What happened to them? For the life of me I can't seem to figure out when helmet covers began to suck and painted helmets became the norm...

I'm in a unit where painted helmets are approved, but will always use a cover (especially MC or another working pattern). Covers tend to soften edges and reduce any glare, while painted helmets (while looking cool) seem to do neither. And yet every outfit I meet who can get away with it, for some reason, always seems to go with the lesser choice. I know CDI factor is important, but I almost refuse to believe that such a shallow reason is so rampant. Almost.

I had a Batt Boy tell me at a school last summer that his unit was having great luck at night in Afghan with the dark grey paint scheme he was using. From 15 feet away, it looked like a solid black dot, and frankly had not one ounce of camouflage capability. But damn did it look badass., very "Punisher-esque". I also wanted to ask him if Afghan night was so different than Iraqi night, or even Georgia night, that it warranted it's own paint scheme, but I bit my tongue.

So school me. Am I missing something here?

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I think the pendulum is swinging back towards helmet covers.

Funny you should mention the Batt Boy as Ranger Battalion has switched back to helmet covers, they are using multicam ones made by Crye I believe. Without going into too much detail, I was told the switch was made primarily because of the helmets appearance under NVGs.

Ops-Core and Crye, who probably make the best helmets today, both carry helmet covers albeit ones that have been redesigned. Something to think about.
The why: helmet covers suck. Plain and simple. They fit like crap, slide around, make your head look twice as big. And you can't hang all that cool velcro with a cover. BUT, they do all those things that were originally mentioned. Soften the edges is a very true statement. Soften the sound too against vehicles, structures etc. I've yet to see one on a Ops-core though. I too have heard they exist. Some cohorts of mine would be interested in their covers.
Maybe go with a split-the-difference approach?

I've always had the helmet cover as nothing else was allowed, but if you've already got velcro stuck all over a helmet, something along the lines of a cross between a ghillie headnet and the Israeli "chef hat" approach, velcro 2-3 places on the helmet and slap on a cover that breaks up the helmet shape and color, but is easily removable in a hurry and allows use of other accessories (NODs, lights, etc) in their own locations without requiring all the pain-in-the-ass stuff adding and removing it all and cover would imply?

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I too have recently had this thought. Bvt's reply is the best I have seen in response. I have seen the Crye Covers, but dont know how popular they are in country though. I've not seen any in the AOs I've been in personally.

The tan thing, your exactly right. Guys dont have a reason for it, just that some SF guy was wearing it (nevermind thats what they are issued). I think MC would be ideal in 9/10 circumstances and MARPATs certainly got fewer disadvantages than ACU pattern does. The only reason I went Tan on my gear is because its commonly accepted in my unit and MC is not issued out or accepted in most circles.

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I've played with the Crye covers (they rock), and although I wasn't aware of Ops-Core making any, I am unsurprised. I'm damn glad to hear the Regiment is going in the right direction.

The cover on my ACH is tight as a drum, so much so that the loop side Velcro I have Shoo-Goo'd to it holds perfectly well, as do the IR strobes and IR patches that reside on it. When I used to wear MARPAT on a regular basis, my helmet cover, while not bedecked in such a fashion, could easily have worked just as well.

So whats the lesson here? Should a guy reading this thread take a second look at his high speed paint job and reconsider? Or do we now fight in such a manner that this kind of topic is almost moot?

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Damn, I just replied on the AirFrame thread about this...my bad Mods.

I know from my experience that painted helmets arent about the CDI factor, its about utility. I use my helmet as another place to store shit i.e. strobe, SWD goggles, NVDs and batteries. Throw a helmet cover on there and the utility factor is gone. Well i guess you could still use it but it would cost $50 at the alterations shop to get all the velcro sewn on. With a $5 ACU velcro repair kit and some shoe goo your helmet can hold all the crap that you need to stick to it.

Being an AF dude supporting the Army I have to paint my helmet ACU pattern to not get sniped. Dont worry about all the antennas, thats besides the point. I have an Ops-Core and they dont make covers for those until later this year. So I am stuck painting the damn thing before every deployment. But as soon as the cover for the FAST comes on the market it is mine. Mainly because being different means being targeted and everyone is right, no matter what color you paint it, the helmet will still shine.

With that being said if you have a regular MICH, best cover I have seen is the S.O.D helmet cover. It already comes sewn with a back pocket for counter-weight/battery pack, velcro on top for strobes and velcro on the side for SWD goggles. Plus they have tie downs for NVDs, if it fit on the FAST i would be all over it. A little pricey at 50 euro but you wont look different.S.O.D helmet cover

Anyone with a Crye AirFrame tried to fit that cover on the FAST? I know they are different helmets but the Crye cover is one peice. I dont want to spend $45 on an experiment...im cheap.

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That SOD cover looks decent, but probably won't work with the ARC. The Crye mesh helmet cover is an interesting concept, one that should be explored more. Instead of installing the helmet cover and installing all the accessories over the top of it (I can never get the cover to look just right with the NODs mount, its always scrunched), why not install all accessories on the helmet, cut the cover to fit around the accessories, and then fasten it with velcro? I might try this with the ACU cover.

And why do I buy coyote gear instead of ACU or MC? The Army can't make its mind up about patterns, and I'm not buying 2 of the same rig just so I can make sure it matches. Isn't color-coordination an airsoft trait?

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The why: helmet covers suck. Plain and simple. They fit like crap, slide around, make your head look twice as big. And you can't hang all that cool velcro with a cover.


I can't see any reason the velcro can't be sewn onto the helmet cover in the same way it was glued onto the helmet. And the accessories that attach using screws could be used just by punching/cutting a hole in the cover or by cutting away that portion of the cover.

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I can never get the cover to look just right with the NODs mount, its always scrunched

Perfect. Why do you want your camo cover to look "right" or "good". It should look like shit so that it can work as camo in the field.

I do think that we could stand to issue a solid color cover so guys don't have to change out all their shit when they change uniforms. That's my one argument against the helmet cover.

I've been playing with adhesive cloth tape placed between the velcro patches and it seems to be doing the trick for taking the shine off.

 

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I don't think you would want a helmet cover in only one color.

The head and shoulders are the most easily recognized feature on a human. This "picture" is deeply ingrained in our minds for various reasons. The profile of the head needs to be broken up by using a disruptive pattern.

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This is a good topic. Our detachment just painted and velcroed our helmets but a couple of us had velcro sewn onto our covers. Last deployment we painted our helmets and never wore a cover. I didn't find anything wrong with it nor was I targeted (that I know of) for standing out or being shiny.

I see the covers being used for snipers, recon, etc...but a patrol of 8-15 dudes in the mtns of a-stan...or even in a village or whatever, helmet covers? really?

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I don't think you would want a helmet cover in only one color.

The head and shoulders are the most easily recognized feature on a human. This "picture" is deeply ingrained in our minds for various reasons. The profile of the head needs to be broken up by using a disruptive pattern.

Ideally, yes, and the guys in Afghanistan that get to wear a real camouflage pattern should wear a matching cover. I guess I meant that more for guys that couldn't count on their uniform being the same all the time and that aren't currently using helmet covers.

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Last deployment we painted our helmets and never wore a cover. I didn't find anything wrong with it nor was I targeted (that I know of) for standing out or being shiny.

I see the covers being used for snipers, recon, etc...but a patrol of 8-15 dudes in the mtns of a-stan...or even in a village or whatever, helmet covers? really?

Yeah. Really.

There's a lot you can get away with in terms of camouflage when you're not trying to hide from anyone. The trend of ditching the helmet cover in favor of velcro and krylon stems from guys who's helmet would have been the last thing to give them away.

We've gotten away from the basics.

If I'm serious about not being seen, I'm probably not wearing a helmet--or the godawful ACU pattern. But there's no reason to knowingly violate principles of camouflage on a dismounted patrol, especially when there's an easy fix. Shine on any object will be seen before its color.

 

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I have helmet covers with about a 4x4 (maybe smaller,i dont know for sure) swatch of loop velcro sewn on.

The cover holds tight, velcro on the helmet I had on there kinda holds the cover in place a bit I guess, and have had no prob velcroing shit on when I need it,or to look cool Razz
I tried the painted helmet thing for a while. It never clicked with me. This winter I ordered a Multicam MICH cover from Tactical Tailor. When it came I just dismounted all the accessories, installed the cover and used my knife tip to poke hole where the various bolts needed to penetrate. I then mounted the accessories back up and went to work. No real drama, the cover fits snugly everywhere it should, and the whole package is now more functional.

