Just because guns

 

 

 I know some people here and on other forums think if you own anything more then two G19's and two AR's, you're not a "serious" shooter/gunfighter/martial artist/whathaveyou.

 

 Well, if Ken Hackathorn can have something like 30+ 1911's, Pat Rogers can have Colt SAA's and LAV can have a fucking MG34..I can have a few fuck around guns, just because, just for shits and giggles, or I think they are cool.

 

 I've got some guns that serve a purpose, like Anschutz .22's, .223 & 308 bolt guns, that serve a real purpose, I suppose, but I'm going to start showing some guns that really don't...I suppose I could make one up, or shoe horn them into a role, but who am I kidding, I like guns and I like to shoot. If that means I'm not serious...oh well....but I know what I do for a living.

 

 So..

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This is a S&W 65, that someone tried to build a sort of PPC/Bullseye gun out of. It actually belongs to a friend and fellow LFer. It's pretty loose and the rail is off center. I mounted the 2X scope and shot some groups. Not so great, but, I'll find a smith to send it off to and see if it can salvaged.

 Purpose:

 Shooting small groups with 38Spl wadcutter ammo. Maybe hunting with magnum ammo, or shooting zombies in the head at a more tactically advantageous range.

 

 

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 S&W 585 Silhouette

 I just got this in today. They stopped making them in '91 I think. It has a 4 position adjustable front sight. I'll probably zero it at 25, 50, 75 & 100yds with magnums ....or 7, 15, 25 & 50 with Match ammo.

 Original Davis PPC grips are enroute, or I'll go with Hogues. I might add a Weigand rear target blade. And eventually send it off to the Performance center for a Master action package and bead blast finish.

Purpose...pretty much the same as above...the hell of it....I need a holster for it...Rick can eat his heart out!!

 

More to follow..

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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Nice.  I have gotten heavy back into revolvers.  Souless polymer guns are disposable work tools.  Good call on the Davis Grips to go all PPC retro.  

I was at a LE instructor conference in Georgia recently.  Lots of older dudes.  Several of these guys in their 60's and 70's came by and wanted to shoot my HK VP9.  HOLY CRAP! These guys would never star in a Magpul video, but they could sit and simply make little itty bitty groups at 15 yards.  Turns out talking to them later that PPC was HUGE in their area and many of these guys were very top level shooters in their day.  Shows what well established fundementals of pressing a trigger can translate to even when you are hobbling around in your senior years.  I am practicing now for this phase of life.  

I just dropped a pair of NY-1 Model 64's off with Jason Burton at heirloom precision for conversion into "HiTS Home Defense Revolvers"............well at least that is how I justified it.

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 H&R Handi rifle in .357 magnum

 

 I got the idea for this rifle when I saw the AAC 300BO at a John McPhee class.

 My first thought was, a .30Carbine version would be cool. But, if a handi was ever made in 30carbine they are impossible to find, or custom. Then I thought .357..to match my 3" M13..

I found one at a show for about $225, and sent the barrel to Accurate Ordnance to be cut and threaded at 16". I added the youth stock and a weaver rail adapter at the sling attachment point.

 It's about 29" long.

 I've went back and forth on optics. I put an old Redfield fixed 2.5X on it, but it's 10" long and ruins the gun. Tried different stocks, etc. The hammer being in the way, makes mounting a scope, especially with a short LOP a PITA, unless you want it way high.

 If I thought it would be worth the effort, I'd almost try a Trijicon 1.5X mini acog.

 

 Purpose...after watching Carl shoot walkers from the walkway of the prison, I think this with a can would be pretty good, and ammo matches dad's gun.

 Realistically...its short it can fit in a pack, break down even smaller with one large screw. Has few parts, and no mag to loose. A variety of ammo, from subsonic WC and ball to Buffalo Bore 180grn that are more like a 30/30. Not a bad kids rifle, backpacking/camping gun, or truck gun if you're out 4 wheeling.

