KAC PVS-30 Like New Refurb Review/Info

These have been on the market for a while now and unfortunately there is very little out there review wise on them. I feel there are a lot of guys out there ready and really wanting to pull the trigger on one but have not because of the lack of reviews. I'm by no means a night vision expert, but I'll give my 2 cents worth.

If you are thinking about buying one, DO IT!

I was very leary of buying one because of it being a military trade in. Especially dropping $4800ish on one sight unseen. I started to order one from a online vendor half the country away and have it shipped but after a bit of digging I found a like new unit in stock within driving distance of me. I called the fine folks at Ready Made Resources in Tellico Plains, TN and the owner was kind enough to hold me one for a day so that I could drive up and check it out.

I knew within 15 seconds of getting it in my hand I would purchase it. It looked exactly as advertised, like brand new. The tube was extremely clean, and the unit looked like it had just been plucked off the assembly line. This is how it comes, along with some paperwork...

https://i.imgur.com/ywwjYBq.jpg

 

I have it mounted on a SR25 APC w/a Leupold Mk6 3-18x H59 reticle.

 https://i.imgur.com/IxIixdZ.jpg

We have had no moon since I picked the unit up and mostly overcast from all the storms that blew over in the SE. The pictures I took through the scope were with an iPhone. No adaptor, just me trying to hold the phone up and get shots through the scope. As with most all pictures through a NOD, the pictures do not do justice to what you see with your eye. These shots are on a private range I use. There is a hostage/perp target at around 150, a B27 around 250 and a cardboard cut out of the B27 black area at about 430. These are with no moon, no artifical lighting, overcast sky. This is in a rural area.

Picture showing all 3 targets at around 5-6x. The one at 430 is upper right of the centerline. Looks like a blackish blob here, but to my eye I could clearly make out a human shape.

 https://i.imgur.com/qi5Nw3j.jpg

The LE Targets hostage target at 100 at around 8x on the scope. I could make out the 2 different people's pictures on the target with no problem at all. I could also see the perp's weapon. I was extremely surprised at this considering how dark it was. For me, just this fact alone was plenty justification for the purchase. Again, the picture is nothing like what I saw with my eye.

 https://i.imgur.com/Cncs0iq.jpg

This is the B27 at full 18x on the scope.

 https://i.imgur.com/dHVEPDQ.jpg

The B27 at around 8x.

 https://i.imgur.com/vGGX1cA.jpg

The B27 cardboard cutout at 430 at around 8x. It is just below and left of the center of the cross hair. I hesitate even posting this one because it just does not do justice to how it looked to my eye.

 https://i.imgur.com/PATfF2f.jpg

When the clouds cleared up I took out and the resolution was so much better. The only light around was from the stars. I could not believe the detail I could make out on tree limbs around 600 yards away. I cannot say enough good things about this optic. I got on one of the satelite tracking websites and just after sundown tonight I located the X-37b coming almost directly over my place. I cannot say for certain that it was X-37b, but it appeared exactly where the website said it would and traversed overhead just as the site said. Pretty cool in my book.

I'll post more pictures up as I take them over the next couple weeks. I'll try to pick up a scope adaptor for my iPhone to get better pics and maybe some video. My plan is also to pick up some 22lr tracers, mount it on my 22 and get some video out to 500 yards of the tracers in flight.

In closing, if you have ever wanted to pick up a clip on but do not have nor will you have $9000-12,000 dollars to drop on a new one I highly recommend you look into one of these units. This one really does look and perform like it just shipped out from KAC. I really appreciate the great price and service I got from Ready Made Resources. They had the best pricing I had found on these things. I know there are several places online where you can buy one of these but if I were going to buy another one today or had a friend or family member looking to pick one up RMR would be where I would point them to.

I'll post more pictures as I get them.

 

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I don't know how to shoot a basketball

and my handwriting is barely legible,

but I don't miss.

 

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Get some kind of IR lighting device.  You will be even more amazed!

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Nice grab !  Thinking of going NVD on a 308+.  Saw a IR for about $600 more from Trijicon who bought IR Defense (for rebranding)  at SHOT last week.  Your Knight Vision AN/PVS running  over $11k new has a 120mm lens & weighs 3 lbs to the 1lb IR.  The Trijicon is only rated for 308 which is really too weak for me.

With your 44mm Leupold, do you have to line up the center of the 2 optics or your reticle / line of sight is good as it sits on your AR now ?

