I've been a fan of the Osoraku-style blades for years now, and I've been a fan of the CRKT James Williams blades, especially the Hissatsu. Yes, it's 440SS, but the blades are inexpensive & I'm not using them daily. the trainers are cheap, too (~$40):

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Recently, I've acquired these, as well:

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The Otanashi rides in my right side hip pocket, the Shizuka in the trauma plate pocket of my vest. The only difference between the two is size.

I like the simple frame lock design for no other reason then it is probably one of the least likely designs to close on me (in the infentessimal probability) if I ever actually have to use these blades for their original intended purposes.  The additional liner lock... well... lock turns the blades essentially into fixed blade knives.

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Para has recently turned me on to the Williams design blades and I just bought a CRKT Heiho. Basically a slightly scaled down Shizuka. I like it so much I passed my Kershaw Cryo II down to my number 2 son. I did take back a Kershaw Median for an everyday beater/work knife. 

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Well yea it's a bit more than the CRKT knives

Of the CRKT knives I liked the Yukanto, but wished they'd made a bigger version.

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Halfneck posted:

Well yea it's a bit more than the CRKT knives

Of the CRKT knives I liked the Yukanto, but wished they'd made a bigger version.

I liked that one, too, but looking recently, CRKT shows it as "discontinued".  Haven't checked other places for availability, yet.

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Speaking of CRKT I've looked at the Obake that is similar but couldn't pull the trigger due to the fear of my hand slipping forward onto the edge if I'm ever attacked by a cardboard box and need to start sewing machine shanking in defense.

Still like the design.

Image result for crkt obake

MOJONIXON posted:
Halfneck posted:

Well yea it's a bit more than the CRKT knives

Of the CRKT knives I liked the Yukanto, but wished they'd made a bigger version.

I liked that one, too, but looking recently, CRKT shows it as "discontinued".  Haven't checked other places for availability, yet.

A bigger version of the Yukanto might just be an Hissatsu.

The Yukanto is still available thru Amazon for @$70.00.

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stray round posted:

...but couldn't pull the trigger due to the fear of my hand slipping forward onto the edge if I'm ever attacked by a cardboard box and need to start sewing machine shanking...

With that resin-impregnated traditional grip (and your thumb over the "pommel"), you could dip your hand and motor oil, stab that thing though quarter inch steel plate, and your hand still won't slip forward. 

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parapyropig posted:
stray round posted:

...but couldn't pull the trigger due to the fear of my hand slipping forward onto the edge if I'm ever attacked by a cardboard box and need to start sewing machine shanking...

With that resin-impregnated traditional grip (and your thumb over the "pommel"), you could dip your hand and motor oil, stab that thing though quarter inch steel plate, and your hand still won't slip forward. 

Stray Round - I don't have the Obake, but I do have the custom Luc Burnley that the Obake was based on.  To clarify Para's statement, in a Reverse Grip your hand is locked in. It's still freaky, but the cord wrapped handles offer a secure grip. I'd not be as confident in a fencer's or hammer grip stabbing into something though.

Re: the Yukanto - I think I've even seen them for around $65 on some knife distributors.

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MG in TX posted:

My neighbor/friend Paul (as in Howe) is a long time friend of James & IIRC even had him to CSAT for a class years ago, hope he spots this thread & perhaps will weigh in as well.

I too was turned on to the Williams Design by Paul.  I carry the Otanashi strong side and a Heiho for formal occasions where I find myself "other than jeans/shorts"  My favorite attribute is  how deep in the pocket they sit.  No tell tale handle sticking out, just the clip.   They are hard to see in dark pants and for less permissive environments, the Heiho disappears in an appendix carry behind a belt.   

Dusty black coat and a red right hand.

After getting a Heiho about a week or so ago, I like how it disappears but at the same time wanted something a touch bigger so I ordered an Hissatsu folder today.  

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My Hissatsu folder arrived Friday so my small Williams collection is now 2 knives. 

Now the question becomes, doing my research prior to a foray into California on Saturday, I see where "Spring loaded" knives are basically a no go. Does any one know or understand CA. law well enough to know if a "Spring assisted " knife is the same as a "Spring loaded" knife?