 

 I'll probably paint it, and may try the ATI M4 stock. And look for a battery free optic.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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 DB,

 I'd like to know more about those revolvers. I saw your thread over at PT, but I'm not a member so can't see most of the pics.

 I have a M13 3" I want to send off to the PC center for the combat revolver package. and a 3" SB M36 j frame, I'd like to send to Karl Sokol for a similar makeover...it's pretty beat up.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

 

 FWB 100

 If you think you can shoot a handgun, try this bitch at 10mtrs...or the 6 I can get in my hallway.

 I bought this to shoot in the hallway of my apt. I should shoot it more, but it's to humbling for my ego.

 

 It is a single stroke pneumatic Olympic level match air pistol. No air taks to buy or recharge, and keep up with. I can pack it in a case with a tin of pellets and targets and shoot all day long. I wanted to rig up a pelican case so the lid is lined with metal to act as a backstop. So, just open the case, hang a target on the lid, and I can shoot when I'm traveling.

 

Purpose: aggravation..

 Actually, it is a very good trainer for sight alignment/picture and follow through.

 I still haven't shot a group worth taking a picture of, with it.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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My latest project is a "Just Because Gun"

Its a Enfield No1 MkIII .45acp with integral 

suppressor. All work was done by me, except

the 1911 magazine adaptor which is from SIA.

Yep it's quiet and fun to shoot, the resounding

thud of the 230gr hitting its mark brings a smile. 

One of those pork eating infidels.

Just because....yes...I kind of like that concept so here's my just because...

 

A Mosin Nagant Jungle Carbine with a overall barrel length of 16.75", fun to shoot with negligible recoil compared to a standard Mosin Nagant.

 

ETA: My gunsmith removed the barrel from the receiver and turned it on the lathe, then he pinned/welded the reproduction Enfield Jungle Carbine front sight/flash hider assembly; my gunsmith had a tool break while making this and ended up in the ER with a bunch of stitches...big tip for him on this build.

 

 

Not sure why this close up pic is bluish.

 

 

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Originally Posted by S.E.G:

My latest project is a "Just Because Gun"

Its a Enfield No1 MkIII .45acp with integral 

suppressor. All work was done by me, except

the 1911 magazine adaptor which is from SIA.

Yep it's quiet and fun to shoot, the resounding

thud of the 230gr hitting its mark brings a smile. 

 

I shot one of those once, very cool !!! 

 

 

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Joined: 4/22/09          Location: WI

I went through a period of being interested in Eastern Bloc pistols chambered in 9x18mm Makarov, just because. I still have a Polish P-64, a P-83 Wanad, a Makarov, and a CZ 82. They are all interesting little range toys. I still kind of want a FEG PA-63...

 

I also have a Luger 9mm that I get a kick out of taking to the range. The serial numbers don't match and the original mag is shot (good thing Mec-gar makes replacements). It sill makes a good conversation piece and it's one of those guns I'll never sell.

 

 

 

 

Joined: 10/16/10  Location: WA

Bob, I just dropped this off at Robar with Freddie Blish.  I should get it back at SHOT show.  When its done, if you like it, Robar would be a good option on your 13.  NP3 makes cleaning the wheelguns a lot easier, and they don't get rusty.

 

 

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Love the one thing I bothered to NP3. Really, really amazing finish.

 

And... I seem to have never uploaded the photos so nothing to share.

 

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My "just because" gun.

 

 

This is what I traded my shitty Lancaster AK for at a pawn shop. Loads of fun. .308, has a relatively mild kick to it, and able to hit a 6"steel plate from the prone (supported off the violin case) at 100m.

 

Custom holster off of a Safariland drop leg rig made by Werkz holsters, back when he was still local. This is rigged high enough so that I can take a knee and not plant the muzzle in the dirt.

