I inherited a Remington Model 11, mfg in 1907.  It needs some serious restoration as the stock is loose and the shell stops are worn.  Rounds won't stay in the magazine.  I remember my father hunting rabbits with it one winter and he had to single load it for every shot.



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Bill, Idaho posted:

For the last handful of years, I renewed my interest in Browning A5's.  .... and now a couple of safes are being held down by A5's inside. 

Those old A5s have a soul.  Unfortunately I got interested in them a year or two after they were discontinued.   Mine are users and nothing special.     If I had more money...

JMB sure got it right and in my opinion still the peak of autoloading shotguns.







Mog, going back to my research notes, Gault had Hamer’s .25 Remington not a .35.  Hamer did the lords work with that .25 in numerous shootings and some amazing feats of marksmanship.  It was those displays that influenced Remington to give Hamer the engraved one in .30 Rem.  

A lot of information came from Hamer’s son in old interviews.  His son was also a Ranger.  I would never call him a liar, but he is recollecting stuff from a very longtime before the interviews.  The model 81 is a very good example.  He said his dad got one “for” the Bonnie and Clyde chase.  The reality was he got one “because” of Bonnie and Clyde to use during strike breaking years later.  Also, a lot of the “Colt .45” stuff came from a single interview with a reporter. The press and guns in the 1930’s was no better than now.  Where everything today is a “Glock” or an “AK47” nothing was different then.  Hamer’s wife from an interview just after his death said the Hamer would not go from the kitchen to the dining room without Old Lucky tucked in hiss waistband.  He had Old Lucky when he approached the vehicle after the initial shooting.  So, when he told the reporter that he had his “.45 Colt”that was simply taken as a Colt 45 1911.  Terminology in that era was also different from modern day to describe things.  

Also, Hamer was an amazing marksman, but very limited in the guns he used.  None of the guys involved were really “gun dudes”.  Talking to most cops then about technical gun stuff than it is today.  Honestly, these guys were basically using their hunting guns.  Oakley actually borrowed his .35 Rem. Model 8 from a wealthier Dentist friend because the Dentist let Oakley use it to hunt with so he was familiar with the gun and how and where it shot....which makes good sense.

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mog posted:

A good article on Frank Hamer's Remington 8


The website is a wealth of information on the 8 & 81

And some more on his guns https://www.americanrifleman.o...er-legendary-lawman/

It is also interesting that after the Kansas City Massacre  https://www(dot)fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/kansas-city-massacre-pretty-boy-floyd the FBI bought a bunch that were 'special'  http://thegreatmodel8.remingto...ety.com/?page_id=867

"The Kansas City Massacre changed the FBI. Prior to this event the agency did not have authority to carry firearms (although some agents reportedly did) and make arrests (they could make a "citizen's arrest", then call a U.S. Marshal or local law officer), but a year later Congress gave the FBI statutory authority to carry guns and make arrests (in May and June 1934). The FBI acquired their first Thompson submachine guns and Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifles. But, after requesting that Remington Arms provide a replacement for the Winchester, the agency later adopted specially modified variants of the Remington Model 81 semi-automatic rifle."

From the book Go Down Together: The True, Untold Story of Bonnie and Clyde by Jeff Guinn


 One of the posse members, Ted Hinton wrote a book 'Ambush', and in that he said that two of the 1911s were .38 Supers.

While the FBI didn't get authorization to make arrests/carry firearms until the early/mid '30s, the first gov't agency to purchase the Thompson was the US Postal Inspection Service, arguably one of the two oldest Fed LE agencies.

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