I am a believer in the utility of covers.
For those of you in the Corps who wear a MICH/ACH, the standard reversible MARPAT cover in Sm/Md fits fine on a large helmet. Look at the Down Range Gear Goggle Retainers. They work in to the slots in the cover to hold all the things you strap to it. Take Shoe-Goo and glue Velcro on to the cover where you need it. The only thing I have on there is a V-lite strobe. I'm not high speed so I don't need anything else.

Common sense: so goddam rare, it should be a super power.

Does anyone know if Crye makes a mesh helmet cover that would fit an ACH/MICH?

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Originally posted by driftevolution:
That SOD cover looks decent, but probably won't work with the ARC. The Crye mesh helmet cover is an interesting concept, one that should be explored more. Instead of installing the helmet cover and installing all the accessories over the top of it (I can never get the cover to look just right with the NODs mount, its always scrunched), why not install all accessories on the helmet, cut the cover to fit around the accessories, and then fasten it with velcro? I might try this with the ACU cover.

And why do I buy coyote gear instead of ACU or MC? The Army can't make its mind up about patterns, and I'm not buying 2 of the same rig just so I can make sure it matches. Isn't color-coordination an airsoft trait?

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Originally posted by Ian0369:
For those of you in the Corps who wear a MICH/ACH, the standard reversible MARPAT cover in Sm/Md fits fine on a large helmet. Look at the Down Range Gear Goggle Retainers. They work in to the slots in the cover to hold all the things you strap to it. Take Shoe-Goo and glue Velcro on to the cover where you need it. I'm not high speed so I don't need anything else.


I have an M/L cover on my Large MICH.
I modded it myself with the interior Velcro attachments and sewed some Velcro on as well.
I'm not really attaching anything heavy to the helmet cover though.
A Firefly strobe is probably the biggest.

Tactical Tailor or any shop that does gear modification can easily do it.

IIRC VolBlind makes, or used to, a reversible marpat MICH cover for both 1-hole and 3-hole helmets.
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For those of you in the Corps who wear a MICH/ACH, the standard reversible MARPAT cover in Sm/Md fits fine on a large helmet. Look at the Down Range Gear Goggle Retainers. They work in to the slots in the cover to hold all the things you strap to it. Take Shoe-Goo and glue Velcro on to the cover where you need it. The only thing I have on there is a V-lite strobe. I'm not high speed so I don't need anything else.


Are the personal purchases or unit issue? Just wondering cause I have seen a couple of guys wearing them (our battalion gunner included).
Searched, but hadn't found.

Does any company make something similar to this:


This one is made for airosfters, but I like the idea (copy of crye helmet cover?).

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I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.

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They make them for all cuts of MICH helmets (00,01,02), but I won't trust them...

I don't want to post links to airsoft sites, but search for "Ebairsoft"...

I actually have helmet cover with pieces of camo netting, but will prefer something similar to this

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I am TDY so my reference books are unavailable, but.

The Marine Corps first issued helmet covers (frog pattern) in 1943.
That pattern remained in use throught the late 50's when the so called Mitchell Pattern entered the system, and then in the 70's with Woodland.
The Marine Corps issued Dig woodland reversable to Dig Desert for the MICH to Det 1 in 2003

The Army did not issue helmet covers in WW2 but did use two types of netting (wide mesh and small mesh).
During the Korean conflict some Army units used burlap (think the old sandbags) over the helmet, but they went to the Mitchell Pattern in the late 50's as well.

I received my first Crye made MultiCam MICH cover circa 2004.

Re the AirFrame camo cover. Cry makes these. As RgrGordo stated in a previous AirFrame thread, it will not fit the Ops-Core helmet.
Crye- and not OpsCore- will make the helmet cover for OpsCore.

The helmet cover cuts down on shine, something some Euros figured out in WW1. The Germans and Japanese had cloth covers as well, though not universally.

Helmet covers will once more be standard soon, and across the board.
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I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.
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The Marine Corps used to use scrim to break up the helmet and during OIF I many Marines used small peices of camo net zip tied on to their helmets to replicate this. It has since "gone out of style". I only did that to my helmet a few times but unless its done carefuly I could see it interfearing with NVG mounts (you would just have to keep it short in the front) and potentaly being a fire or drip hazard (depending on what you used). I think its a great idea depending on what type of operation you are doing. Idealy it would be a quickly detachable system, where you could put it on your helmet in the ambush or defense position and take it off when moving so it wouldn't get caught on things?

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I found that camo net draped over the helmet tended to be snagged by branches. The post above mentioning a melt/drip hazard makes a good point. I found it was most effective to shred the camo scrim and thread it through the slits in the cover to allow the ends to hang out. It still changed the sillouhette, but eliminated the snag hazard.

I've been issued covered, painted, and (used)painted with velcro helmets. I admit, when I got the paint/velcro, I thought I'd look like an idiot airsofter, but soon came to appreciate the utility.

That said, I think the idea of a cover with some velcro sewn in the right places is probably the best way to go.

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On a med float in the mid 90's (i think), the BN SOP or at least the CO SOP was to have a piece of old cammie netting on the helmet.

When we started doing the work ups the word came down from the ACE that the cammie netting was a no go because it tended to get blown off the helmet during helo ops and was a FOD hazard. I dont know if there was an incident or if they were being proactive but I dont remember seeing camie netting on helmets after that.
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Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.

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Well i'm not trying to look like an airsofter, thats for sure. The problem with waiting on the Crye cover for the Ops-Core is that it is taking too long. Obviously the Crye cover for the AirFrame and the Ops-Core is super sexy, functional and made well, the problem is that they arent on sale yet and who knows when they will be. So if I can get the one listed above and modify it then that will be a working solution until someone starts selling an Ops-Core cover. Thanks for the info, if I get it to work will post pictures

Fanny
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.
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A heads up, ACH covers can be modded to fit an OPS core helmet (in my case a base jump) (my cover fit a Med ACH and fits my M/L Ops Core)

I bought my ACH off an airsofter and it came with a fake crye printed cover that I replaced with a legit ACU cover- With 20 minutes of spare time I managed to get it cut down to fit another 20 mins to hand sew the velcro patches on the inside of the cover (the machine's needle didn't like getting gummed up with the adhesive on the back of my velcro)

The helmet itself only required two new patches of loop velcro on either side of the NODs mount because of the pre-existing velcro on it-

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I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.

Canadians have been doing this since 1930's. Not so much in Afghan, some guys still do though.

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This thread needs more pics! Big Grin


Thread is useless without more pictures and links.
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Well here's another picture to add to the thread.



I posted a couple of my painted one in the other thread so I figured I should post the long haired brother in this on lol.
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I would like to know when these will be available.



It is pretty odd that no-one is selling them seeing as how popular the fast helmets are.

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WC/DCU mich cover, cut to fit and added wc trim.

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I've posted this here on a different thread, but this was a reversible MARPAT cover that I cut down, shoe-goo'd, adjusted, and shoe-goo'd some more to fit this oddly-shaped CVC helmet. It just takes a little time and imagination. This is some of the fieldcraft stuff we are losing these days.

I even glued the velcro for the lip light battery pack on the back too.

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You could do heart surgery with shoe goo - or at least rig cut-down panels of a sea bag onto the front of a blouse and trousers to make a ghillie.

Yeah, it does about anything. And yeah, that's a glove tip. Good eye. i don't think I meant to do that on purpose though.

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I recently made some changes to the issued cover, mainly to regain the utility that I had with my painted helmet(ie..velcro and tie down points). I removed all of the IFF tabs, and also the Commo flap on the rear of the cover. I found (due to other LF'ers) a source for multicam loop velcro and had it placed along the left and right side, as well as the back. These points of loop allow me to mount my Drift innovation camera, and also an IR illuminator, and the rear panel is for an IR strobe. I also had a small piece of multicam webbing sew into a loop on the rear left side to act as an anchor point for my strobe and PVS-14's. This cover is very functional and also doesn't attract much attention from the FOBbits.. So far it works very well for me..

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Mossy Oak dusted with tan Krylon. A few months of playing with this and I still like it. Started out as a joke. It's starting to peel off, so next time I'll put down some spray adhesive first. Or I'll just put a cover on it.

 

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here is my CF helmet. i dont currently have NODS or anything, so nothign like that is hooked up.

i typically either run the plain CADPAT helmet cover, and throw on the Hooah hair for when its required.



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Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.

Brendan

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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.


