Horizontal TQ pouch

Meant to include this in my previous post but it was late and i was tired. My observations of the elastic loops mirrors yours and the option to move them would be nice. I also prefer malice clips but his method of attachment was actually surprisingly easy to attach and feels secure. I havent had a chance to run any drills with the pouch yet

He also makes vertical TQ pouches which appear to be pretty gtg as well. I found him on ar15dotcom and i know theres a lot of clownshoes over there, but he's one guy that i have noticed through posts and pictures to be pretty receptive and detail oriented.
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I've been trading emails with Brian over the past 24 hours, and he's made several changes to the pouch as a result of my feedback.  Hopefully, I'll have pictures of the updated version to share with you all soon.  I've gotta say it's been a real pleasure working with him, as he's extremely receptive to suggestions.  Anyway, more to follow.

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Location: South Florida

Update with pictures of the second generation pouch.  These were taken by Brian at Tron-Tactical, and I should have the new pouch in hand by the end of the week.

 

First, here's what I sent as far as suggestions:

Recommended changes

 

Here is the updated version, with an explanation of the changes made:

 

Front

Relocated elastic loops from top to bottom of pouch.  This frees up the 1" strip of loop for guys like me who prefer to wear both a 1" nametape and a flag patch, while still leaving the Sharpie accessible without opening the pouch.

 

Top angle

Another angle

 

Side view

Side view.  The top flap was extended by about 1/2", and the front flap was shortened by 1/2".  This allows a bit of play in how tightly the pouch is closed up, and makes for a slimmer overall profile when used with a smaller TQ.

 

Rear view

Rear view.  The integrated attachment method has been replaced with a MALICE-clip compatible system.  The spacing of the webbing was selected to allow the pouch to be centered on any plate carrier, whether it has an odd number of MOLLE columns or an even number.

 

Pouch mounted

Pouch centered and mounted on a plate carrier with 4 columns and a chest rig with 5 columns.

 

Pouch open

Pouch unfolded.  The loop panels inside have been doubled inside, for the same reason as the change to the front and top flaps.  With a more compact TQ, the pouch can be closed more tightly while still having full engagement between the hook on the side flaps and the loop inside the front flap, while it will still accommodate a larger TQ.  The webbing loop intended for a rubber band has also been rotated from vertical to horizontal, which allows the use of a piece of user-supplied one-wrap to retain the TQ.  Rubber bands will still work, though.

 

Pouch open with CAT

Pouch open with CAT.

 

Pouch open with SOFTT-W

Pouch open with SOFTT-Wide

 

Not shown is that the admin pocket has been eliminated, reducing the profile of the pouch just a bit.  I believe Brian will still be offering this as an option for those who want it.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

Got one that CROZ made up.  So far, it's exactly what's missing in the current market.  Here's a pic of it mounted on a Velocity belt.  There's no extra bulk or bullshit.  There's a flat-packed SOFT-W in there.

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It's really, really good.  The Whiskey Two Four attachment straps are clever and the stretch material works really well to accommodate both the SOFT-W and the CAT.  The way I've got it packed, the tourniquet will still get a little dusty/dirty, but no where near as bad as it did when attached with a rubber band.

 

Here's a pic of the inside showing the elastic straps that close off the ends and hold the tourniquet in place when the pouch is open.

 

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I just got one.  The construction is solid - look forward to wearing it on a training rig.  Equally important for a new manufacturer, the comms were excellent and timely. 

 

I am curious what options to Malice clips guys like, as they didn't come with them.

 

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CROZ,

 

Thanks - looks very interesting.  And the price is right - I'm getting some.

 

Tankersteve

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Personally, I would not trust Velcro for retention of life-saving items. In addition to snag hazards, overpressure from an IED will fling Velcro items far and wide.

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Originally Posted by krax:

Got one that CROZ made up.  So far, it's exactly what's missing in the current market.  Here's a pic of it mounted on a Velocity belt.  There's no extra bulk or bullshit.  There's a flat-packed SOFT-W in there.

