Huge ultimate RAID pack thread

Okay bear with me and my maiden photobucket attempt. One shot of the exterior and zippered map pockets, and one of the interior Cordura pockets (which won't be on the production models, but you can dream...)

There are other subtle changes in the pack that weren't worth taking pics of; I'm sure once the 'RAID II' goes online there will be a complete description.





Is it just me or did they lose a row of PALS at the top to make room for the zipper?

Eek They got rid of the top compression straps too!!! I love those things. Although the wider velcro panel would accomodate Canadian nametapes...

I'm not sure how I feel about the slot pockets closing with a zipper now. It would definitely keep SOME items more secure, but what about the ones that are too long or too wide that don't allow the zipper to close? I think keeping the fastex strap OVER the zipper would work much better.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
There's velcro on the Gen 1 RAIDs as well, but it's a different shape (about 4 inches wide and it extends all the way up to the zipper).

There has never been PALS inside the RAID. Stephen explained this way back in the thread. The reasoning was that since most people would just slap on a couple of GP pouches they figured they'd make them standard.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Needles, it looks like the interior straps are removeable, but not gone. Notice the tri-glides inside. THAT is a good idea, Pinky approves.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
+1 on the removable internal straps, the wider velcro, and the zippered front pocket (besides the removal of PALS).

Not so hot on the zippered side pockets or lack of top compression straps, though. Mine usually get tucked in the side hydro/comms ports and stay out of the way, but I did use them on my old Marauder, and probably will with my RAID at times.


EDIT: Looks like they've dropped the plastic keepers on the ends of the zipper pulls, too. Probably a good thing - I yanked 2 pulls off my RAID before I even used it...
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Sorry I meant to say 'more' velcro. I'm willing to trade a row of PALS for a zipper on the flap, but I agree the slot pockets are more functional for the sides. As this was a prototype, I'd imagine there will be additional design tweaks before it goes live. It will be interesting to see what the production model ends up looking like.
It looks like the zipper front pouch will create a large stress area if too much weight is placed in front side pouches. I like the KIfaru pocket style but it looks like the new RAID will have a weak link with that front zipper with no support straps.
quote:
Originally posted by Shamrock:
It looks like the zipper front pouch will create a large stress area if too much weight is placed in front side pouches. I like the KIfaru pocket style but it looks like the new RAID will have a weak link with that front zipper with no support straps.


I dunno what kind of maps you're carrying, but mine are made of paper (laminated if I'm lucky) and they don't usually put much stress on the zipper Razz That is, if I'm lucky enough to be issued a map of the training area. Or if someone forgets to ask for it back

armsdealer: Did you happen to notice if TAG replaced the top two compression straps with some sort of load-lifter straps? Or do the shoulder straps now connect only where the strap meets the bag?

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Pinky,

I think that you misunderstood me. The contents of the map/slot pocket will not be the problem. What could put the stress on the upper zipper are heavy pockets such as those filled with 30rnd mags. With the older Raid, the front of the pack is one solid piece of material while the newer model has the top (highest stress point) as a zipper. Zippers work fine on a pack if you have a support strap to hold the weight but by looking at the newer model there is nothing but a zipper to hold the weight of external pouches. If you put a buckle on the top row of webbing and run a strap over the top it would fix this.
I concur, adding a zipper on the front panel weakens it as the stress is on the zipper.

One very important thing is all "expose" zippers have to be protected by a rain flap to reduce mud, sand and other stuff getting into the teeth.

Personally, I feel that this redesign is two steps backward.
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Adding two little flaps of rubber to protect the zipper does not strengthen it at all, but it does help protect it against the elements.
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
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Yes, it does not do much. Frown

Some companies are reversing the zipper where the "smooth" side is on the outside for easy cleaning and reduce dirt and grime to come into contact with the "teeth".
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I am also quite unimpressed with the looks of these "improvments". The RAID already has an easily-accessible map pocket on the inside behind the upper mesh pocket, so adding one behind the main PALS pannel with an unsupported zipper does not seem like a good idea to me. While I seldom use the compression straps over the top of my RAID (usually routing them inside the antenna ports), they can be very useful for strapping a warm layer or a sleeping pad to the top of the bag. They should not have been omitted. Also, since I almost always carry a Nalgene bottle in one of my RAID's slot pockets, I would be concerned about damaging those little zippers (on the new version) as I cram it in.

