Helmet Covers

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Originally posted by P-Hustle:
Where are you guys finding these covers? While they may not be super high-quality, helmet covers wear out anyways, so if they aren't too expensive it might warrant a purchase of a few.


I know that Tactical Tailor sells them. About $20 I think.

@Gene--that cover looks awesome!
Well done Gene...I'm digging the added security for your strobe the most...

On another note...my MICH is about to take a back seat to a TC2001, anyone know of source for covers for them?

VM's pics have inspired me...

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Glin,
where'd you find that?

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Originally posted by Glin1216:
This is one of those "Foreign made from US components" helmet-covers.

It has foilage-loops and does what I wanted it to (protecting the helmet from abrasion and minimizing the sheen of the bare-helmet)
The tan-velcro that was originally on the cover did not stick very well; so adhesive-backed velcro was stuck to the helmet, and I cut the cover and melted the edges to prevent fraying. The V-Lites, Manta, and flags are attached directly to the helmet

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Originally posted by paladyn:
Glin,
where'd you find that?


I scored it here:
www DOT tacticalairsoftsupply DOT com/shop/g-emerson-sp-multicam-cover.html

Airsofter kit, but this company is based out of the US. So far... it is holding up, but I have hardly put much abuse on it. Time will tell

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Originally posted by Virgil:
I'm really surprised that someone hasn't made an "updated" helmet cover when you consider how much of a IFF/Signal/Illumination/Eye Pro mounting tool the helmet has become.


Crye actually makes a MICH/ACH cover with more or less what you described..I have some pics floating around here somewhere on a buddies helmet. They aren't commercially available however...
I remember them making one at one time... haven't seen it for a minute.

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Crye does make a MICH/ACH cover but good luck getting your hands on one. They are not listed on the website and when I tried to buy one I was told that they didn't sell them. I am not 100% sure the girl new what I was talking about but she said they weren't for sale.

A quick review of the 2011 catalog doesn't show them.

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Paladyn, I've thought about ordering that cover to use on my Ops-Core, looked at ordering the MICH 2002 style. My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.

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184SFS,
I don't own the helmet cover in question. Glin does. That being said I do share the same concerns. If it priced fairly reasonably then in terms durability its not going to be as big of a concern, especially when the life expectancy of a helmet cover is generally a year or less.

A question that does come to mind is whether any of the Crye dealers here on LF would be willing to stock CP ACH/MICH helmet covers?

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Originally posted by 184SFS:
Paladyn, I've thought about ordering that cover to use on my Ops-Core, looked at ordering the MICH 2002 style. My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.

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paladyn,
Sorry, I meant to direct it @ glin....

So please Glin, chime in....I am also wondering how well the cover would fit around the Ops-Core NVG mount.

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Originally posted by 184SFS:
My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.


I'm only using mine for personal training-time (~2 outings a month) and one-weekend-a-month when in uniform (Armed Forces Reserve). So far I've got no issues with it, but it is still too early to form an accurate assessment.

If there was an identical US-made helmet-cover commercially available, I'd be using it.
In my eyes; a lot of the durability is attributed to the materials used in construction. I don't know the source of the mesh, but upon handling it myself it seems fairly robust (well... as robust as mesh can be). I was told the reinforced-cordura around the shroud is genuine Crye material and from comparing the cover to some genuine Crye Multicam articles I've got; this does appear to be the case.
As I mentioned previously, the tan-velcro that was originally attached (and subsequently removed by me) didn't hold worth a shit. The stitching looks good but looks alone are not an accurate assessment of durability. One of the most important components are the straps that attach the cover to the helmet. The manufacturer used black-velcro that holds much better than the aforementioned tan-velcro, and I did my own informal "stress test" on these straps (yanking on them with a substantial amount of force) with nary a busted-stitch.
They did cut some corners on some of the minute details (the excess material in the foilage-keepers were simply tucked away and stitched over, ends were not melted), but this is easily overlooked as it should have no effect on durability.
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Originally posted by paladyn:
That being said I do share the same concerns. If it priced fairly reasonably then in terms durability its not going to be as big of a concern, especially when the life expectancy of a helmet cover is generally a year or less.