IN NEED OF A GUN WHEN I CAN'T reach for 911 

I paid $4895ish for this unit, like new. Of course a brand new single battery unit will run $11k.

The scope mount that the Mk6  is in is 1.46" height and around 20 moa cant. I don't remember the exact cant of this Spuhr, but it is around 20 moa. The PVS-30 is sitting flat on the rail with 0 cant at 1.5" cL. I have no issues seeing through the optic like this. I know it is best if both the scope and clip on are both canted the same. I have not fired it yet to check to see how much shift I'll get with my mis-matched setup. Eventually it will got on an AI AXMC. I'm upgrading to that from my AX, so as soon as I get that rifle in hand I plan on doing my range work.

 

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...Can't carry a tune,

I don't know how to shoot a basketball

and my handwriting is barely legible,

but I don't miss.

 

You know I've been there when you hear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3sBks5o_8

FUBAR posted:

Get some kind of IR lighting device.  You will be even more amazed!

I like IR laser for longer than 300m illum.  The bloom of even a low power <5mw IR laser will be enough to illuminate out to about 900m in most weather conditions.  Adjustable gain on the NOD is nice!

I was super interested in the PVS-30 until my wife pointed out that we already have a Vectronix Nitespot50 that is in the gunsafe...

~Will

 




 

 

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FUBAR posted:

Get some kind of IR lighting device.  You will be even more amazed!

Hmmmm...like an Attila 200. 

I hate you Hootie.  I really have to get one of these now.

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 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

So I found a LA-5 from Will's Optics He managed to find a 2nd one for me as a back up and will be buying that one from him next week too. My Dad had a stroke a couple weeks ago and I have had literially no time to post these, but I am waiting on job right now so I figured I would stick these up. I have a Leupold Mk6 3-18x H59. As much as I love the H59 I have noticed 2 things with that reticle that really bug me. One being when I have used it while hunting in thick areas on lower powers you really have to concentrate to pick up the center of the reticle. It is so bad on 3-5x for me I am VERY careful making a shot. The next, on lower powers when used with the clip on night vision it kinda sucks too. I had ordered a S&B 3-20x Ultra Short from Europtic the other day and decided to go back with the MSR which I had before in another S&B. The MSR definitely fixes the low end power/quick use in cluttered background issues I found with the H59. We can only use centerfire for coyotes in SC from March til July. I have a CZ 512 in 22 WMR for the times of year we are restriced to rimfire. Pictured with it is the LA-5/PEQ I scored from Wills Optics in Savannah GA. The only reviews I have seen of this guy are one or two posts on ARF. He is the Man to go to if you are looking for hard to nearly impossible to find NVG stuff. He still has some regular restricted PEQ-15's if I am not mistaken, but I think he may be out of the LA-5's for now.

 

And yes that is $12,000 worth of optics/NVG/and Freak'n Lasers on a $475 .22 WMR.

I made a mount out of aluminum I can bolt to a Manfrotto tripod that will hold the scope and PVS-30 for taking pictures, so in these next pictures I am not pointing a rifle at anyones home. The mobile home pictured is about 700-800 yards away across the lake, full moon, gain turned almost all the way down. Scopes were 3x, ~7x, and near top end on the most zoomed in ones. I could tell a huge difference in resolution from the S&B to the Leupold. The S&B rocked and was incredible to the eye. Of course the pics don't do justice to what you actually see. MSR is the S&B, H59 is the Mk6.

On low power it was VERY difficult to see the H59 even to my eye.

Ultra Short MSR. It is my understanding that this is the scope for the new HK CSASS, but with a Tremor3 reticle.

 

I am going to try to pick up one of those Torrey Pines Deadeye adaptors for the Ultra Short and a GoPro so I can make some video. There is very little video of through scope shots using a clip on on youtube. These pics were before I got the LA-5. When I get a little time I'll go back out and take some showing what the FREAK'N LASER  can do.  Hope you guys enjoyed these.

 

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...Can't carry a tune,

I don't know how to shoot a basketball

and my handwriting is barely legible,

but I don't miss.

 

You know I've been there when you hear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3sBks5o_8

Some precision rifle people I know, and this thread, persuaded me that this deal was too much to pass up. So a few months ago I sold of a bunch of things including a USO scope and an Armasight CO-MR clipon, and bought my PVS30 from Ready Made Resources. 

