I know, I know, you read the title and think "Oh no, not again!" but this is a little different.

I walked into work today and received an e-mail stating that we received 2 "sample" Tac Vests from Dragon Skin to try out and evaluate.

Needless to say, I am a little worried about this. I need any up-to-date info about Dragon Skin so I can go to my Lt and give him the lowdown on this brand, but I need something to hand him, not just "I read about this on the internet"...

I did a seach on here, but the last I saw on DS was from 2008 and I had thought the company went under and closed shop. I guess I was wrong???

Any links / info would be great.

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I'm pretty sure that with all of the old info you can burn them down with your higher.

A company with those past business practices shouldn't be given any consideration.

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Thanks, I will go though the thread and make notes to give them.

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You're supposed to "evaluate" them, so do it. Leave a vest in a trunk for days at a time, during one of the hottest times of the year. At random intervals, pull it out, take it to the range, and shoot the fucker. Be all science like and document everything. When the vest fails, you'll have your own internally developed information, plus whatever golden nuggets you get from elsewhere, to sink this ship before it gathers steam.

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Hey Brother,

Below is the Safety Of Use Message from the Army (TACOM) released after it failed testing. Hopefully this helps, feel free to PM me if you need anything. - Mick

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UNCLASSIFIED//
DTG: 2006/03/17 18:24:59Z

Subject: Safety Of Use Message (SOUM), TACOM Control No. SOUM 06-017.
Discontinue Use of Unauthorized Body Armor, Dragon Skin.

D XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX D
A X "WARNING" X A
N X DEATH OR SERIOUS INJURY TO SOLDIERS, OR DAMAGE X N
G X TO ARMY EQUIPMENT WILL OCCUR IF THE INSTRUCTIONS X G
E X IN THIS MESSAGE ARE NOT FOLLOWED. X E
R XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX R

REFERENCES: None.

1. Distribution: This is a Safety Of Use Message. MACOM Commanders will retransmit this message to all subordinate Commands/Activities within 24 hours of receipt of this message and acknowledge receipt of this message within five working days to:
CDRTACOM, Warren MI, AMSTA-LC-LPIM, DSN 786-6096, Commercial (586)
574-6096 or DDN address: Safetyofuse@Tacom.Army.Mil.

2. Problem:

A. There may be Soldiers deployed in OIF/OEF who are wearing a commercial body armor called "Dragon Skin," made by Pinnacle Armor, in lieu of their issued Interceptor Body Armor (IBA). Media releases and related advertising imply that Dragon Skin is superior in performance to IBA. The Army has been unable to determine the veracity of these claims.

B. The Army has been involved in the development of Dragon Skin and the different technology it employs. In its current state of development, Dragon Skin's capabilities do not meet Army requirements. In fact, Dragon Skin has not been certified by the Army for protection against several small arms threats being encountered in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

C. Although this message specifically identifies Dragon Skin, it applies to other commercially available body armor products (such as commercial police vests) that are not Army approved and issued.

3. User Actions:

A. Commanders at all levels will ensure only IBA, and its components, is used by our Soldiers. All other body armor should be immediately replaced with IBA.

B. Authorized components of the IBA include the outer tactical vest and ballistic plates, throat protector, collar, groin protector, Deltoid and Axillary Protector (DAP), side plates, and side plate carriers. Commanders may tailor the IBA configuration to meet threat and mission requirements.

C. Soldiers may dispose of unauthorized body armor by sending the items directly to PEO Soldier or by turning them in to the local CIF who will ship the items to PEO Soldier. PEO Soldier will refund shipping expenses from anywhere in the world however, it cannot reimburse any purchase expenses for the items. Contact the PEO Soldier POC identified in paragraph 6 below for shipping instructions.

D. Parts, Assembly, Components or End Item inspection procedures: N/A

E. Category of Maintenance: N/A.

F. Task or inspection suspense date: Commanders have 30 Days after receipt of this message to complete a body armor inspection and be in compliance.

G. Correction procedures. N/A.

H. Parts affected by NSN, P/N, Cage Code and Tech Manual reference: N/A.

I. Requisitioning Instructions: N/A.

J. Disposition of Hazardous Materiel: N/A.

K. Technical References: N/A.

4. TACOM/PM actions:

A. Publications that require change as a result of this inspection: None.

B. Follow-up actions required: None.

5. Supply Status: There are no supply concerns/requirements. There is more than enough IBA available to equip every deployed Soldier. Contact the local CIF or contact the CFLCC C4 POCs for instructions on obtaining IBA.

6. POCS: Please see the original document hosted on AKO for the list of POC's at https://www.us.army.mil/suite/doc/5698317 (Please note AKO username/password are required).

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Thanks, Erick and Mick...

I am still trying... I was told earlier this week "That was in 2007, they have fixed things since then" Eek

I would really like to find out who got the "Samples" and see if they are actually NIJ certified....

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Originally posted by DocGKR:
Hmmm--how about them providing some comprehensive independent testing proving that unfounded assertion. Ethical business behavior matters...


That would be too easy...

Is it better to out monster the monster, or be quietly devoured?

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Originally posted by ianq:
Thanks, Erick and Mick...

I am still trying... I was told earlier this week "That was in 2007, they have fixed things since then" Eek

I would really like to find out who got the "Samples" and see if they are actually NIJ certified....


Tell the guy who siad "...they fixed things since then" to wear it to the range and you'll put it to the test. I wonder if he'd risk a sucking cheast wound.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool we twice, shame on me."
This should be interesting.....

It's too bad because I really liked their soft armor from years ago. It was actually good stuff.

The Dragon Skin, I'll pass untill they can prove they are owned outright by another/other person's and the old owner has zero connections. Oh yeah it would be nice if they could actually prove the "disc" vest works =)

Mikey

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The owner of Pinnacle Armor Murray Neal has zero percent interest in DS 2.0 or older versions, Pinnacle is Bankrupt, and so is the company that bought it NADG. original DS in level 3 was always fine, and at the end of the day level 4 presented problems with weight as they fixed the adhesion at high temp issues.

You can get it from the guy who really invented it and sold it to the ex joint venture partner Murray Neal in 2000.

However that guy went back into business and invented something very different called Hexar, check it out at www.stealtharmorsystems.com

Cheers

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