1/22IN had this as a BN standard prior to OIF 05/07. I'm pretty sure it went away about the same time that 4ID got ACU's. I think their sister BN's are in 10MTN.

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Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.


I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.

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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
I wasn't saying we were the first to wear camo netting on our helmets. Shit, we wore burlap strips in our helmet covers in basic training. In recent history though, as in the last few years, we were the only ones I know of that it was the SOP both on deployment and in garrison. I'm just saying that if you see a picture of Soldiers in Afghanistan wearing camo netting on their helmet then it is a very good chance they are 3rd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division.


1/22IN had this as a BN standard prior to OIF 05/07. I'm pretty sure it went away about the same time that 4ID got ACU's. I think their sister BN's are in 10MTN.

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Originally posted by squeak32:
Just curious, for those who've fought in OEF / GWI,II / other sandy shite holes of the world; has anyone tried dipping their helmet with or without a cover in mud and waited for it to dry out? It seems like a thin layer (just enough for some texture) of dried mud would go a long way in camouflaging your helmet.
Depending on the viscosity/consistency of the mud, I presume it'd break off in no time with heat and movement once it dries. Perhaps applying the mud on some netting could help keep it in place?
Am I talking nonsense and missing some angle of the concept (SOP's, etc)? Thanks.


I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


The M1 helmet (the steel one boy, I say the STEEL one) was painted (at production) with a gritty OD finish (always worn off and just spray painted over).

I have reproduced that with sand on a bump helmet.

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I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


I was afraid to hear that. Thanks for the reply, though. I'm still curious to whether or not a static type of netting (as opposed to dynamic and stretchy) would help by acting like rebar in concrete. I'd try it now myself but my TC2002 is +/-5 weeks out.

Brendan

I personally would not want to add any more weight than necessary to my noggin. Seems to me like dried mud might add some substantial weight. Just food for thought.

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Originally posted by Shadow4Golf:
I did this on a whim at Ft Polk back in 90 with a PASGT helmet/cloth cover. It didn't stay. As the mud dried, which was slowly considering it was late November, it would flake off.


I was afraid to hear that. Thanks for the reply, though. I'm still curious to whether or not a static type of netting (as opposed to dynamic and stretchy) would help by acting like rebar in concrete. I'd try it now myself but my TC2002 is +/-5 weeks out.

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Originally posted by ODA 564:
quote:
Originally posted by sparky-kb:
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Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



Many many years ago when the 25th still had an (L) after it, we had a display in our Company area in front of the CQ desk that had some helmet covers like that. Other than A Trp, 3/4 Cav in the field a couple times, I never saw one modded and worn in that fashion.
quote:
Originally posted by Awwbugman:
I personally would not want to add any more weight than necessary to my noggin. Seems to me like dried mud might add some substantial weight. Just food for thought.


That thought had crossed my mind and I agree that most things don't belong on your dome. I thought maybe just the thinnest layer of mud smeared on for some texture might be negligible but I guess not. Shadow4Golf may be able to chime in on the substantial weight gain to his LWH.

Moving along now. Sorry for derailing the thread, folks.

Brendan

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Originally posted by ASSCHAPS:
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Originally posted by ODA 564:
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Originally posted by sparky-kb:
quote:
Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



Many many years ago when the 25th still had an (L) after it, we had a display in our Company area in front of the CQ desk that had some helmet covers like that. Other than A Trp, 3/4 Cav in the field a couple times, I never saw one modded and worn in that fashion.


Many years ago, they did it. I was in the 25ID from '93-'96 and we had to wear that crap. Right before I left, the new Division commander put an end to it, so fast, he might as well have ordered it at the change of command ceremony.

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quote:
Originally posted by ODA 564:
quote:
Originally posted by sparky-kb:
quote:
Originally posted by em_twofourzero:
I always liked the way some units from the U.S. Army (pretty sure from the 101st) and Marine Corps covered their helmets with camo netting. Never done it myself, but in a place like Afghanistan, I'd think it'd be at least somewhat effective.


Slight sidetrack to the discussion.....

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of 10th Mountain. My old battalion, 1-32, started doing doing that in 2006 and now the entire 3rd Brigade wears that netting cause our old battalion Sergeant Major is now the Brigade Sergeant Major. The 173rd guys that replaced us started wearing it too, at least on that rotation. I'm sure there are other units that do it too on a case by case basis but I don't recall seeing any that it is SOP Brigade wide for other than 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain.


The "Lightfighters" of the 7th ID (L) were doing that in the 1980s.



25th ID (L) did this too. Looked cool till shit got wet and heavy as hell.

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I am authorized to paint my helmet and it is painted. But after I bought my own ACH I realized that I didn't want to throw money away by letting the helmet get damaged. So I modded an issue Multi-cam helmet cover and put it on over my cool guy painted helmet. I have found that I like it much better this way.









So I took the standard cover and removed the flap at the rear. Sewed PALS on the back for holding a Boo Boo pouch and added velcro onto the cover. additionally I routed bungie cord for secondary retention for my strobe.

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Thanks brother. This thread is what pushed me over the edge to do it. I am contemplating cranking out a woodland one too.

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Vet Medic- Any way you can give a description of how everything fits in place and what you did?

Is that bungee along the strobe?

I'm really surprised that someone hasn't made an "updated" helmet cover when you consider how much of a IFF/Signal/Illumination/Eye Pro mounting tool the helmet has become.

Cheers, Matt

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Have been on the fence about painting or cover and was looking around the "interweb" when I came across this:

Add says it's "real" Crye material. Shipping from APO/FPO. Made? I thought a bit weird. Under $30.00. Sent a few questions to the dude.



Plenty of loop for whatever.



I like the pouch in the back as done by others. Some "old guy" around here once said that it is better to have usable counter weight like bullets on strips rather than dead weight useless lead.

For the price I went ahead and ordered one. Doing the guinea pig for the rest of us When it comes in and is tried out for fit and quality I'll post back.

ETA: Dude got back to me and says they are made in China with US materials Mad

If some LFer were to make these I'm sure they would sell like hot cakes, even at prices covering the material + American labor. Razz

 

 

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Originally posted by RRTX:
Has anybody heard anything else from Ops Core on when their cover might be available? Last I heard was September but that has come and gone.


As a matter fact I sent a message to OPS CORE today about this exact subject. As soon as I hear something back I will post it.
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Virgil,

I will get some more pics for you. But what I did was pretty simple. The bungie for the strobe actually uses the holes in the cover for foliage and then crosses over the strobe and ties into the PALS for the Boo boo pouch.

Ateixeira

That Cover looks great I will be looking forward to the info you have on it once you recieve it. I think it might be a better base than the issue cover.

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This is one of those "Foreign made from US components" helmet-covers.

It has foilage-loops and does what I wanted it to (protecting the helmet from abrasion and minimizing the sheen of the bare-helmet)
The tan-velcro that was originally on the cover did not stick very well; so adhesive-backed velcro was stuck to the helmet, and I cut the cover and melted the edges to prevent fraying. The V-Lites, Manta, and flags are attached directly to the helmet




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Glin great looking cover let us know how it holds up.

Here are some more pics of the modifications I did to my helmet.


With the Blue Force Gear pouch attached at the back


This is a pic of the PALS grid and flap modification. It also shows the Bungie which runs through the ends of the PALS and has a toaster lock on one side and a knot on the oter for adjusting tension.

This shows where the bungie cord runs through the foliage loops under the velcro


Overall shot of the modifications to the cover.

Hope these help you guys get a better idea of what I did. As I mentioned before this cover is V1. I plan on making at least 2 more covers in the V2 version if you will one in MC and one in woodland.

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Where are you guys finding these covers? While they may not be super high-quality, helmet covers wear out anyways, so if they aren't too expensive it might warrant a purchase of a few.

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quote:
Originally posted by P-Hustle:
Where are you guys finding these covers? While they may not be super high-quality, helmet covers wear out anyways, so if they aren't too expensive it might warrant a purchase of a few.


I know that Tactical Tailor sells them. About $20 I think.

@Gene--that cover looks awesome!
Well done Gene...I'm digging the added security for your strobe the most...

On another note...my MICH is about to take a back seat to a TC2001, anyone know of source for covers for them?

VM's pics have inspired me...

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Glin,
where'd you find that?

quote:
Originally posted by Glin1216:
This is one of those "Foreign made from US components" helmet-covers.

