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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.

Canadians have been doing this since 1930's. Not so much in Afghan, some guys still do though.
I recently made some changes to the issued cover, mainly to regain the utility that I had with my painted helmet(ie..velcro and tie down points). I removed all of the IFF tabs, and also the Commo flap on the rear of the cover. I found (due to other LF'ers) a source for multicam loop velcro and had it placed along the left and right side, as well as the back. These points of loop allow me to mount my Drift innovation camera, and also an IR illuminator, and the rear panel is for an IR strobe. I also had a small piece of multicam webbing sew into a loop on the rear left side to act as an anchor point for my strobe and PVS-14's. This cover is very functional and also doesn't attract much attention from the FOBbits.. So far it works very well for me..

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Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.


1/22IN had this as a BN standard prior to OIF 05/07. I'm pretty sure it went away about the same time that 4ID got ACU's. I think their sister BN's are in 10MTN.

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Originally posted by squeak32:
Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.


I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.
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Originally posted by Shadow4Golf:
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.


1/22IN had this as a BN standard prior to OIF 05/07. I'm pretty sure it went away about the same time that 4ID got ACU's. I think their sister BN's are in 10MTN.

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Originally posted by squeak32:
Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.


I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


The M1 helmet (the steel one boy, I say the STEEL one) was painted (at production) with a gritty OD finish (always worn off and just spray painted over).

I have reproduced that with sand on a bump helmet.
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Originally posted by Shadow4Golf:
I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


I was afraid to hear that. Thanks for the reply, though. I'm still curious to whether or not a static type of netting (as opposed to dynamic and stretchy) would help by acting like rebar in concrete. I'd try it now myself but my TC2002 is +/-5 weeks out.
I personally would not want to add any more weight than necessary to my noggin. Seems to me like dried mud might add some substantial weight. Just food for thought.

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Originally posted by squeak32:
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Originally posted by Shadow4Golf:
I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


I was afraid to hear that. Thanks for the reply, though. I'm still curious to whether or not a static type of netting (as opposed to dynamic and stretchy) would help by acting like rebar in concrete. I'd try it now myself but my TC2002 is +/-5 weeks out.
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Originally posted by ODA 564:
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
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Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



Many many years ago when the 25th still had an (L) after it, we had a display in our Company area in front of the CQ desk that had some helmet covers like that. Other than A Trp, 3/4 Cav in the field a couple times, I never saw one modded and worn in that fashion.
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Originally posted by Awwbugman:
I personally would not want to add any more weight than necessary to my noggin. Seems to me like dried mud might add some substantial weight. Just food for thought.


That thought had crossed my mind and I agree that most things don't belong on your dome. I thought maybe just the thinnest layer of mud smeared on for some texture might be negligible but I guess not. Shadow4Golf may be able to chime in on the substantial weight gain to his LWH.

Moving along now. Sorry for derailing the thread, folks.
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Originally posted by ASSCHAPS:
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Originally posted by ODA 564:
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
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Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



Many many years ago when the 25th still had an (L) after it, we had a display in our Company area in front of the CQ desk that had some helmet covers like that. Other than A Trp, 3/4 Cav in the field a couple times, I never saw one modded and worn in that fashion.


Many years ago, they did it. I was in the 25ID from '93-'96 and we had to wear that crap. Right before I left, the new Division commander put an end to it, so fast, he might as well have ordered it at the change of command ceremony.

Bob
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Originally posted by ODA 564:
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
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Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



25th ID (L) did this too. Looked cool till shit got wet and heavy as hell.
I am authorized to paint my helmet and it is painted. But after I bought my own ACH I realized that I didn't want to throw money away by letting the helmet get damaged. So I modded an issue Multi-cam helmet cover and put it on over my cool guy painted helmet. I have found that I like it much better this way.









So I took the standard cover and removed the flap at the rear. Sewed PALS on the back for holding a Boo Boo pouch and added velcro onto the cover. additionally I routed bungie cord for secondary retention for my strobe.
Have been on the fence about painting or cover and was looking around the "interweb" when I came across this:

Add says it's "real" Crye material. Shipping from APO/FPO. Made? I thought a bit weird. Under $30.00. Sent a few questions to the dude.



Plenty of loop for whatever.



I like the pouch in the back as done by others. Some "old guy" around here once said that it is better to have usable counter weight like bullets on strips rather than dead weight useless lead.

For the price I went ahead and ordered one. Doing the guinea pig for the rest of us When it comes in and is tried out for fit and quality I'll post back.

ETA: Dude got back to me and says they are made in China with US materials Mad

If some LFer were to make these I'm sure they would sell like hot cakes, even at prices covering the material + American labor. Razz
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Virgil,

I will get some more pics for you. But what I did was pretty simple. The bungie for the strobe actually uses the holes in the cover for foliage and then crosses over the strobe and ties into the PALS for the Boo boo pouch.

Ateixeira

That Cover looks great I will be looking forward to the info you have on it once you recieve it. I think it might be a better base than the issue cover.
This is one of those "Foreign made from US components" helmet-covers.

It has foilage-loops and does what I wanted it to (protecting the helmet from abrasion and minimizing the sheen of the bare-helmet)
The tan-velcro that was originally on the cover did not stick very well; so adhesive-backed velcro was stuck to the helmet, and I cut the cover and melted the edges to prevent fraying. The V-Lites, Manta, and flags are attached directly to the helmet




Glin great looking cover let us know how it holds up.

Here are some more pics of the modifications I did to my helmet.


With the Blue Force Gear pouch attached at the back


This is a pic of the PALS grid and flap modification. It also shows the Bungie which runs through the ends of the PALS and has a toaster lock on one side and a knot on the oter for adjusting tension.

This shows where the bungie cord runs through the foliage loops under the velcro


Overall shot of the modifications to the cover.

Hope these help you guys get a better idea of what I did. As I mentioned before this cover is V1. I plan on making at least 2 more covers in the V2 version if you will one in MC and one in woodland.

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