I've always had good luck with my issued helmet-covers. Aside from some sordid-looking stains; all the helmet-covers I've used have shown few signs of wear. My noggin has rubbed up against many a mud-brick walls, bumped against some painfully sharp-edges inside an armored vehicle, and waded through what I would consider thick foilage. Even through all that... if you've got the cover on tight with no excess-material flopping about; I don't imagine the cover should get torn up very much at all.

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Originally posted by 184SFS:
I am also wondering how well the cover would fit around the Ops-Core NVG mount.

The shroud sits underneath the reinforced Multicam Cordura, and is sized accordingly to allow the interface-square to be completely exposed. I've got a Norotos shroud on my helmet and the interfacing square is the same size as the VAS. If you're running a FAST helmet; you'll probably need to place some holes into the cover to attach the bungees to your shroud.
A friend of mine is getting one of these covers for a TC2002 and is going to try attaching the cover to his FAST. He plans on removing the ARC rails, pulling the cover taut, strategically melting holes into the cover, and re-attaching the ARC rails through the mesh. I'm sure he'll chime in here with his findings.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by P-Hustle:
What happened to them? For the life of me I can't seem to figure out when helmet covers began to suck and painted helmets became the norm.../QUOTE]


Helmet covers make it easier to affix foliage to the helmet.
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Originally posted by CAGUY97th:
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Originally posted by RRTX:
Has anybody heard anything else from Ops Core on when their cover might be available? Last I heard was September but that has come and gone.


As a matter fact I sent a message to OPS CORE today about this exact subject. As soon as I hear something back I will post it.


I received a response back from Ops Core. They stated "we are finalizing the helmet cover and and we do not have a release date yet".
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I've been working on a Crye Mesh Helmet Cover for Mellon_Killer's TC2001, using Multicam Mesh and the new Multicam-printed Loop Velcro. Its taking me a bit longer due to having to figure out how much stretch to incorporate into my pattern since I've only got a Medium and Large CG634 Gallet.

I found the Hong Kong-made airsoft replicas on eBay for $14.24 with free shipping, for future use as a pattern.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ca...&hash=item2312f8d74a

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Snake doc,

Sorry I didn't get back to you quicker. Those rails come from Advanced Warfighter Solutions (AWS) in Fayetteville. There are very similar to the CSM gear ones.They consist of an aluminum strap with holes for mounting a plastic rail section or whatevery else you can come up.

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Originally posted by Ashy Larry:
What kind of bungees are those? They look different from the regular Ops Core ones.


Those appear to be factory Ops Core bungees that come with the ARC type rail. The hook portion of the bungee does look modified though.

That is a super nice helmet cover. Is anyone aware of a cover of that style for the ACH?

Rubber Bat,
If you have some free time I'm interested on how the cover attaches to the helmet. Does it attach with just bands of velcro like Issued covers?
Thanks

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Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Brad Trittipo:
Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html


I called First Spear last week to find out when they will have the ACH model for sale and was told they had just had the final model be produced. I was supposed to receive a photo of one but still haven't.

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Ashy: Far as I know they came with the helmet, though I did get the helmet in a trade so the previous owner may have swapped out the hooks. Though I don't know how... I'll try and ask him today. I like the ones that are on there though; they seem to have a greater range of utility than the hooks.

Bloody: There are four tabs like those in the issued covers, two front two back. There were velcro disks in place in the front, but the back left me with the option of adding velcro or punching holes in the tabs and putting the helmet hardware through them. I chose the latter and can snap a pic if you want it. I'm sure no finagling would have been required if I had the ballistic model, which this cover is designed to fit. Underneath the cover , there is a rectangular patch of hook side velcro on either side and a strip in the back where it attaches to the loop side on the helmet. Pretty secure all around.
Interesting.

God damn that is a nice helmet cover. I can't say that I appreciate the sorbet-esque multicam velcro very much...patterned velcro...Scoff.

Bourne,

If you ever receive that photo you know where to post it.

Rubber,

Thanks man, I get the gist, no need to take photos if it essentially functions like an Issue cover.