It has foilage-loops and does what I wanted it to (protecting the helmet from abrasion and minimizing the sheen of the bare-helmet)
The tan-velcro that was originally on the cover did not stick very well; so adhesive-backed velcro was stuck to the helmet, and I cut the cover and melted the edges to prevent fraying. The V-Lites, Manta, and flags are attached directly to the helmet

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quote:
Originally posted by paladyn:
Glin,
where'd you find that?


I scored it here:
www DOT tacticalairsoftsupply DOT com/shop/g-emerson-sp-multicam-cover.html

Airsofter kit, but this company is based out of the US. So far... it is holding up, but I have hardly put much abuse on it. Time will tell

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quote:
Originally posted by Virgil:
I'm really surprised that someone hasn't made an "updated" helmet cover when you consider how much of a IFF/Signal/Illumination/Eye Pro mounting tool the helmet has become.


Crye actually makes a MICH/ACH cover with more or less what you described..I have some pics floating around here somewhere on a buddies helmet. They aren't commercially available however...
I remember them making one at one time... haven't seen it for a minute.

Cheers, Matt

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Crye does make a MICH/ACH cover but good luck getting your hands on one. They are not listed on the website and when I tried to buy one I was told that they didn't sell them. I am not 100% sure the girl new what I was talking about but she said they weren't for sale.

A quick review of the 2011 catalog doesn't show them.

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Paladyn, I've thought about ordering that cover to use on my Ops-Core, looked at ordering the MICH 2002 style. My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.

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184SFS,
I don't own the helmet cover in question. Glin does. That being said I do share the same concerns. If it priced fairly reasonably then in terms durability its not going to be as big of a concern, especially when the life expectancy of a helmet cover is generally a year or less.

A question that does come to mind is whether any of the Crye dealers here on LF would be willing to stock CP ACH/MICH helmet covers?

quote:
Originally posted by 184SFS:
Paladyn, I've thought about ordering that cover to use on my Ops-Core, looked at ordering the MICH 2002 style. My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.

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paladyn,
Sorry, I meant to direct it @ glin....

So please Glin, chime in....I am also wondering how well the cover would fit around the Ops-Core NVG mount.

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quote:
Originally posted by 184SFS:
My concern is the quality, how would it hold up being used the the brush where it gets snagged etc. If you don't mind me asking what do you use the helmet for & how often etc...My Ops-Core is used for Law Enforcement & Training. Cover will be used for operations working with the local game warden....so it will be in the bush.


I'm only using mine for personal training-time (~2 outings a month) and one-weekend-a-month when in uniform (Armed Forces Reserve). So far I've got no issues with it, but it is still too early to form an accurate assessment.

If there was an identical US-made helmet-cover commercially available, I'd be using it.
In my eyes; a lot of the durability is attributed to the materials used in construction. I don't know the source of the mesh, but upon handling it myself it seems fairly robust (well... as robust as mesh can be). I was told the reinforced-cordura around the shroud is genuine Crye material and from comparing the cover to some genuine Crye Multicam articles I've got; this does appear to be the case.
As I mentioned previously, the tan-velcro that was originally attached (and subsequently removed by me) didn't hold worth a shit. The stitching looks good but looks alone are not an accurate assessment of durability. One of the most important components are the straps that attach the cover to the helmet. The manufacturer used black-velcro that holds much better than the aforementioned tan-velcro, and I did my own informal "stress test" on these straps (yanking on them with a substantial amount of force) with nary a busted-stitch.
They did cut some corners on some of the minute details (the excess material in the foilage-keepers were simply tucked away and stitched over, ends were not melted), but this is easily overlooked as it should have no effect on durability.
quote:
Originally posted by paladyn:
That being said I do share the same concerns. If it priced fairly reasonably then in terms durability its not going to be as big of a concern, especially when the life expectancy of a helmet cover is generally a year or less.

I've always had good luck with my issued helmet-covers. Aside from some sordid-looking stains; all the helmet-covers I've used have shown few signs of wear. My noggin has rubbed up against many a mud-brick walls, bumped against some painfully sharp-edges inside an armored vehicle, and waded through what I would consider thick foilage. Even through all that... if you've got the cover on tight with no excess-material flopping about; I don't imagine the cover should get torn up very much at all.

quote:
Originally posted by 184SFS:
I am also wondering how well the cover would fit around the Ops-Core NVG mount.

The shroud sits underneath the reinforced Multicam Cordura, and is sized accordingly to allow the interface-square to be completely exposed. I've got a Norotos shroud on my helmet and the interfacing square is the same size as the VAS. If you're running a FAST helmet; you'll probably need to place some holes into the cover to attach the bungees to your shroud.
A friend of mine is getting one of these covers for a TC2002 and is going to try attaching the cover to his FAST. He plans on removing the ARC rails, pulling the cover taut, strategically melting holes into the cover, and re-attaching the ARC rails through the mesh. I'm sure he'll chime in here with his findings.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by P-Hustle:
What happened to them? For the life of me I can't seem to figure out when helmet covers began to suck and painted helmets became the norm.../QUOTE]


Helmet covers make it easier to affix foliage to the helmet.
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quote:
Originally posted by CAGUY97th:
quote:
Originally posted by RRTX:
Has anybody heard anything else from Ops Core on when their cover might be available? Last I heard was September but that has come and gone.


As a matter fact I sent a message to OPS CORE today about this exact subject. As soon as I hear something back I will post it.


I received a response back from Ops Core. They stated "we are finalizing the helmet cover and and we do not have a release date yet".
"Fuck your power point presentation."
I've been working on a Crye Mesh Helmet Cover for Mellon_Killer's TC2001, using Multicam Mesh and the new Multicam-printed Loop Velcro. Its taking me a bit longer due to having to figure out how much stretch to incorporate into my pattern since I've only got a Medium and Large CG634 Gallet.

I found the Hong Kong-made airsoft replicas on eBay for $14.24 with free shipping, for future use as a pattern.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ca...&hash=item2312f8d74a

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Snake doc,

Sorry I didn't get back to you quicker. Those rails come from Advanced Warfighter Solutions (AWS) in Fayetteville. There are very similar to the CSM gear ones.They consist of an aluminum strap with holes for mounting a plastic rail section or whatevery else you can come up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ashy Larry:
What kind of bungees are those? They look different from the regular Ops Core ones.


Those appear to be factory Ops Core bungees that come with the ARC type rail. The hook portion of the bungee does look modified though.

That is a super nice helmet cover. Is anyone aware of a cover of that style for the ACH?

Rubber Bat,
If you have some free time I'm interested on how the cover attaches to the helmet. Does it attach with just bands of velcro like Issued covers?
Thanks

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Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Brad Trittipo:
Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html


I called First Spear last week to find out when they will have the ACH model for sale and was told they had just had the final model be produced. I was supposed to receive a photo of one but still haven't.

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Ashy: Far as I know they came with the helmet, though I did get the helmet in a trade so the previous owner may have swapped out the hooks. Though I don't know how... I'll try and ask him today. I like the ones that are on there though; they seem to have a greater range of utility than the hooks.

Bloody: There are four tabs like those in the issued covers, two front two back. There were velcro disks in place in the front, but the back left me with the option of adding velcro or punching holes in the tabs and putting the helmet hardware through them. I chose the latter and can snap a pic if you want it. I'm sure no finagling would have been required if I had the ballistic model, which this cover is designed to fit. Underneath the cover , there is a rectangular patch of hook side velcro on either side and a strip in the back where it attaches to the loop side on the helmet. Pretty secure all around.
Interesting.

God damn that is a nice helmet cover. I can't say that I appreciate the sorbet-esque multicam velcro very much...patterned velcro...Scoff.

Bourne,

If you ever receive that photo you know where to post it.

Rubber,

Thanks man, I get the gist, no need to take photos if it essentially functions like an Issue cover.

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quote:
Originally posted by bourneshooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Brad Trittipo:
Grey Group shows an ACH model on their website, but the picture shown is the same style as above.

I was interested myself in how the ACH model looked.

http://store.greygrouptraining...-COVER-MICH-ACH.html


I called First Spear last week to find out when they will have the ACH model for sale and was told they had just had the final model be produced. I was supposed to receive a photo of one but still haven't.

What cut are the ACH covers for? I have a TC-2001 with Ops-Core rails I'd like to replace the Woodland cover on.
Alright dudes, this started as a test and wound up a new preference.

Issued ACH covers, Shoe goo, and you.
(A semi permanent solution)


For reference, here is my ACH setup before this modification.
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20707763#15920707763


Between reading this thread and the "Show your Fighting Loadout" thread extensively I began to detest my naked and painted ACH, for obvious reasons. It was time for changes.