My gut feeling and knowing somewhat of CA law on these issues is that they are the same. I would like to know with a  certainty as the way the laws are written much misinterpretation can occur at all levels of possible contact there. If that is the case I will just take my Kershaw  Cryo II, unless that is considered "Spring loaded" as well. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. 

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From talking with a patrol guy in terms of CA specifics on knives with spring mechanisms the difference is basically the emphasis on manual-assisted. A switchblade (worthless for real life stuff anyways) or an automatic knife requires no effort from the user to deploy the blade with the exception on a button/switch. Virtually all other "spring-assisted" knives that most of us here carry are manual-assisted knives, meaning you the user have the use manual force to push the blade/thumbstud out to engage the spring mechanism. Again, I'm no expert on the matter, but after talking with an officer whose booked in more knives than a Kershaw factory I have confidence in that information. I'm sure we have  CA LFer here that can cite the specific legal-ese that spells it out. 

A side-note, before back when I was a police property specialist, I'd always hear of veteran officers complain about either their FTO recruits or just new guys in general always entering/labeling any folding knife as a switchblade. Mainly because if it ever went to court the DA would be pissed that the charge was wrong due to the weapon not being illegal (regular manual folder).

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Thanks, brother. 

Logically I was thinking along those lines, but knowing what little I do know my gut was saying the opposite. 

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Not a problem, as you would suspect CA laws for the most part make no sense at all. A small 2" fixed blade neck knife carried concealed is a worse offense than carrying an unloaded concealed firearm. Most veteran patrol guys I run into know the difference between automatic knives and spring-assisted, partly due to their experience and them doing the homework and paying out of pocket for duty-rated knives.

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I noticed that all of the fasteners on both the Shiz & Otan are hex, but the pocket clips are torx.

I'm going to end up disassembling, cleaning (degreasing), and applying blue Loctite to the main pivot pin on my Otan - it's loosening during repeated use.

I keep the pins in all my folders tight enough so that there's enough resistance to require a deliberate effort to open them & ensure there's no play between the handle and blade when open.

Being OCD about gear PM, I detail strip my blades the moment I can't clean out the detritus with Q-Tips / compressed air. - It's a thing...

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parapyropig posted:

I noticed that all of the fasteners on both the Shiz & Otan are hex, but the pocket clips are torx.

I'm going to end up disassembling, cleaning (degreasing), and applying blue Loctite to the main pivot pin on my Otan - it's loosening during repeated use.

I keep the pins in all my folders tight enough so that there's enough resistance to require a deliberate effort to open them & ensure there's no play between the handle and blade when open.

Being OCD about gear PM, I detail strip my blades the moment I can't clean out the detritus with Q-Tips / compressed air. - It's a thing...

The clips on both the Heiho and Hissatsu folder are Torx. The Heiho's are T-6. Already stripped the heads out. I hate Torx with a passion, especially freaking tiny ones. The Hissatsu folder is a single Torx and much bigger. Haven't sized it yet.  All others are Torx. FMR. 

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Missed the edit window. The use of Torx fasteners has not diminished my passion for the Williams designs. Thanks Para for turning me on to them. 

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parapyropig posted:

Hmmmmm...image

That has my attention as do the Shinbu and Hisshou blades. But will probably spring for a Yukanto first. I think the Shinbu and Hisshou are presentation grade blades hence their higher price. 

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MOJONIXON posted:

The use of Torx fasteners has not diminished my passion for the Williams designs. 

I don't know if it's due to the Torx shitty design (especially the smaller ones), but it feels like when I use my Leatherman bit-kit Torx on either CRKT, Emerson or other brands' pocket clips it feels often they strip the screws. Does anyone know if you're supposed to be using a different/softer metal Torx tool? 

It wasn't too much of a problem with my CRKT Hissastu folder, but more with the super small pocket clips screws on my Zero Tolerance and Emerson (after-market deep carry clip).

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montgomerygentryFan posted:
MOJONIXON posted:

The use of Torx fasteners has not diminished my passion for the Williams designs. 