 

My dad and I collected surplus military rifles, starting when you could send $100 to SARCO and get a Mauser of some variety in great shape and 100 rounds of surplus ammo.  We later expanded into handguns.  I have a bunch of "just because" milsurps because they used to be cheap and the quality workmanship of a century ago's pretty amazing.

"Hold my beer and watch this"

I don't have a picture to post at this time, but I've got a 7.63mm C96 "broom handle" Mauser. Still need to find some stripper clips and get some ammo for it.

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Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

Originally Posted by dan187:

I don't have a picture to post at this time, but I've got a 7.63mm C96 "broom handle" Mauser. Still need to find some stripper clips and get some ammo for it.

5.56mm (M16/M4/AR15) stripper clips should work.

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Originally Posted by dan187:

I don't have a picture to post at this time, but I've got a 7.63mm C96 "broom handle" Mauser. Still need to find some stripper clips and get some ammo for it.

 

I had one of those too, just because I thought it was a cool design. Assembly/disassembly is like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.  The only screw it has is to hold the grips on.

 

 

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Joined: 4/22/09          Location: WI

Well this started out as a working gun.  EDC'd this bad boy in a drop leg holster all summer as a fishing guide for 5 or 6 years in the '90s.  Now it's a just because gun, I've tried to bring myself to sell it more than once but always chickened out, too much history.

 

"Shoot him twice here, once there, put the bodies in there, repeat as necessary." Marvin

Originally Posted by Dorsai:

5.56mm (M16/M4/AR15) stripper clips should work.

I had not heard that, thanks for the tip.

 

 

Originally Posted by Rob_Frey:

 I had one of those too, just because I thought it was a cool design. Assembly/disassembly is like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.  The only screw it has is to hold the grips on.

There is a reason I have only fully disassembled it one time.

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Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

Originally Posted by S.E.G:

My latest project is a "Just Because Gun"

Its a Enfield No1 MkIII .45acp with integral 

suppressor

 

I... we can't be friends.

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I had a Broomhandle Mauser for a while and stupidly got rid of it (like the Bushmaster Armpistol I just just sold because even with GI Bill being in college sucks). I could fit the 7.63mm rounds for my Mauser on the M16 stripper clips but the stripper clip wouldn't hold the bolt back effectively and the rounds were in the clip so tight that they wouldn't slide off without a large amount of force. They simply didn't work very well for me, sample of one. I ended up getting on stripper clip at a gunshow to load it.

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Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

Originally Posted by nyeti:

Bob, I just dropped this off at Robar with Freddie Blish.  I should get it back at SHOT show.  When its done, if you like it, Robar would be a good option on your 13.  NP3 makes cleaning the wheelguns a lot easier, and they don't get rusty.

 

 

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 DB,

 Nice, are those Nill's?

 Here is mine. I traded a no dash 4" 586 for it. I tried the Hogue snap on Bantam grip, but like this Compac grips better.

 

 

 

 

 

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 Here's another round gun. Colt DiamondBack .38spl

I rescued this from a Police Supply shop. It was/is in rough shape with patch of nickel discolored badly. Probably from where the pimp bitch slapped his ho, or the hennesy spilled on it.

 It shot OK, but I sold it to a Colt collector of sorts at a gunshow. Got what I paid for it, so, I'm just glad it went to a nice home.

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 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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 Rat,

 I'm digging the Contender. I considered one in 30/30.

 

 If I had put more thought & research into the H&R, I would have gotten a 30/30 and sent it to the factory to have a 357 barrel fitted. The recievers for the pistol calibers and shotguns are not strong enough for the centerfire rounds, so not an option now.

 Either way, I think H&R discontinued the 30/30 and 357, probably the two best calibres for that gun...go figure.

 

 Desert Eagle...lol...they found a 357 DE in the burnout latrine when I was in Haiti about '95/6...

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Originally Posted by lt4life:

Well this started out as a working gun.  EDC'd this bad boy in a drop leg holster all summer as a fishing guide for 5 or 6 years in the '90s.  Now it's a just because gun, I've tried to bring myself to sell it more than once but always chickened out, too much history.