I've been running an ACH for 6 years or so, and 4 of those years have been with an issued cover. Now, I've never had much trouble with Issue-style helmet covers, get the right size and take the time to don it correctly and it will stay tight and function well.
After a few years, helmet covers had started to irritate the shit out of me so I slapped some velcro on my ACH
However there were a few key preference based configurations that would be lost with the addition of a standard helmet cover.
- DIY with easily available materials,(IE. Issue helmet cover, cutting device, Shoe Goo) not dropping $80.00 and waiting for the mail (not like thats wrong)
- The nice and organized feel of a coverless helmet.
- Direct mounting of Velcro to helmet exterior/ not having to sew.
- Minimal wear/fraying/ snagging potential.

Direct velcro on helmet is an irrational personal preference on my end, because posts like Vet Medic's show me that velcro on helmet covers is not only possible, but possible with style (seen here) http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20142863#16120142863

Alas, I decided not to go out a buy tan velcro to sew onto my cover, mainly out of drunkenness.

Instead I wanted to keep my helmets Velcro configuration as is and work around it. This was an idea put in my head from a post by NORcalKilla in the 'Show your Fighting Loadout' thread.
This:
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20061763#96920061763


I decided that was the route I was going, but I would want to keep the cover as tight to the helmet as I possibly could. That was when it hit me.

Mother fuckin Shoe Goo.

Again, the idea was not original at all. It came from jcustisredux's post in this thread.
Here:
http://lightfighter.net/eve/fo...20695763#24320695763

It was at this time that everything aligned in my head and it was time to make some modifications.



I started with a complete Issued style helmet cover w/ Commo flap. ACH and cover size are S/M.

The cover had 5 separate main sections to an issue cover.
1- Velcro attachment system at the base of the cover
2- Left side
3- Top Center
4- Right side
5- Commo flap

The only pieces needed to do this Mod are 2, 3, and 4.



I removed the commo flap and kept it…imagining that I may use it again some day.

I cut the seams that attached the velcro straps to the bottom of the cover, being careful not to cut the cover itself.

I then cut the two main seams that attached the left, top center, and right of the cover to each other, again, being careful not to cut the cover itself.

I now have my the three sections (As seen above) that will become my new cover.



Take time to line everything up and get a mental picture of how you'll be applying your cover pieces. Shoe Goo starts to "tack" up with in 10 minuets.

It is necessary to spread out the Shoe Goo and to be able to adjust the position of the cover section while the goo is still wet. Be sure to work out any lumps or wrinkles while the goo is still wet.



Apply Shoe goo directly to helmet in streaks, such as above.
Its pretty common sense type shit, I applied a thicker portion of Shoe Goo to bendy areas of the ACH such as the "Ear Flare" portions of the helmet.



Be sure to leave about an inch of cloth hanging around the base of the helmet so that later you can come back and shoe goo it into place.



Once the edges have been gooed down and harden up, you can come back with a razor blade and slice away any extra material.

For the edge sections I used a significant amount of shoe goo to ensure proper adherence and added edge protection of the shoe goo. Its tough stuff!



As you can see I placed my cover material right over my velcro sections. I left about an inch of Shoe goo-free "play room" around the velcro panel so that I could come back with a razor blade and carefully and precisely cut out the section to expose my velcro.

All cutting of material as shown above is done once the shoe goo has stiffened up enough not to effect placement. (About 20 minuets)



Once you have cut away unwanted material, you will see why that Inch of shoe goo-free "play room" comes in handy.
Now you can gently apply small amounts of shoe goo in these small edges by taking a dental pick or similar tool and peeling back the loose edging around the velcro panel.
I used a small "paddle shaped" dental pick to apply the shoe goo in these confined spaces.

This is the method I used for all corners and edges on the helmet. I left a nice and workable inch of space at every corner so that I could go back with my pick and small amounts of shoe goo and really give the cover a professional look.

It is important to seal up all edges like this both for longevity, and appearance.


Along the top center seam lines I applied a light bead of shoe goo, and spread it with my finger so that it would overlap 1/2'' of the cover, and 1/2'' of the helmet shell. A nice tough, water resistant weld. I recommend this.

Now I've got the left and right sections of the helmet cover attached, cut, and edges sealed the way I want them.

Time to do the center.



I took my center portion and cut it straight down the middle using the cover loops as reference. I also removed the square remainder of the Comms flap so tha the front and rear of the section were both square and even.



I did the center one half section at a time. I had to angle each section of material inward in order to keep appearance symmetrical while overlapping cover material and covering the helmet shell entirely up to my NVG Mount.

Again, it is very important to leave excess material alone until you have the material partially adhered to the helmet and can see exactly how it will line up.

As you can see, I have my NVG mount limits traced out in pencil on the helmet shell.



Cut out what you need to cut out.
I couldn't decide if I wanted to entirely cover the helmet and mount my hardware over the cover. In the end I simply cut around everything.



Now I have half of my top section adhered, cut up, and sealed up. Again, I used a razor blade to cut a straight line along the "mohawk" section of velcro. I had about an inch or goo-free "play room" so that I could glue everything down tight.
All thats left now is to line up the other half of the top section, trim evenly, and seal up your edges.



Here is the completed product. Once I had all sections firmly in place and dimensions cut I added the finishing touches. Since I overlapped my material I once again had to seal up the top edges.


Shine issue

Here is a picture under direct light from earlier in the project for demonstration purposes. You can clearly see the lines of shoe goo in this picture. This is because Shoe goo is shiny once it cures. A simple light dusting of flat spray paint seems to help the shine go away.



A few more shots. Note the tan color of my shoe goo seams. (Krylon tan)


A close up of the painted seams.


I would love to get some points of view and questions on this.

I will come back with an AAR on this once I've put some time in beating this thing up.

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The only problem I have with that is that until the Corps goes with a solid PPE color, we are stuck reversing our helmet covers. There are times when wearing green cammies and a desert helmet cover will make you stand out in a crowd. This is just my experience from Helmand, but there are plenty of times where we can go day to day from deserts to greens. For Army, I'm digging it.

Common sense: so goddam rare, it should be a super power.

I recieved my First Spear Fast helmet cover today, Incredible product, Fit was exact.

A little history, I bought an Ops Core Fast Base Jump Helmet and thought about Getting a Hydrodip finish (A-TACS FG) done to it. Since First Spear brought out thier Fast Helmet covers, I figured why not, Pictures I've seen looked good, so I pulled the trigger, not dissappointed at all.

I went on line last Sunday night, Ordered a Folliage Green cover for a M/L Base Jump. They sent a Folliage Green cover for a SM/M Fast(Made sense, since the SM/M Fast is about the same size as a M/L Base Jump), cover went on like a dream, simple install.







I will be ordering another in camo, I hope they do one in A-TACS FG.
I got mine for my FAST ballistic as well, fits like a glove and very easy to put on.

The only thing I wish they had added as at least an option, are elastic loops or paracord loops for vegetation/scrim/burlap etc for camouflage.

I am gonna do my own mod for that.





It's not about surviving, it's about winning.

I do believe their Hybrid version covers that contingency, Arctic1.

I finally got off my ass and ordered one for mine, along with some goggle retention clips.

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Anybody running a First Spear cover with a Manta strobe? Any issues? -JJ

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I'm not running a strobe on my cover, but i do have a 1# weight bag on the back and its not going anywhere, the cover is very tight and secure when mounted on the helmet. There is Velcro hook material on the inside of the cover that is the same size as the velcro on the sides and back of the helmet and with the stretch material of the cover anything attached to the cover would be held as secure as it would be to the helmet without the cover.
I'm a low-speed REMF who only gets the occasional chance to go outside at night. Could someone please explain the cover flap as it relates to strobe use? Are you tucking a Phoenix, etc in there and letting it flash THROUGH the cover?

Just my $0.02 worth.

 

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Good info and great pic, dude. Thanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by Titleist:
Actually, it will IF you're using the ARC Rails, and for a LARGE 2001 cut you'll want to use the S/M FS cover. I ordered a M/L but they sent a S/M and oddly enough it fit perfectly.


Sexy. Is that the first spear or the crye?

Off topic, I'm assuming that dual dovetail adadpter locks up well in the Wilcox mount? Did you have to modify it in any way?
Over the years since about 1987, I've worked on gear off and on. One of the first items I made was a woodland camo cover for a WWII German helmet, that I actually wore to Army Reserve drills once or twice....Top thought it was the new PASGT Fritz Helmet....lol...