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Originally posted by bourneshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Brad Trittipo:
Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html


I called First Spear last week to find out when they will have the ACH model for sale and was told they had just had the final model be produced. I was supposed to receive a photo of one but still haven't.

What cut are the ACH covers for? I have a TC-2001 with Ops-Core rails I'd like to replace the Woodland cover on.
Alright dudes, this started as a test and wound up a new preference.

Issued ACH covers, Shoe goo, and you.
(A semi permanent solution)


For reference, here is my ACH setup before this modification.
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20707763#15920707763


Between reading this thread and the "Show your Fighting Loadout" thread extensively I began to detest my naked and painted ACH, for obvious reasons. It was time for changes.

I've been running an ACH for 6 years or so, and 4 of those years have been with an issued cover. Now, I've never had much trouble with Issue-style helmet covers, get the right size and take the time to don it correctly and it will stay tight and function well.
After a few years, helmet covers had started to irritate the shit out of me so I slapped some velcro on my ACH
However there were a few key preference based configurations that would be lost with the addition of a standard helmet cover.
- DIY with easily available materials,(IE. Issue helmet cover, cutting device, Shoe Goo) not dropping $80.00 and waiting for the mail (not like thats wrong)
- The nice and organized feel of a coverless helmet.
- Direct mounting of Velcro to helmet exterior/ not having to sew.
- Minimal wear/fraying/ snagging potential.

Direct velcro on helmet is an irrational personal preference on my end, because posts like Vet Medic's show me that velcro on helmet covers is not only possible, but possible with style (seen here) http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20142863#16120142863

Alas, I decided not to go out a buy tan velcro to sew onto my cover, mainly out of drunkenness.

Instead I wanted to keep my helmets Velcro configuration as is and work around it. This was an idea put in my head from a post by NORcalKilla in the 'Show your Fighting Loadout' thread.
This:
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20061763#96920061763


I decided that was the route I was going, but I would want to keep the cover as tight to the helmet as I possibly could. That was when it hit me.

Mother fuckin Shoe Goo.

Again, the idea was not original at all. It came from jcustisredux's post in this thread.
Here:
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20695763#24320695763

It was at this time that everything aligned in my head and it was time to make some modifications.



I started with a complete Issued style helmet cover w/ Commo flap. ACH and cover size are S/M.

The cover had 5 separate main sections to an issue cover.
1- Velcro attachment system at the base of the cover
2- Left side
3- Top Center
4- Right side
5- Commo flap

The only pieces needed to do this Mod are 2, 3, and 4.



I removed the commo flap and kept it…imagining that I may use it again some day.

I cut the seams that attached the velcro straps to the bottom of the cover, being careful not to cut the cover itself.

I then cut the two main seams that attached the left, top center, and right of the cover to each other, again, being careful not to cut the cover itself.

I now have my the three sections (As seen above) that will become my new cover.



Take time to line everything up and get a mental picture of how you'll be applying your cover pieces. Shoe Goo starts to "tack" up with in 10 minuets.

It is necessary to spread out the Shoe Goo and to be able to adjust the position of the cover section while the goo is still wet. Be sure to work out any lumps or wrinkles while the goo is still wet.



Apply Shoe goo directly to helmet in streaks, such as above.
Its pretty common sense type shit, I applied a thicker portion of Shoe Goo to bendy areas of the ACH such as the "Ear Flare" portions of the helmet.



Be sure to leave about an inch of cloth hanging around the base of the helmet so that later you can come back and shoe goo it into place.



Once the edges have been gooed down and harden up, you can come back with a razor blade and slice away any extra material.

For the edge sections I used a significant amount of shoe goo to ensure proper adherence and added edge protection of the shoe goo. Its tough stuff!



As you can see I placed my cover material right over my velcro sections. I left about an inch of Shoe goo-free "play room" around the velcro panel so that I could come back with a razor blade and carefully and precisely cut out the section to expose my velcro.