If they really wanted to improve the RAID they should have worked on the suspension system, which is (in my opinion) the only thing that keeps the RAID from being outright perfection. **Smiling to myself while fantasizing about a RAID with Marauder suspension**.

These look more like cosmetic changes rather than actual improvements. I wonder why, Hmmm...
A friend of mine was looking to part with an original OD RAID made by Eagle. Condition is used but excellent. He offered it to me first before trying to sell it elsewhere. Why would I turn down such an honor? So, some of my income tax return was invested in what is probably one of the nicest packs I've ever owned.

Anyway, I put on some OD Tactical Tailor Zippered Utility Pouches, an Emdom 4x4 SUV, loaded it up with my bug-out gear, and went for a hike today with my son. It was very comfortable to wear albeit it was not a very long hike. I hope to get out on a 10 miler in the next few weeks up in the mountains and bring this along.


I really like the 2 side-pockets. The left one has swallowed an entire liter Nalgene. The right holds my HAM HT nicely (antenna passes up thru the top, and I can run the mike over to the shoulder strap and clip it to a D ring).


Me overlooking one of New Hampshire's finest mosquito farms in the off-season. Smile


Some more pictures of the pack overlooking some more frozen wetlands.

-Paul D.

Londonderry, NH 

Hey there RAID-heads;

question; my insolent LEG brother just picked up a very nice Eagle ABN RAID - and he doesn't even jump (argh! the insult!) - any of you jumped with a RAID? I noticed it had heaps of "fruitiness" on the pack for the lowering line but it doesn't look like our system...

Please enlighten me on the airborne-worthiness of this rockin' pack..Big Grin
The Red, White and Blue Flag I salute has the Southern Cross on it :)
Does anyone, besides LF sell Gen 1 RAIDs? I want to get one in MC. Thanks.

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Not too impressed with the new RAID either.
The zippers are a BAD idea. especially the one on the front panel. I see blown zippers in the future. and lots of pouches flopping about afterwards.

Steve ____________________________________________ To err is human but to Arrrrrr Is Pirate

I talked to a LF rep yesterday. He said TAG will have the Gen II RAIDS due to patent issues and the Gen I's will still be sold by LF. He said they are expecting a bunch to be in and shipped by the end of March.

 Im not "High Speed", Im "Non-Stick"

I dont like the new TAG ones either. Found an old pic of me and and a raid pack on my way home from kelly barracks in darmstadt germany. the one who finds the raid first gets a cookie Wink



I was Private (e-2) at the time the picture was taken.

By the way, i really like the cooking within us bases!
Actually TAG will be offering both the original RAID(version1) and Version 2. I also think alot of the sniping and complaining about the V2 RAID is a little ridicoulous. Unless you were at SHOT you haven't seen the PACK, only pictures of it. Nalegenes fit and stay in the side pockets as well as they ever have(i just checked). But the real moral of the story is that if you don't like the new version the older version will also be availiable. Retail on the RAID from TAG is $235 and it comes with a waist belt and a hydration bladder from Source.



Nate
V.P. East Coast Operations
Tactical Assault Gear
quote:
Originally posted by nukefaith:
The one who finds the raid first gets a cookie Wink


On the chair on the right side of the pic, with a compresion sac on top. Now where's my cookie, bitch? Cool

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"
Thanks

Standby guys, I should have pics of my RAID up soon, hopefully today.

Cheers,
Pinky
"Fear has its use but cowardice has none." - Mohandas Gandhi I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"

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