Anyhoooo, here are a couple of my latest works, a 50/50 Nyco Multicam cover from Tru-Spec that I added some closed cell foam to the front and "quilted" it, like the Eagle Ind. covers. This one also has a 3/4" Multicam Webbing Chinstrap Assy:




This one is made from scratch in Coyote 500d IR-treated Cordura, quilted front, velcro for IR flags on each side, and a U section wrapped over the top connecting the two IR flag velcro:

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

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"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

quote:
Originally posted by Longeye:
ignorant question:
What does the foam and quilting do for you?


Its just a method of reenforcing the front part of the cover from wear and tear.

The closed-cell foam reduces noise from a loose mounting plate and protects your paint job from damage from the NVD mount.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

"Design sense" would also seem to suggest that it's quilted (rather than just straight stitch or even a box X) to allow you to cut away portions of the cover to facilitate bolting on your mounting plate of choice without compromising the integrity of the rest of the cover.

I could be FOS, but I don't think I am. Sayin things like "design sense" on a military forum is kindof awkward, though.
quote:
Originally posted by BigFootXJ:
"Design sense" would also seem to suggest that it's quilted (rather than just straight stitch or even a box X) to allow you to cut away portions of the cover to facilitate bolting on your mounting plate of choice without compromising the integrity of the rest of the cover.


That is also correct. Say for example you had a bitch of a time installing a Norotos or Wilcox 3-hole onto your lid so you didn't want to do it all over again to install a camo cover. You can cut away part of the front section to clear the Rhino Mount and it shouldn't unravel all to threads.

I've got another done in Multicam Mesh with the Rhino base profile already marked out with stitching so all you have to do it cut away the inside then melt the raw edge with a lighter.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Here's a few more pics of a Coyote 500d, padded front, 3 columns in 5 rows velcro sewn to molle on the back:
ttp://s67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/adlerarmory/?action=view¤t=Cyclops2.jpg

Cover with OpsCore Shroud pinned in place:
http://s67.photobucket.com/alb...current=Cyclops1.jpg

Separate item, a 3/4" Multicam webbing chinstrap:
http://s67.photobucket.com/alb...camMICHChinstrap.jpg

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Sorry, my Javascript was fuggin up:

Here's a few more pics of a Coyote 500d, padded front, 3 columns in 5 rows velcro sewn to molle on the back:


Cover with OpsCore Shroud pinned in place:


Separate item, a 3/4" Multicam webbing chinstrap:

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

I just read through this thread and felt like I should throw a little history down (at least personal history).

Why did the cool guys start painting their helmets? Well, I don't know about other units, but at 5th SFG(A) we didn't have desert helmet covers. We had just fielded the MICH, and the army was still rocking K-pots. At OCIE we were handed brand new olive green MICH kits with all the pads and straps and shit, but no cover.

As most people know, 5th SFG(A) is desert-centric based on AOR. So, we resorted to painting their new helmets tan. In order to attach IR dots and flags, we resorted to velcro. Some guys (and some teams) used tans and browns to create all manner of camo patterns. Leadership wasn't inclined to dictate standards for our painted helmets, and we certainly weren't going to conform to Army standards.

Fast forward to the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions and you have the Army gearing up in their BDU/DCUs and kevlars, and the cool kids were wearing their new MICH helmets painted tan.

We actually had a lot of concern that we wouldn't blend in with our Army brothers..."hey lets shoot those guys with different helmets" but once we got busy we stopped caring about that kind of thing.

What began as a shortage of a standard item (helmet cover) became the mark of an "operator" and all sorts of units began taking their helmet covers of and painting their hats.

To echo what Pat said earlier (like a year ago), helmet covers will go back to being mandatory and standard items. The painted helmet will go down as a short-lived fad based on the military insisting on not providing units (even special units) with all the parts needed for an issued item.

Other folks may have other perspectives, but that's how I remember it going down.

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Bottom side of the First Spear cover:

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This is a L/XL for the FAST helmet. It fit the BAE LG 2002 I got in for T&E just fine, slightly loose just above/behind the VAS shroud.
With the hook velcro to attach this to the loop fields on your existing helmet, it is not going anywhere.
Here's progress making a pattern for an OpsCore FAST Bump Helmet, graciously loaned by a Lightfighter, thank you very much:


This cover is being made from Duro Multicam Omega Mesh. I cut a hole for the rhino mount to fit the integral NVD base then stitched 1in Multicam edgebinding tape around the cut edge.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Aren't the covers also good for protecting the helmet? From damaging UV rays from the sun and abrasion. I know that paint will protect it from the sun unless/until it wears off, but letting the cover get scratched and torn seems better than abrading the top few layers of Kevlar.
Superb job, bro! I guess it hasn't been easy but the outcome is impressive. I should try to build my own helmet cover but I am not too much skillful sewing.

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The First Spear covers work VERY well. If you are not certain of your size, contact Ronnie Fowlkes at First Spear.

I'm also a big fan of the Helmet Hut that First Spear makes.

It protects your lid, keeps shit from rolling around, and it has plenty of extra space for the shit that goes on the helmet.
"War is the forge that hardens us" Archpriest N'Gathan
LFer wanted a coyote cover to cover and protect the Multicam hydro dip on his OpsCore FAST Jump Helmet. We went with Mil C-8061 Coyote Mesh (from www.rockywoods.com) for something different.

To clear the built-in NVD mount base, I cut a rhino porthole, rolled back the cut edges and stitched around the perimeter



He wanted a means to carry a MS2000 strobe, and while working on a permanent strobe pouch for another, the best mean was a horizontal configuration. With a vertical strobe pocket and a counterweight pocket next to it, the curvature of the shell would have caused the strobe to lift a lot of the abbreviated side panel, resulting in a shitty appearance.




He also wanted to sport a flight nametag and have the option to clip on other accessories as needed so I ran 2x4 loop velcro on the strobe flap and 3 rows of 3 columns of velcro PALS above the strobe pouch.

I'll have a Duro Ind. Omega Multicam Mesh version done tonite.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Omega Mesh with square NVD Porthole, cut, folded then sewn; expandable ANVIS cable channels; integral horizontal MS2000 and battery/ballast pockets; stowage/access flaps under IR Flags for ANVIS connector



"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Superb job, brother!

Definitely you are very skillful with the needle.

I am not as skillful to do it but I should try it with the cloth of older uniforms.

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since the Crye helmet covers that are issued to SOCOM are basically unobtainable, I've been trying to think of the best way to attach my ANVIS battery pack to the rear of my helmet. I've been throwing around the idea of basically buying a pouch similar to the BFG boo-boo pouch and sewing it the back of a regular helmet cover i already have. Now, I know the Boo-Boo is too small for the battery pack, has anyone tried this before and have a lead on a pouch that would fit it?
quote:
Originally posted by mfalcone15:
since the Crye helmet covers that are issued to SOCOM are basically unobtainable, I've been trying to think of the best way to attach my ANVIS battery pack to the rear of my helmet.


There are a few LPBPs (Low Profile Battery Packs) on eBay this week, with broken clips. If I can get the dimensions for one, I'd like to make a full-sized pouch from the Omega Mesh with a Multicam-covered flap and dual overlapping elastic strips forming an outlet for the power cord. Contoured best I can, to either stick to existing helmet covers via velcro, or Scovill 24L blackened brass snaps, or a velcro/PALS arrangement.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

For an experiment, I took my Large TC-2002, added some ARC-Rails, and tried the fit of a L/XL First-Spear FAST Ballistic helmet cover. Pretty damn good fit!

For science!

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Hal, that's a sick, freakin' cover, man! People probably don't realize how much work goes into making these things from scratch. I know the FAST covers I make, with the integral Strobe and Battery/Counterweight pockets, stowage flaps under the side IR flags, cable rounting, NVD portholes, I put about 10 hrs into making the cover and all the details. Obviously I can't charge the full rate of $22/hr for a stupid cover, so I try to stay competitive with market value.