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So I guessing this was just a one time deal or is there a source for these that I missed in the thread.The Tac Tron looks good but a little bulkier for CCW. I have been using a 10-11 from Raven Concealment and because it is vertical I have to run it pretty close to my sidearm. Thanks

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Originally Posted by senorlechero:
Sub- please don't quite pictures.

But I want one too, actually I want 2 or 3 of them.
Guys, I have finalized my version of the horizontal pouch using the new WTFIX backers. I have not approached anyone to make them yet but I do have the materials sourced and cut for a few (4-5) in Multicam that I will build myself.   

Changes from the earlier variant are a shortened and marked (with a cross) pull-tab and the new backer.  The backer required another layer of Hypalon to be added but this helped to seal the pouch from the rear.

I also received a Tron Tactical horizontal a little while back and can say that is a very well built and thought-out pouch.  He goes about solving the problem a different way but it certainly works.  It has the added benefit of being more affordable than the few I could make.








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This, this and this...

 

I've been using the D27 admin/TQ pouch for a while now (after sucumbing to the beatings for having exposed TQs), and received one of these in the box of mail...I like it very much.  The D27 provides admin capes that I wasn't really looking for, the best part (of course) was the dynamite design of the horizontal, centerline, high mounted, covered TQ carrier.

 

This new pouch fits exactly what I need (all of the above without the admin pouch...).  The addition of hypalon attachment straps makes an already capable pouch that much more light and capable.  Easily carries CAT/SOF-T/SOF-T W) and gets the TQ up high, clear of magazine draw stroke AND provides a spot for me to rest my chin when I'm taking a nappy nap.

 

An exceedingly well designed, thought out and contstructed piece of kit...you should be beating down Croz's door if this is a capability you need.

" I want half of you over here, half of you over here and the other half of you over there..."

I'm going to give a quick plug here for Croz's pouch, and follow through later when time permits. For what I'm looking for, it is an excellent blend between minimalist and functional, that fully encloses the TQ without being locked into an exact brand or configuration of folding.

Running it high/center over my mag shingle, I appreciate the minimal overhang and lack of obstruction during mag access. Given the materials and worksmanship involved, I find the price excellent. I've already placed an order for several more, whatwith friends still working the pointy end of things and the holiday season near.

I make stuff, and was more then impressed when I first handled one due to the manner in which different materials were brought together.

Jules

I'm using a Maxpedition Cocoon pouch as a vertical TQ holder on one of my plate carriers. It fits CAT, SOFTT and SOFFTW and the full length zipper makes opening the pouch and accessing the TQ very easy. It looks like it could be used horizontally by running SlikClips through the loops on each side of the pouch. If I can find a second SlikClip I will try it our and see how secure it is.

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Slight necro here.

 

Croz - are you making any for order?

 

If not, I can't seem to figure out how to order from Tron. I either get directed to a Facebook site (which I don't have) or some kind of Google log in.

 

 

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Malpaso,

 

If you use the e-mail on Tron's bookface page he will get back to you and tell you he will give you payment if you are interested. I haven't responded and don't have the contact or I would give it to you. It took him about 5 days to get back to me.

 

Bill W.

Originally Posted by Malpaso:

Slight necro here.

 

Croz - are you making any for order?

 

If not, I can't seem to figure out how to order from Tron. I either get directed to a Facebook site (which I don't have) or some kind of Google log in.

 

 

Not until I can get some backers from WTF.  Not in stock right now.  I ordered the two that were stated as in-stock a couple weeks ago but those are claimed.

 

If I can get some before I PCS I may be able to build up a few, but once I move and put the diamond on in March I'm going to spend my time earning the pay grade.  I doubt there will be any sewing going on until I hand a company over.  