The OP has a good basic review of what you get. I have been using mine for observation for a while, and have made an Arca/Pic rail to use it with my spotting scope (adding a laser now to point targets as well), have a little rail and lighting clamp to use it with an 8x Vortex monocular as a semi-portable mid-range observer, and have it set to stick it to the from of my .300 for short range work (especially once the suppressor is out of NFA jail), but mostly plan to use it on my precision rifle: 

First, a quick overview of the bad, or mostly just not-perfect:

  • See the white tubes and thumb screws up there? Yeah, mine is going to probably take advantage of the warranty. The base is broken. Somehow will simply not either a) Tighten down to grab the rail or b) Unlock enough to clear the rail so you can remove it. 
    • I wish the Army would just require all sights have the Colt carry handle base built in, then we could use all the neat ACOG et al rail converters, and either way repair/replace the rail grabbers without getting the sight serviced.
    • I have poor hopes for the rail grabber when repaired anyway. Seems fiddly, angles in, and is hard to adjust so with me mounting to multiple guns I may just go to a slightly snazzier thumbscrew field adjustment in the end, anyway. 
  • Like all clipons I have used, focus is a bear. It's far away. Mine is pretty stiff also, so not easy to do behind my long-ass Steiner. On the spotter, etc. it's much easier though. 
  • The image intensifier is amazeballs, but getting deadly sharp behind some scopes is hard. I guess I need to mess with "parallax" (scope focus) more. Not bad, just not discussed anywhere like the product manual so little guidance on what to do. If anyone is an expert at this bit of the optics: advice will be appreciated. 
  • No rear lens cover. I may get a flip cap. No, the removable cap doesn't count. Too looseable. If fact, no idea where it is right this minute. 
  • No pinpoint cover. Hard to do simple things like test that the unit is working without finding some dark. 
  • I can see why they upgraded the battery housing. I'd guess whoever did the rail grabber designed this crazy thing also. 
  • The cover to keep light from leaking is meh. Also too easy to loose, no leash, no good place to put it, and doesn't seem very necessary. 

 

The good:

  • Amazing resolution. My CO-MR was typical of some other devices I have seen briefly, and seemed helpful but pooped out (fuzzy) at 8-9x on the scope. This one works through the full range, up to 16x. 
    • Better: I use it in front of my spotting scope. It doesn't do the full range there, but does work well to at least 28x.
    • Really. I have read streetsigns 430 yards (LRF) away. You can not quite tell when the stopsign was put up by the sticker on the back, but can see the sticker and tell it has holes and printing on it.
    • Amazing light gathering. I used mine the other day at 15% moon, with no lights anywhere nearby. Set on a raked white gravel field I had to use a light to find my gun after I went down to reset targets. So all but pitch black and I had to turn the gain up to about halfway to see the targets.
  • Very close to no deviation
    • Now, my Armasight had NONE. 
    • But this seems to, after a few shots on a few targets, be all of 1 click (0.1 MRAD) high. That's easy to account for. 
    • I do have a 20 MOA scope rail, and the night vision mount is flat, so dunno if that's what I am seeing, just exceeding the amount the clipon optics can flatten everything.  
  • Impossibly noise free. Almost annoyingly so, as my normal way to get night vision working is first "focus the static" to assure the occular is right, then focus for distance. I cannot get this to have popping "static" dots in the dark. Perfectly smooth. 
  • Gain control is very useful. I've had or used a number of other night vision devices where gain was not useful, like didn't have enough range. This really does.
    • I do wish it went a bit lower, as there are times when you want to use it to look into shadows at dawn or dusk, but the sky is too bright so blows out the whole tube just a bit. 
  • Gain knob is easy! Integral with power switch, and reachable even far away. 
  • Power switch is protected. Pull and twist. So, no accidental leaving it on, easy to confirm it is off with a simple touch. 
  • Quiet. After going away a while, it seems buzzing power supplies are back in vogue sometimes, but this is dead quiet in operation. 
  • No value added features. No status lights, no USB out, no menus, no nothing. Just works. Simple is nice for this. 
  • Case is fine, and mostly has slots for AA batteries! Too many cases (my new Tyr Kestral case!) have no room for spare batteries
    • Bonus: has some stencil from whoever had it before. Sorta cool, better if I could tell what it was and trace down who owned it: 
  • Small and light enough for me. People complain but I find it an entirely reasonable sized unit. Maybe I am just old and have used too many PVS-4 series things so everything else seems small. But, don't be put off by the complaints of size or weight. 

