipulating it with either my thumb or index finger. Given the design, it would be easier with weak hand manipulation. Although not aesthetically pleasing (looks like somebody went crazy milling out a Hi-Point or a Walther), I see a VP9 in my future...along with an all out campaign to get it authorized for duty carry. 

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Originally Posted by ElbowsNC:

Has there been any word about an S or K model (ie. a more compact version) anywhere?  I'm still looking hard at the VP9, but it's a little bigger than I'd like to carry (scrawny guy, most guns print terribly on me).

 

 

I wouldn't mind a VP9 with a shorter grip for concealed carry, say Glock 19 length, but the barrel length is fine. I'd actually be more interested in a long barrel VP9 than a compact model. That's just me though...

 

 

 

Joined: 10/16/10  Location: WA

No S or K variant of a VP9 but they just announced their new P30SK a couple hours ago.

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Originally Posted by steveg2:

Just as I was thinking on adding another VP9 to the armory. I wonder how long to a VP9SK?

 

 

God only knows, I'd guess at least a couple of years, Everything I've read suggests that HK is going to release a VP40, and then a VP45, followed by compacts and sub compacts.. So, I'd expect a long wait for a SK..

 

HK's US LE folks are also on board with knowing they have to get a sub compact VP9 in the mix ASAP.  A VP40 is coming soon mainly due to chasing contracts.  Those in the field servicing American LE and commercial markets do understand what is needed.  it is getting the top to make it a priority that is the same issue as we see within Mil/LE upper management.  How long was everyone both inside and outside of Glock screaming for a ten round slimmer long slide .45 ACP Glock (essentially a polymer 1911 like gun).  What did we get....the .45 GAP.  All of these companies have these issues.  Hopefully, HK will see the need to fast track a compact 9mm striker gun.

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