I've been using the Amplix-mfg Multicam-printed velcro, I know there is another loop out there with a different print pattern, I can't recall that mfg name.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

This is a black OpsCore FAST Basejump S/M, Omega Mesh, Amplix Multicam-printed loop, integral Strobe/Battery-Ballast Pockets, velcro mohawk on top, and by request, NVD porthole made pentagon-shaped for a Wilcox lanyard to be fitted without setting the bolt thru the cover mesh:



And details under the ANVIS power cord stowage under the IR Flag Side Flaps:

6 o'clock position is the Baby Dot snap that secures flap, 9-12-3 o'clock are #0 blackened brass grommets with coyote ALSE cord to tie down or zip tie connector plug

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Dude your covers are the shit! Yes, they are totally time consuming. I actually wonder sometimes how I pulled off making one. There are a lot of details in these things like you said. I am gonna try some with MC mesh next weekend I think. Build a few more then take a break.

Keep up the awesome work dude.
Anyone have a First Spear cover for the ACH? I don't have the scratch saved for a Crye, FAST, or even a Gunfighter Cut rig.

Cheers, Matt

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Eric, thanks for putting pics of the FS ACH cover up. Been wondering what it'd look like. Seems a bit odd that provisions weren't made for side velcro and an ARC rail to be used together instead of one covering the other.

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Been searching like hell, anybody know of a helmet cover that will fit on the PT-Alpha side cut ?

Before anyone asks why I'd want one, I'm trying to find a way to make it pass on first glance as a ballistic helmet. The current contract I'm on requires the use of ballistic helmets, and naturally I'm trying to find a way to sidestep such foolishness.
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So I'm finally getting around to posting pics of the Multicam First Spear ACH cover. Took forever to arrive then life got busy.

Cover is a size Large on a size Large helmet. I had previously painted the helmet so it has a tan base coat under the mesh area.

The cover attaches via multiple velcro straps as well as a shock cord liner around the edge of the helmet. It will require your helmet to have velcro on the inside, and the straps from the cover are double sided so any pads you may run just stick right back over the helmet straps.

As has already been mentioned, the side velcro is covered by ARC rails. I pocked a tiny hole in the cover for the NOD bracket and ARC rail screws.

Any questions or more particular photos of something, let me know and I will try to help.





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quote:
Originally posted by Titleist:
Actually, it will IF you're using the ARC Rails, and for a LARGE 2001 cut you'll want to use the S/M FS cover. I ordered a M/L but they sent a S/M and oddly enough it fit perfectly.



Can this line of thought be extended to say that M/L cover will fit an XL 2001?

Ek

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Thanks for the pics, bro. Now I am more eager to get my cover. I got the wrong size and I'm waiting for the rigt one. I use a XL ACH so the cover I got was too small.

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In response to the couple posts about guys wearing Khaki with ACU pattern just because some SF guy they saw running it is kind of ignorant. Certainly that happens on a consistent basis but stating it in a way that says ALL guys that aren't SF that happen to wear khaki with ACU are just doing because of the cool SF guy is ridiculous. I wore Khaki and MC on my ACU iotv in Iraq because it works better than god awful ACU. Just an example.
Sorry to take away from the pretense of this thread. Now I'll try and contribute. That mesh MC cover looks bad ass, my only concern would be how durable it is. And on the subject of helmets, I saw somewhere online a Kevlar FAST type helmet that was not only for tactical purposes but also recreational, mountain bikes, road bikes, climbing, etc. I had it bookmarked but haven't been able to find it since. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Figured I would throw that question out.

"Neither Cox nor Dix nor Sux"

Something tells me this wont hold up to the wieght of NVG use and require just as much fiddling.

Cheers, Matt

"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task."    Publius Vergilius Maro, The Aeneid

I don't like it one bit....but what the demonstrator and the cameraman forgot to do is to get an interior shot...or at least an explanation of the attachment point between the OPS core shroud and the cover.

I can see this working fairly so long as there is some mega tough shit holding the shroud to the cover while also acting as a backer to the shroud, making good stable contact with the exterior of the Kevlar.

My least favorite part of scrubbing TA50 is disassembling the ACH and swapping covers from dirty to clean. This being said I still would rather quit being lazy and take the time to set up my equipment then buy a product.

I can't fathom being a Marine and having reversible fuckin covers...flip flopping every month or so...that shit would drive me up a wall.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bloody yank:
I can't fathom being a Marine and having reversible fuckin covers...flip flopping every month or so...that shit would drive me up a wall.


What about Mother Army and four camouflage patterns? Will Soldiers get away with just one helmet cover in the OCIE or transitional pattern?

 

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quote:
Originally posted by mohican:
Thanks for the pics, bro. Now I am more eager to get my cover. I got the wrong size and I'm waiting for the rigt one. I use a XL ACH so the cover I got was too small.


NP.

I'm very impressed with it and about to order a second one for a new black work helmet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Virgil:
Something tells me this wont hold up to the wieght of NVG use and require just as much fiddling.


I was thinking the same thing. Only way I can see this working is (IMHO read: I don't rate, but know NOD-Wobble), is there has GOT to be some sort of suspension under the cover. Some sort of stiffener that conforms to the cover and the helmet to provide support to the VAS shroud and the rails. Otherwise, the wearing soldier becomes a floppy bag of accessorized dicks. Paint me interested...in the concept of the helmet cover, not the floppy bag of dicks you assholeses.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bloody yank:
I don't like it one bit....but what the demonstrator and the cameraman forgot to do is to get an interior shot...or at least an explanation of the attachment point between the OPS core shroud and the cover.

I can see this working fairly so long as there is some mega tough shit holding the shroud to the cover while also acting as a backer to the shroud, making good stable contact with the exterior of the Kevlar.

My least favorite part of scrubbing TA50 is disassembling the ACH and swapping covers from dirty to clean. This being said I still would rather quit being lazy and take the time to set up my equipment then buy a product.

I can't fathom being a Marine and having reversible fuckin covers...flip flopping every month or so...that shit would drive me up a wall.


Looked like there is some black 2mm rubber or hypalon sheet used as a backer for the VAS Shroud and ARC Rails.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Latest cover enroute to South America, bungee loops and rounded velcro edges by special request, single MultiPurpose Pocket on back that can be used for MS2000 Strobe or as Counterweight/Battery Pocket, has the strobe switch slot sewn in, inside covered with velcro when not used, left side is MC Omega Mesh with a 2" MC webbing flap that folds back onto itself to allow the strobe signature to emit thru the mesh. Side velcro placed above ARC Rails:




I used Multicam woven elastic for the battery card, just hope he doesn't lose it in the jungle.

I changed to using 1" MC printed edge tape along the rim, double stitched, for speed of mfg, stronger mount point for the attachment fingers and better conformance to the rim curves.

And, I've started to use tan Velcro OneWrap for the attachment fingers, bartacked to a short length of 1" binding tape, so there is no exposed velcro on the rim to catch on everything when it is set down. Speeds up construction, saves time gluing both velcro parts to the edgetape then sewing around the edge. And it rolls up onto itself to prevent the fingers from sticking to everything as it is being made or installed on the users helmet.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Yet another custom, Omega Mesh, NVD Porthole, side velcro above ARC Rails, 2" wide MC printed "mohawk", and, my newest integral MS2000 Strobe/Batt Counterweight Pocket, that snaps down over your goggle strap.


"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

falldownjaeger, you are an artist.

You really know how to do it.

In case I didn't eventually get the cover I ordered I will beg you for a helmet cover.

Joined: 30DEC08      Location: SPAIN

Take care, keep safe, stay frosty, brother!

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Jesus there is some art in these covers - I am suitably jealous. Falldownjaeger they are the allyest things I have seen in a long time.

By TF Helmand policy all the Brits in theatre now 'scrim' their Mk 7s. The authorised way of doing this has you looking like a militant rastafarian so all of us ended up putting a face veil over the helmet then threading MTP, sandbags, shemagh strips etc through the holes. We found you had to spray paint the mount for your NVG as well or that made a nice aiming mark on your forehead.

While I rejected it initially, when you saw the difference it made to a platoon in a field of poppy stalks I was sold on the idea. Function not fashion after all...



Still - I would rather be cutting about in one of FallDownJaeger's examples.

 

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"Don't forget your stick Lieutenant."

 

"Rather, Sir. Wouldn't want to face a Jerry machine gun without this."

To now pretty much 99% of covers I've made are Large MICH.

My medium cover pattern is almost done being tweaked for a better fit. I had to back burner it to work on a rush job Crye Airframe pattern and a special cover for a LF Brother that absolutely has to be in the mail by Monday......the Ranger Green I'm using to make the pattern makes the Airframe look like a fuggin' Sleestak from Land of the Lost.....
I have a TC2001 and 2002 on hand in Medium to use to make sidepanel patterns once my medium MICH/ACH/TC2000 basic pattern is perfected.
I have a TC2001 in Large being delivered on Monday, the airsoft TC2001 I had tried to use has a different contour and size from an original, shit wouldn't fit a real one to my taste.
And I have some FAST helmets coming to me in about 2 weeks, both ballistic and carbon fiber, to pattern.
Now all I need to find are some Mk6 and Mk7s to pattern, eh, Jupiler?