I don't know if it's due to the Torx shitty design (especially the smaller ones), but it feels like when I use my Leatherman bit-kit Torx on either CRKT, Emerson or other brands' pocket clips it feels often they strip the screws. Does anyone know if you're supposed to be using a different/softer metal Torx tool? 

It wasn't too much of a problem with my CRKT Hissastu folder, but more with the super small pocket clips screws on my Zero Tolerance and Emerson (after-market deep carry clip).

Not sure about the softer metal for the driver but it couldn't hurt. 

My Hissatsu folder isn't an issue. It's the Heiho's pocket clip with its tiny T-6 screws. 

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Used my Otan on Friday to  deflate the tires on a Malibu that got bananaed after it pulled out in front of & got T-boned by a big work van.  This was done to stabilize the wreck before my fellow firefighters begin to disassemble the car to get to the entrapped driver. 

I learned that the most effective way of knifing a tire is to insert the blade into the tires' sidewall perpendicular to the tires' radius.  Nearly explosive and rapid deflation follows.  Inserting the blade into the sidewall parallel to the radius does result in a leak, but not rapid deflation.

I was surprised at what little effort it took to insert the blade all the way to the handle.

Not a mark on the blade afterwards, either.

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parapyropig posted:

Used my Otan on Friday to  deflate the tires on a Malibu that got bananaed after it pulled out in front of & got T-boned by a big work van.  This was done to stabilize the wreck before my fellow firefighters begin to disassemble the car to get to the entrapped driver. 

I learned that the most effective way of knifing a tire is to insert the blade into the tires' sidewall perpendicular to the tires' radius.  Nearly explosive and rapid deflation follows.  Inserting the blade into the sidewall parallel to the radius does result in a leak, but not rapid deflation.

I was surprised at what little effort it took to insert the blade all the way to the handle.

Not a mark on the blade afterwards, either.

Seems like a perpendicular approach would be easier to get a good puncture "wound" as opposed to a parallel approach which would give you more of slash "wound". Or am I misinterpreting your meaning?

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Radius extends from the center outwards.  So parallel with the radius would mean the cut would be in line with the radius.  Perpendicular would be 90 degrees from that and essentially parallel to the tire's tread.  No idea while one direction over the other would make a difference.   I've only had one occasion to puncture a tire and as I recall, it was the "perpendicular" thrust.  I never did one "parallel" to the radius so I'm lacking practical experience.  And frankly, I'm not going to try and do a search for differences in how the pressure is released depending on the orientation.

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Off Topic...kinda... I've had pretty good luck just latching onto the valve stem with a pair of channel locks or vicegrips and ripping it out. 

Don't ask me why, but somehow the person with the folded/spindled/mutilated vehicle seems to digest this better than if I got stabby on the sidewall.

I've also heard that when a ghettopottamus comes out to their escalade (parked in the Handicap only spot with the door open, stereo booming) -and finds all four of their valve stems sitting on their windshield wipers- they can get quite animated... most of which you may need an interpreter to understand..

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The 440 steel is pretty immaterial in the way that James suggested usage of these blades, at least back in the day.   His preferred method of carry for the fixed blade while kitted up was vertical hilt up in the center of the chest behind his chest rig.   Preferred targets were the holes between the clavicle and the neck, and the blade length was designed to, in his words "get down into the goodies" i.e. the major vessels or the heart itself.   The point does the work.

Slight lane veer as that chest rig (an Eagle Paul creation) carry location mirrors where Paul used to carry *one* of his Hissatsu's & William's  "get down into the goodies" comment could have easily been stated by Paul as well.

As I'm sure CWS726 also recalls, those fellas were buds from back in the day, I expect  they still are & now back to the OP's topic.

 

 

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Ed Calderon of "Ed's Manifesto" had a small nod to James Williams and his Yukanto CRKT on bookface yesterday touting its minimalist design.  Seems like a super concealable fixed and is a straight up Samurai shank. 

I dig the manifesto. 

 

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invictus066 posted:

I've carried the hissatsu folder on duty for seven years and after I reground the edge it is a stabby sharp knife!  My +1 on James Williams designs!

