Hi everyone, 

I've been reading for a couple of weeks now on plate carriers and armor. I've decided to go with the CRYE JPC 2.0 in size XL, I'm a big guy. I'll be purchasing a SAPI cut plate in size 11"x14". I've looked at so many different rifle plates my head was spinning, but I've narrowed it down to a couple different options. It's very confusing trying to determine the various threat levels and the information in this forum has been incredible. The post from Doug Deaton was especially helpful. 

This is for work in the CONUS. For security, I'll keep my location private, but this is in a very large metropolitan area. 

I am looking specifically at the HESCO 3810 and the U210 right now, but would consider other options if it makes sense. There is a lot to like about the U210, but the 3810 looks like it can stop the 7.62x54R which I assume, maybe incorrectly, that it can also stop .308?

The U210 also has the M855/A1 listed as a round it can defeat, but it's not listed for the 3810. This is where things get confusing for me, does it mean that because it is not listed, it cannot defeat that round (referring to the attachment below)?

I found a great HESCO PDF that lists all of the armor, link here: ttp://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=00256455976922644122

I know my purchase is dependant on the types of threats I could face, but I do not know exactly what those could be and could use the help of people on this forum to make my decision. This is a real exercise and I'll be spending a lot of money to make the purchase and your advise would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you

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It's been suggested before, but buy plates first then choose a carrier. 

As for determining your probable threats - what calibers is your department seizing in the field or not? 

If a specific caliber &/or load isn't listed, identified then it probably was not officially tested. Now that doesn't mean no one has shot that round at that plate just that it wasn't done officially. 

Have you reached out to a competent Hesco dealer, run your situation & needs past them, and gotten their recommendation? More than once over the years, I've gotten on the phone with reps from US Armor, Point Blank, Armored Mobility, and AT Armor.

Erick posted:

It's been suggested before, but buy plates first then choose a carrier. 

As for determining your probable threats - what calibers is your department seizing in the field or not? 

If a specific caliber &/or load isn't listed, identified then it probably was not officially tested. Now that doesn't mean no one has shot that round at that plate just that it wasn't done officially. 

Have you reached out to a competent Hesco dealer, run your situation & needs past them, and gotten their recommendation? More than once over the years, I've gotten on the phone with reps from US Armor, Point Blank, Armored Mobility, and AT Armor.

I have reached out to a dealer and they have been very helpful. They recommend the 3810 if 7.62x51 is a threat in my area, but I've never really come across it nor have others I work with. I'm very new to purchasing rifle plates so I don't want my ignorance steering me in the wrong direction. I like the idea of having 7.62x51 protection; however, maybe it's not a significant threat and I should be looking at the U210 for the weight savings and how thin it is. 

I'm hoping someone with some experience that has been involved in large department purchases either on the decision making end, or receiving end, help push me in one direction. I figure it's either go with the U210 which is a fantastic plate with solid threat protection, lighter and thinner. Or go with the 3810 because it has the additional threat protection, but thicker and heavier. 

About a year ago, I bought a set of Hesco L210's.  I went through the guys at AT Armor and they were very helpful in talking though my needs and desires vs. pros and cons of some of their products.  I do not wear the plates daily so others can chime in there.  When deployed, I wore the plates/vest I was issued and eventually you get used to what you have.  In a way, that's less hassle then having a choice in the matter  In the end, you'll need to rank your priorities (protection, weight, cost, etc) and make your pick from there.  Again, the reps from most reputable dealers should be able to guide you once you have your priorities in mind.

Honestly, shoot Mike at AT Armor a call or an email. He has no problem walking you through your best choice and correct sizing for the plate. He doesn't try to upsell you, he legit is trying to get you the correct armor for your needs.

In response to your debate of thickness vs protection:

I've found that an overwhelming majority of the LE purchasing personal plates from me decide  to go with at least one U210 on the back due to the thinness of the plates and the ergonomic benefits of a slimmer plate when sitting in their vehicles.  

Another happy AT armor customer.  What will you be doing while wearing the plates?  Is this for a low vis rig in a high risk area or for a class rig/civil unrest rig?  Your choice of a JPC seems to be towards the overt.  If you are going "loud" , I'd look towards the 3810 as the slight reduction in thickness provided by the U210 (which makes it easier to hide, among other things) is offset by the fact that you have it in a visible military style carrier. 

U210 would be a good option. Also LTC Stealth (28720) or Tencate CR2000SA or CR6400SA are good options.

LTC, Hesco, and Tencate are probably the "big 3" mfgs. Several vendors sell plates that are rebranded version of them.  The STOP BZ, Velocity BZ and Tencate 6400SA are essentially the same plate. The spec is almost the same as the U210. The biggest difference is in the testing. Even the Paraclete Speed Plate Plus is really a CR2000SA. 

AT Armor would be a good vendor. I'd also recommend checking out Battalion Defense. 

 

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What is the "real-world" difference between the U210 vs Hesco 4400?  I know it's lighter and doesn't protect against certain threats, but CONUS is the U210 all you'd really need?

Mission requirements, weight requirements, and likey threats should usually dictate armor choice. 

Hesco 4400 is a NIJ rated LV 4 plate. It is thick (0.9 in) and heavy (7.8lbs), but will stop one 7.62x63/.30-06 AP round. (very unlikely threat). 

The U210 is an STR plate. A SAPI M is 4.2 lbs and .56 in thick. It is optimized for 5.56 and 7.62x39 including AP/BZ. It isn't tested for 7.62x51/.308 or 7.62x63/.30-06. 

Personally, I believe the U210 would probably stop a .308 rd, but maybe not within BFD limits. I haven't tested it. Also personally, I'd go with the U210 plate 9.5 times out of 10.  And the .5 is if I knew for sure I'd be in a gun fight against a .30-06. 

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Thanks!  I find the triple curve much more comfortable than the single curve. Does 3A soft armor turn the U210 to Lvl IV ICW? That's what the SAPI's rated for with the backer, right?

The U210 is a Stand Alone rated plate. You don't need a backer to meet the tested protection levels. Adding a backer won't make it a Lvl 4 ICW because it hasn't been tested that way. I don't know if (but highly doubt) it would stop a black tip (AP) round within standards. Would need to be tested that way which costs a lot of money for official NIJ std testing. 

However, a backer is a good idea as long as it doesn't add to much bulk or weight. Will provide additional blunt protection. I think (but have not tested) the U210 would stop .308 rounds within BFD limits with a backer. 

I have LTC Stealth (28720) plates (.5 inch thick and 3.8 lbs). They are ICW rated plates but rated to stop all the same threats as U210 and also multiple hits of .308.

On a more regular basis, I also use Paraclete Speed Plate Plus (Tencate CR2000SA) plates. I use them with 3A armor underneath usually even though they are SA plates. 

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