 

Some photos: 

The target array for later reference:

Top center is the moon. The camera is compensating nicely, but note how you can see the cab light. It's already moderately dark. 

 

Ignore the various pasters, top-center is the 5 shot group I shot, 300 m prone with my .308 PSS. 

40 minutes after EENT, around the time I shot the above. Low power, maybe 6x through the Steiner Military 50mm. It was a good bit sharper than this to the eye. Note especially that the IDPA target, cardboard on plywood, is visible enough I can target it successfully. That's practically camouflage, and with other night vision devices I CANNOT see such targets: 

On the other hand, zoomed in was not as good. 16 x was not as sharp as the 28x through the spotter as I said above. Here is the #2 target, the IDPA with painted on face and hands. Things are better looking than this (I could make out the hands), but still a bit fuzzy on the edges. I will work on using the parallax dial and may also just make myself a calibration ring so I don't have to mess with it but can simply twist to the LRF-found range, and not worry about it so much. 

I think I could shoot a bit better once I get the gun-mounted focus issues worked out, but... how much should I really ask for? I finished the evening with 6 rounds on three targets, boarding house rules. Pretty rapid, minimal rear support as I shifted targets fast. 

Yes, I can pick out heads at 300 m in that lighting. I was NOT yet accounting for that 1 click offset, so anything high is mostly my math failures. I hit the IDPA target in the neck, so some of that fuzzy can be an issue for small targets, but knowing limits is probably good enough really. 

Truthfully, it's hard to ask for a lot more from the gun, or the clipon.

This is good stuff. If you have a spare $5,000, pick one up. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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Shooebe01,

 

Damn good review and spot on about the attachment. It is 2018, I would think by now there would be an upgrade to certain types of mounts, including the mount for the Elcan Spectre DR.

To be honest, how there are any of these left for sale  is beyond me. You are getting an optic that was close to $10-12k 2 years ago for a little over what some places are selling PVS-14’s at. The mount issue aside, once I saw how well it worked and how durable it was I did sell my refurb PVS-30 and am buying  a new condition single battery PVS-30 in FDE with a WP high FOM tube from TNVC. I had never used an WP NODs and had the opportunity to snag a brand new pair of PVS-31a’s. For me, the WP is so much easier on my eyes. I have always been prone to get migraines, and I have noticed a sharp decrease in eye strain and headaches with the WP. 

As far as scopes, I was actually surprised how well the 30 works in front of a Eotech with 3x magnifier. I used that for a while for a coyote rig and it was just a great setup if you didn’t need to worry about the light coming off the NOD giving your position away. It also worked very well with an Elcan Spectre DR.

I hope they get your mount squared away, but I have no doubt you’ll have nothing but love for that 30.

 

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...Can't carry a tune,

I don't know how to shoot a basketball

and my handwriting is barely legible,

but I don't miss.

 

You know I've been there when you hear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3sBks5o_8

Agree it makes no sense these refurbs are still around, and not the dregs even. I blew off the info for >6 months because I assumed they'd be gone like all the deals I miss (oh, the $130 BREN parts kids of my youth). 

My carbines setups are all 3x magnifiers behind RDS and it seems to work for that. I've used the Armasight in that config and it was pretty good. The 30 (unshot, but played with) seems to work great also. Before I sold it I played with the 1-4x USO, and even that worked; seems simply anything optical behind it works fine. Nice range of capabilities then. 

Yeah, if light throw is an issue (even for game, if it's dark enough it could be), then non-tube sights are an issue. Mine are Tru-Dot RDSs and the shape is similar to EO so similar problem of covering the whole setup. Thinking I need something like the parade covers for a SUSAT; a u-shaped lightproof piece of something stiff enough to keep shape, maybe a couple chunks of velcro on either side of the sight? Huh. 

 

I need to find someone with WP stuff I can borrow for an evening of shooting or walking around. My physiology knowledge makes me quite suspicious of it vs the greens, so I guess I need to see one with my eyes. Lucky I don't have the money for it to be a problem right now. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Talking to Pete Lesbo a few minutes ago about something else, I brought up the mount for the 30. He mentioned something important that I wish was in the manual, so maybe watch out for it: 

  • The mount has some sort of recoil compensator in it. So that's why it's integral to the housing I guess.
  • That recoil compensator is more or less all the protection the system has. The image intensifier cannot handle hardly any recoil on it's own. That means that if you don't get the mount adjusted right to clamp firmly to the rail, and the clipon slides on the rail under recoil, as little as one shot could destroy the image intensifier. 