Jupiler,
I was joking with another LE Brother some months ago about the old Light Infantry days when it was TTP to wear the scrimmed out PASGT covers made from strips of cut up BDUs. They were order of the day for 7th ID, and some elements of 82d Airborne and 25th ID.
I was joking with him I was sending him his black MICH cover with strips of black nylon cotton ripstop sewn to it, a la the "Cabbage Head" or "Cabbage Patch Kids" look, because his dept policy was covers had to be black for SWAT except their snipers. I told him he could plug his IPOD into his Peltors so he could listen to Bob Marley "I Shot The Sheriff"
All joking aside, I'm convince "we" are going back to the jungle after we leave SWA. Personal camouflage, breaking up outlines, eliminating shine, all that is going to have to be relearned. Body armor will be left in the kit bag, can't effectively patrol in 110 degrees with 99% humidity with a 30 lb turtlesuit on.

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

See? Sleestak Head:




By special request,these Airframe covers have Mil C 8061 nylon mesh being sewn in to cover the shell vent, to keep out bugs and to minimize hot secondary junk from burning your scalp.

This rush job UCP (may a pox be upon that Natick project manager forever) Airframe cover, foliage green vent screen and, just for aesthetics, ATACS-AU printed velcro for the side patches:


The Airframe is a bit of a pain, you actually have to make two covers for it, and, trying to hold the material in place between the two shells,

"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Nothing as highspeed as falldownjaeger's work, but I modified an issue helmet cover. I had a similarly modified helmet cover for the deployment to slap a helmet camera for AARs and stuff, but this time I went full retard since it's my personal brain bucket:





Battery pouch is a (modified with extra velcro and an easy grab strap) BFG BooBoo pouch on two sewn-on 2" Multicam webbing strips. It's the perfect size for an ANVIS pack, who knew?

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Just finished, open top MS2000 Strobe Pocket (by special request) and Battery/Counterweight Pockets are on their own backing secured by two Scovil 24L blackened brass mil spec hard action snaps to act as a goggle retainer.
Intended for ARC Rails to be bolted overtop, has the chinstrap/rail bolt holes run as buttonholes reenforced by 725d Multicam nylon to prevent holes from tearing, egging, etc. Buttonholer itself was an ordeal finally overcome.
And, for light infantry use, gutted Multicam 550 cord run as garnish loops, temp tacked in place in this pic.

Attachment fingers are now made with tan Velcro OneWrap bartacked on edge binding tape.







"AG Holder's Fast n Furious Guns have killed more cops than M855"

 

1995 5SFG M1025A2 GMV IAIF2 

Looking for M72A5-A9 tubes, 2x AT4/M136 Tubes

"and the LORD Almighty will shield them. They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling the corners of the altar." Zechariah 9:15

Originally Posted by kaja:
Searched, but hadn't found.

Does any company make something similar to this:


This one is made for airosfters, but I like the idea (copy of crye helmet cover?).

ODG makes a good one. They designed first spears as well.

If it makes sense you're wrong. -Unknown

My current iteration of my Ops Core helmet:

 

 

 

 

 

It's a regular Ops Core FAST cut, with Ops Core H-Nape and Team Wendy pads. The helmet cover is the Combat Kit Infantry cover. The light is a Princeton Tec MLPS.

It's not about surviving, it's about winning.

Dude, your covers are the shit.  I am totally impressed.  You broke the code.  I cant deal with making them more than like 1-2 times a year.  haha.  
 
This is all I came up with.  Changed to MC loop.  Mine are Busch League compared to yours.
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by falldownjaeger:
Just finished... ALL THESE AWESOME COVERS!

Battery pouch is a (modified with extra velcro and an easy grab strap) BFG BooBoo pouch on two sewn-on 2" Multicam webbing strips. It's the perfect size for an ANVIS pack, who knew?

 
Actually...I did a story for SWAT on the BooBoo Pouch a year or two ago, and showed one that I had attached to my Airframe.


This takes nothing away from your work, which is clearly Top Shelf.

If My Brother From Another Mother says so (and he just did) that confirms it.

Keep up the good work!

"Battery pouch is a (modified with extra velcro and an easy grab strap) BFG BooBoo pouch on two sewn-on 2" Multicam webbing strips. It's the perfect size for an ANVIS pack, who knew?"

 

 

Let me try again.
I did an article in SWAT a year or two ago and had a pic where I showed using the BooBoo Pouch as a pocket on the back of an Airframe.

This takes nothing away from your excellent work.

And I know it is excellent work because My Brother From Another Mother just said so.

And he ain't no slouch...

 
Originally Posted by falldownjaeger:
Just finished, open top MS2000 Strobe Pocket (by special request) and Battery/Counterweight Pockets are on their own backing secured by two Scovil 24L blackened brass mil spec hard action snaps to act as a goggle retainer.
Intended for ARC Rails to be bolted overtop, has the chinstrap/rail bolt holes run as buttonholes reenforced by 725d Multicam nylon to prevent holes from tearing, egging, etc. Buttonholer itself was an ordeal finally overcome.
And, for light infantry use, gutted Multicam 550 cord run as garnish loops, temp tacked in place in this pic.

Attachment fingers are now made with tan Velcro OneWrap bartacked on edge binding tape.







You make some seriously sick kit brother.

 

If it makes sense you're wrong. -Unknown

Originally Posted by falldownjaeger:
Just finished, open top MS2000 Strobe Pocket (by special request) and Battery/Counterweight Pockets are on their own backing secured by two Scovil 24L blackened brass mil spec hard action snaps to act as a goggle retainer.
Intended for ARC Rails to be bolted overtop, has the chinstrap/rail bolt holes run as buttonholes reenforced by 725d Multicam nylon to prevent holes from tearing, egging, etc. Buttonholer itself was an ordeal finally overcome.
And, for light infantry use, gutted Multicam 550 cord run as garnish loops, temp tacked in place in this pic.

Attachment fingers are now made with tan Velcro OneWrap bartacked on edge binding tape.

 

 

 

 

Anyone heard from this guy lately? I have been waiting on a helmet cover for over a year now and he's has dropped off comms. If anyone has a good POC to get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate a PM.

Originally Posted by FlakBait:
Originally Posted by falldownjaeger:
Just finished, open top MS2000 Strobe Pocket (by special request) and Battery/Counterweight Pockets are on their own backing secured by two Scovil 24L blackened brass mil spec hard action snaps to act as a goggle retainer.
Intended for ARC Rails to be bolted overtop, has the chinstrap/rail bolt holes run as buttonholes reenforced by 725d Multicam nylon to prevent holes from tearing, egging, etc. Buttonholer itself was an ordeal finally overcome.
And, for light infantry use, gutted Multicam 550 cord run as garnish loops, temp tacked in place in this pic.

Attachment fingers are now made with tan Velcro OneWrap bartacked on edge binding tape.

 

 

 

 

Anyone heard from this guy lately? I have been waiting on a helmet cover for over a year now and he's has dropped off comms. If anyone has a good POC to get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate a PM.

PM should work, I messaged him last week about a cover I wanted.

PSYOP- The least special of all Special Operations Forces.

Originally Posted by TPT924:
Originally Posted by FlakBait:
Originally Posted by falldownjaeger:
Just finished, open top MS2000 Strobe Pocket (by special request) and Battery/Counterweight Pockets are on their own backing secured by two Scovil 24L blackened brass mil spec hard action snaps to act as a goggle retainer.
Intended for ARC Rails to be bolted overtop, has the chinstrap/rail bolt holes run as buttonholes reenforced by 725d Multicam nylon to prevent holes from tearing, egging, etc. Buttonholer itself was an ordeal finally overcome.
And, for light infantry use, gutted Multicam 550 cord run as garnish loops, temp tacked in place in this pic.

Attachment fingers are now made with tan Velcro OneWrap bartacked on edge binding tape.

 

 

 

 

Anyone heard from this guy lately? I have been waiting on a helmet cover for over a year now and he's has dropped off comms. If anyone has a good POC to get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate a PM.

PM should work, I messaged him last week about a cover I wanted.

Rgr, thanks.

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