 

Love it! I want one of these original models in the satin hard chrome. If nothing else, Ill put it in a chest bandolier to freak out my chief..."oh this little thing...? Just my off duty carry rig.."

 

Seriously, the Desert Eagle is on my short list. I am a product of the 80's and 90's and this and the P7M13 were always on my "want" list.

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Just because...well...I was an idiot. (Yes, even more so than now.  Wiseasses)

 

American Derringer Model 2 pen pistol.  If it would fire in a straight configuration, it would be an AOW and subject to NFA rules.  Because it "transforms" into a pistol shape of sorts, it's just a handgun.

 

It is very heavy for its size as it is solid SS but I've carried it in a shirt pocket with no issues.  It is chambered in .25ACP.   You unscrew the chamber part, insert the round and screw it back in.  Totally safe to carry loaded as it is not cocked until you do the bendy thing. 

 

It is on a heavy spring.  You pull it apart like you are stretching it and then in bends into the pistol shape.  As you do that, it cocks and the trigger pops out.  The trigger is odd in that you place your forefinger UNDER it and flick UP.  Very unusual motion but hey how many times are you going to touch this thing off? 

 

Recoil is brisk.  The sleeve, outer box, inner box and manual all have labels warning you not to blow your finger off.  Of course the first time I fired it, I almost blew my finger off.  Go figure.

 

I saw it on display 20 years ago and took it home.  I've done worse but they were usually women, not guns.

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Consigliere.  I had no idea you could actually buy something like that. It might be useless but its pretty friggen cool none the less.

 

My last just cause/ impluse buy was a WW2 German K 43, I love the guns from this war and they have a bad habit of following me home.

 

 

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That 29 is one of my "bucket list" guns.   A friends father had one years ago that he took us shooting.    I still remember the flame jetting out of the cylinder from some of his jackass hand loads.  

 

As for me, getting touch with my inner cowboy...I have a .22 henry lever action and 22 single action revolver that are my favorite guns to shoot.   If I could only find some ammo...

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My CMP M1 is one of my favorite just fun to shoot guns

This CMP 03 also lets you get in the way back machine. They could both be used to problem solve but if I had a choice I would use my ARs.

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Originally Posted by Desk_jockey:

I have a .22 henry lever action

That is also my "just because" gun.  I have the Frontier model with the octagon barrel. Fun to shoot and great looking.

 

I plan to buy my sons Henry youth lever action rifles as their first guns.  We don't hunt, so they will be "just because" guns that I hope they will hold on to and pass down to their children.

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My "Just because" is a Mosin 91/30 in a black monte carlo stock, which I bought mostly so the damn steel plate would stop trying to shatter my collarbone.

 

I keep gettign the stupid idea to chop it down to 16", face and crown the barrel with stuff around the house, because fuck it, and turn it into a short little brush gun, right now it's 50/50 between that and putting it back into it's wood and getting a recoil pad.

 

Missing my top handguard though, must've got lost in the move.

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Joined: 5/1/2007          Location: Illinois, USA

Originally Posted by Bones357:

       
Originally Posted by Desk_jockey:

I have a .22 henry lever action

That is also my "just because" gun.  I have the Frontier model with the octagon barrel. Fun to shoot and great looking.

 

I plan to buy my sons Henry youth lever action rifles as their first guns.  We don't hunt, so they will be "just because" guns that I hope they will hold on to and pass down to their children.


       


Is any company making a .22LR lever gun that is similar in size to my Marlin 336SDT trapper? Cuz I'd be ALL over that shit.

The alternative is to buy one similar in size and have the barrel chopped and the front sight reaffixed. Maybe send Barry some of my money.

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by S.E.G:

My latest project is a "Just Because Gun"

Its a Enfield No1 MkIII .45acp with integral 

suppressor. All work was done by me, except

the 1911 magazine adaptor which is from SIA.