 

The idea of having the pouch produced by a real company has been discussed with friends, but I doubt the demand exists for a run of pouches.  If it happens I'll let everyone know.

 

If you need a horizontal pouch now, the Tron Tactical is your best bet.

 

Joined: 9/1/2004          Location: The Big Bend.

Originally Posted by Bill W:

 

If you use the e-mail on Tron's bookface page he will get back to you and tell you he will give you payment if you are interested. I haven't responded and don't have the contact or I would give it to you. It took him about 5 days to get back to me.

 

 

Originally Posted by CROZ3212:

 

If you need a horizontal pouch now, the Tron Tactical is your best bet.

 

Thanks, and thanks.

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There is a prototype with a top-notch manufacturer now, from what I am told.  The company who took the idea to them is awaiting feedback as to whether this can be brought to market for a reasonable fee.

 

As for the small-batch ones, I am pretty much out of the sewing business for the next two years.

Joined: 9/1/2004          Location: The Big Bend.

looking forward to new developments...i have been using the d-27 for 2 years and it suits my needs. But I am def interested in streamlining things without the admin pouch

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Croz, if your interested id be up for doing the sewing side of things that is if yurt out of the sewing side.
 
 Originally Posted by CROZ3212:

There is a prototype with a top-notch manufacturer now, from what I am told.  The company who took the idea to them is awaiting feedback as to whether this can be brought to market for a reasonable fee.

 

As for the small-batch ones, I am pretty much out of the sewing business for the next two years.

 

I finally said screw it and started making my own horizontal TQ pouches. I haven't seen anything on the market that I like (correction - I liked CROZ's model but I didn't always agree with the elastic) so I decided to modify the TQS design:

 

This one's setup for a belt but I've also made several with MOLLE. I'm using #80 thread for now, since it's not a high load pouch, which allows me to reinforce areas without laying on thick #69 thread. The one pictured is a slightly older revision, I've made some minor changes. Big difference from the TQS is the removal of the snap in favor of pure velcro and a modified pull tab to make it easier to open with gloves on.

 

 

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I was going to say, a better pull tab would be more advantageous.  But I see you addressed that in some way.  Any pics of the newer versions?  Maybe attach a small section of loop on the front flap? Are those side wings velcro as well so you can adjust the width to accommodate a SOFTT-W?

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Here's one of the AOR1 belt versions I made with a matching pull instead of the red medical indicator pull:

 

The side wings are velcro to adjust, it can fit a SOFTT but I don't have a -W to check fit with. The biggest difference on the current version is that the color-matched webbing at the base of the pull tab is now stitched flat on all four corners so that it drops the pull tab more out of the way.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

That's a good looking pouch.

 

On the way to my current solution I modded a couple of S&S/TQS pouches in a similar manner.  The side flaps, from the manufacturer, were lacking in security.  The size of the originals was less than ideal as well.  Your addition of velcro on the wings make that "camo net bag" concept really work.

 

Might I ask why you went away from the snap?  I went the opposite direction on mine. Early versions were velcro-only, but belt mounting and moving around on the ground caused some concern so I added a snap.

Joined: 9/1/2004          Location: The Big Bend.

Thank you! I had some concerns about the snap, I've seen two get stuck (different application) and that stuck with me, no pun intended.

 

What I liked about your version was the elastic on either side, because it made the pouch very solid, and the taslan fabric which offered the stretch fitment, but I didn't like the snap so I decided to try this approach instead going back to the TQS/S&S design. I also didn't want to take your concept, since you've developed it so well!

 

Compared to the original I've made the wings about .5" longer and added the velcro underneath, and obviously the pull is different. I'm not sure that pure velcro is the way to go, but it's easy and I don't think it will pose a snag hazard or cause a dumped TQ. I'm playing aorund with 3/4" side release buckles I cut from an LBT 1961 as an alternative additional layer of security (buckle + pull tab) but that may be over thinking what needs to be an immediate access pouch.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

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