All cutting of material as shown above is done once the shoe goo has stiffened up enough not to effect placement. (About 20 minuets)



Once you have cut away unwanted material, you will see why that Inch of shoe goo-free "play room" comes in handy.
Now you can gently apply small amounts of shoe goo in these small edges by taking a dental pick or similar tool and peeling back the loose edging around the velcro panel.
I used a small "paddle shaped" dental pick to apply the shoe goo in these confined spaces.

This is the method I used for all corners and edges on the helmet. I left a nice and workable inch of space at every corner so that I could go back with my pick and small amounts of shoe goo and really give the cover a professional look.

It is important to seal up all edges like this both for longevity, and appearance.


Along the top center seam lines I applied a light bead of shoe goo, and spread it with my finger so that it would overlap 1/2'' of the cover, and 1/2'' of the helmet shell. A nice tough, water resistant weld. I recommend this.

Now I've got the left and right sections of the helmet cover attached, cut, and edges sealed the way I want them.

Time to do the center.



I took my center portion and cut it straight down the middle using the cover loops as reference. I also removed the square remainder of the Comms flap so tha the front and rear of the section were both square and even.



I did the center one half section at a time. I had to angle each section of material inward in order to keep appearance symmetrical while overlapping cover material and covering the helmet shell entirely up to my NVG Mount.

Again, it is very important to leave excess material alone until you have the material partially adhered to the helmet and can see exactly how it will line up.

As you can see, I have my NVG mount limits traced out in pencil on the helmet shell.



Cut out what you need to cut out.
I couldn't decide if I wanted to entirely cover the helmet and mount my hardware over the cover. In the end I simply cut around everything.



Now I have half of my top section adhered, cut up, and sealed up. Again, I used a razor blade to cut a straight line along the "mohawk" section of velcro. I had about an inch or goo-free "play room" so that I could glue everything down tight.
All thats left now is to line up the other half of the top section, trim evenly, and seal up your edges.



Here is the completed product. Once I had all sections firmly in place and dimensions cut I added the finishing touches. Since I overlapped my material I once again had to seal up the top edges.


Shine issue

Here is a picture under direct light from earlier in the project for demonstration purposes. You can clearly see the lines of shoe goo in this picture. This is because Shoe goo is shiny once it cures. A simple light dusting of flat spray paint seems to help the shine go away.



A few more shots. Note the tan color of my shoe goo seams. (Krylon tan)


A close up of the painted seams.


I would love to get some points of view and questions on this.

I will come back with an AAR on this once I've put some time in beating this thing up.

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The only problem I have with that is that until the Corps goes with a solid PPE color, we are stuck reversing our helmet covers. There are times when wearing green cammies and a desert helmet cover will make you stand out in a crowd. This is just my experience from Helmand, but there are plenty of times where we can go day to day from deserts to greens. For Army, I'm digging it.

Common sense: so goddam rare, it should be a super power.

I recieved my First Spear Fast helmet cover today, Incredible product, Fit was exact.

A little history, I bought an Ops Core Fast Base Jump Helmet and thought about Getting a Hydrodip finish (A-TACS FG) done to it. Since First Spear brought out thier Fast Helmet covers, I figured why not, Pictures I've seen looked good, so I pulled the trigger, not dissappointed at all.

I went on line last Sunday night, Ordered a Folliage Green cover for a M/L Base Jump. They sent a Folliage Green cover for a SM/M Fast(Made sense, since the SM/M Fast is about the same size as a M/L Base Jump), cover went on like a dream, simple install.







I will be ordering another in camo, I hope they do one in A-TACS FG.
I got mine for my FAST ballistic as well, fits like a glove and very easy to put on.

The only thing I wish they had added as at least an option, are elastic loops or paracord loops for vegetation/scrim/burlap etc for camouflage.

I am gonna do my own mod for that.





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I do believe their Hybrid version covers that contingency, Arctic1.

I finally got off my ass and ordered one for mine, along with some goggle retention clips.

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I'm not running a strobe on my cover, but i do have a 1# weight bag on the back and its not going anywhere, the cover is very tight and secure when mounted on the helmet. There is Velcro hook material on the inside of the cover that is the same size as the velcro on the sides and back of the helmet and with the stretch material of the cover anything attached to the cover would be held as secure as it would be to the helmet without the cover.

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