Yep it's quiet and fun to shoot, the resounding

thud of the 230gr hitting its mark brings a smile. 

A modern take on the DeLisle.  Fuck yes

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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw207:
Is any company making a .22LR lever gun that is similar in size to my Marlin 336SDT trapper? Cuz I'd be ALL over that shit.

The alternative is to buy one similar in size and have the barrel chopped and the front sight reaffixed. Maybe send Barry some of my money.

 

So I'm one of the guys in the camp that thinks that the Marlin 39a is the single-greatest .22LR lever action in existence.  I've shot Brownings and 9422s and Henrys, and they're all a hoot.  But for a family heirloom, last for generations rifle the 39a is hard to beat IMO.

 

The standard 39 is pretty close to a full-size lever action.  Kind of partway between a normal .22LR rifle a 336.  However, they used to make trapper versions (Mountie, among others) that are the cat's ass.  You'll need to dig around a little to find one, and it won't be particularly cheap.  Probably $500 and up.  Both pistol and straight-stock variations are out there, depending on what you like.

 

Or, find a stock 24" 39a and get the barrel/mag tube cut down.  Probably a similar cost vs. a Mountie at the end of the day. 

 

The other .22 leverguns are great if you want to go that route, but the 39a is pretty special.  If I were limited to one .22, I would ditch everything else in a heartbeat and keep the 39. 

 

 

"Speed's fine, but accuracy is final" - Bill Jordan

Just Because Gun #1

 

Scott, McDougall and Associates was a NorCal based gunsmith house back in the day.  They were active on CompuServe (kind of dates this to the mid-1990's) gun and police only forums.  A buddy was hot to get a Colt Mustang .380 ACP, so I went along, then sent it off to SM&A for a full treatment (they did 1911's also).  Great work, action job, trigger job, dehorn and bevel, Novak night sights (Bar-Dot, also old school) and Wolff springs.  Runs smooth at sh!t, accurate as it could be.  Cost of gun, about $300, cost of work, almost twice that, utility, very low, it's still a .380, but it sure looks good, like a baby 1911.

 

 

Just Because Gun #2

 

In the 1980's Calf. and SoCal was actually gun friendly, the Pomona Fairgrounds gunshots were epic (real Kar98 Sniper Rifles, G41's, all things HK and AR) and a number of very good local gun shops in the South Bay of LA.  Got the S&W 25-5 there, a used gun with Hogue wood grips, in .45LC.  Smooth as silk double action pull and a sweet shooter.  Shows a little holster wear from the prior user, but that just adds character!

 

 

#1 - All flash no real bang, #2 All bang and a real joy to use at a range with shooters who think firearms began with a poly semi!  

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I really love my McDougall Mustang. I picked it up at a gunshow for less than the other tables were selling Colt Mustangs for. Its my "drop in a pocker if I have nothing else" gun. If you EVER get tired of yours and wish to lighten your load, please let me know!
 
 
Originally Posted by B0308:
 

Just Because Gun #1

 

Scott, McDougall and Associates was a NorCal based gunsmith house back in the day. They were active on CompuServe (kind of dates this to the mid-1990's) gun and police only forums. A buddy was hot to get a Colt Mustang .380 ACP, so I went along, then sent it off to SM&A for a full treatment (they did 1911's also). Great work, action job, trigger job, dehorn and bevel, Novak night sights (Bar-Dot, also old school) and Wolff springs. Runs smooth at sh!t, accurate as it could be. Cost of gun, about $300, cost of work, almost twice that, utility, very low, it's still a .380, but it sure looks good, like a baby 1911.

Location Texas.

 

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com cam guy,

 

Gotta cha, however even though it doesn't have great merit as a real defense gun, it's a sweet little piece.  Should i decide to sell it, I'll let you know, but I'll probably hold it for a while longer!

 

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