Regarding the original Hissatsu folder, I'm not sure if anyone else here had a problem with the spring-assisted mechanism being a bitch and 1/2 to deploy. The pocket clip on mine was also easily prone to getting bent or loose despite being tightened down. On a friend's folder (same exact model) it was easy to engage the blade as a Zero Tolerance or Kershaw. Mine however wouldn't budge, even after applying a little Slip2000.  However a couple years I bought the CRKT Otanashi (non spring-assisted) which I liked much more. It has a slimmer profile, lighter weight and due to the G10 you get a much more positive grip even when it's wet.

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montgomerygentryFan posted:
invictus066 posted:

I've carried the hissatsu folder on duty for seven years and after I reground the edge it is a stabby sharp knife!  My +1 on James Williams designs!

Regarding the original Hissatsu folder, I'm not sure if anyone else here had a problem with the spring-assisted mechanism being a bitch and 1/2 to deploy. The pocket clip on mine was also easily prone to getting bent or loose despite being tightened down. On a friend's folder (same exact model) it was easy to engage the blade as a Zero Tolerance or Kershaw. Mine however wouldn't budge, even after applying a little Slip2000.  However a couple years I bought the CRKT Otanashi (non spring-assisted) which I liked much more. It has a slimmer profile, lighter weight and due to the G10 you get a much more positive grip even when it's wet.

I've not had any issues with mine opening right handed. My Heiho is the same. They both open with ease and a quickness. The only trouble comes when I try to open them left handed, but, me having only one fully functioning hand (my right) due to my stroke deficits, its no real surprise nor is it a knife issue.  

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Yes, my Hissatsu was a bitch to open when it was new and getting used to the different push to open (pushing towards the blade pivot instead of out from the handle).  Now it's smooth as silk.

I do intend to pick up the Otanashi as I like the "pocket sword" blade length.

invictus066 posted:

Yes, my Hissatsu was a bitch to open when it was new and getting used to the different push to open (pushing towards the blade pivot instead of out from the handle).  Now it's smooth as silk.

I do intend to pick up the Otanashi as I like the "pocket sword" blade length.

When making my purchases I did check the specs on most of the blades but had forgotten how large the Otanashi is. Blade length is roughly 5/8" longer than the Hissatsu folder. I think Para pointed out to me at some point recently that it is basically a Yukanto folder in size. 

I still want me some of that Yukanto goodness. 

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So for some silly Homer D’oh moment I sold my Heiho to my buddy at work. He loved it from the moment he saw it. 

I have since replaced it and will not be stupid again. 

I have also trained my nearly useless left thumb to be able to open both the Heiho and my Hissatsu folder. It took a lot of work and much pain in a hand that does not fully function, but I found a way to push through it and make it happen. 

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invictus066 posted:

I've carried the hissatsu folder on duty for seven years and after I reground the edge it is a stabby sharp knife!  My +1 on James Williams designs!

Ok, interested in this, how did you regrind the edge? I carry the Hissatsu on duty and love it, just getting is sharp after I dulled it has been an issue, its sharp don't get me wrong but it isn't scary sharp like it was when new. I realize it is me not doing something right but...help?

scott oldham posted:
invictus066 posted:

I've carried the hissatsu folder on duty for seven years and after I reground the edge it is a stabby sharp knife!  My +1 on James Williams designs!

Ok, interested in this, how did you regrind the edge? I carry the Hissatsu on duty and love it, just getting is sharp after I dulled it has been an issue, its sharp don't get me wrong but it isn't scary sharp like it was when new. I realize it is me not doing something right but...help?

I’ve got the same issue with my Hissatsu folder. I dulled it pretty bad at work  It’s sharp but not as sharp as I would like.  I’m looking at getting an angle guide to keep it at about 20 degrees and use a rougher grit stone to start. Then pretty fine, then hone and then maybe strop it as well. 

All of my other blades I can get shaving sharp quickly but not this one. It is a bit frustrating. It is still very pointy/stabby and the front half of the blade is almost where I want it, it’s the back half I’m really having trouble with and I don’t want to have to take it to someone to get me squared away. 

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