Especially since I switch guns a lot with it, I'll be extra paying attention to adjusting it every time. 

 

Oh, also: there are zero repair parts. KAC has no real interest in fixing them, and has distributed no spares to anyone. So, here's hoping nothing breaks. Or, wait 10 years for people to start collecting broken ones and cannibalizing I guess. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Well for hobbyists like me, it's my main hobby. Go talk to your golfing or biking or kayaking (etc. ) nerds and see what they spend on their equipment. Even if they don't go to training, they go on vacations to perform their hobby so same thing. Costs are similar. 

But also:

  • Gun money goes to guns. Never do you sell anything gunny and use the money for anything else. 
  • Paypal helps a lot with this. I get ebay or you all sending me stuff there, and it's mine. PP is my money, I am almost always free to do whatever I want with it, so no wifely oversight
  • Small purchases are easy. Can spend normal money on them. No blip raised.  
  • Decide you have too much, or need to fund something, then you sell a bunch. 
  • And have money you can spend on things! 
  • Talk up your deals, when you sell for more than you paid.
  • Hide your failures.
  • Finagle

I sold several things to "fund" the PVS30. Including a previous clip-on and a scope, and related bits which got me to $3400 alone. 

 

I have slowly gotten into something several times. A good example is my thermal. I got a deal ($400? Less?) on an old Probeye from Murphy's junk years ago. First really handheld thermal imager, but weird shape, big two handed hold, gas powered. Spent a long time figuring out how to get 6000 psi Argon into it, rewired it to run better, to take batteries we could actually find, so I didn't have only 8 minutes of runtime. Great! And I'm the only guy with thermal, and it's a great help. 

I see a deal on a Raytheon thermal pocketscope, through craigslist. Look it up, it's legit as is the guy. Buy it. Sell  the Probeye for more than I paid as it works wlel now, and that's about 75% the purchase price of the new Thermal Eye.

A few years later, L3 owns the product line, releases updated ones. I like my magnifier (free! another story!) and so on, so decide to upgrade instead of going FLIR etc. Find a deal, buy it. Sell the old Thermal Eye on eBay for more than I paid, as I know all about it and have the cable so can show the actual video output of it, etc. That's a good percentage of the price of the new one. 

Etc. for many things. 

 

Sorry for running so far off topic. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Shoobe,

   Our weapons/accessory fund is acquired and spent almost exactly the same.

   I was going to get one of these by selling a rifle on the Hide which has been there forever and a day.  But I am now in trade mode for a thermal.  Just sent more pictures to him and it looks done.

   So we all saw the Hide thread on the PVS-30s.  Makes sense to me except when premier rifle builder Terry Cross said these were merely PVS-26 es.  Then I read the confusion after that, some useless but some pretty good.  After I get this thermal situation resolved, I'll swing back to getting one of these.  Despite the FOV thing about 1600 is fine, since I am in zero hurry, I'll wait for a 1900+ to popup.  It will always happen.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

What thermal are you gonna get?

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

If it goes through, will be interested to see your impressions in detail, so post them up. Seen some Armasight stuff that was all over the place. My CO-MR had very good performance for the money, but still a bit odd here and there in construction, operation. 

Since the unit you re looking at is post-merger, hoping that FLIR bought them to improve the place, and we'll see that panning out to improve things even more.  

BIG bonus for me on the sight you are looking at: 7.5 - 13.5 µm. I am a big, big, big fan of the deeper IR band. Used shorter band ones side by side in fog and rain, and had mil friends not happy with their thermals in wx or dust. I have seen exactly one LWIR-proof fog in my life of carrying thermals about. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

My rubber cover has some tears on the sides, so I need a new one. I am playing some other angles for better ideas and if they pan out you will all be notified, but I just got this and anyone else who needs one better jump on it right now as it's dirt cheap:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272385549269

Tan, not black so it'll clash and style IS important, but for $10 shipped, I got two.

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

shoobe01 posted:

My rubber cover has some tears on the sides, so I need a new one. I am playing some other angles for better ideas and if they pan out you will all be notified, but I just got this and anyone else who needs one better jump on it right now as it's dirt cheap:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272385549269

Tan, not black so it'll clash and style IS important, but for $10 shipped, I got two.

The large Vortex flexible rubber cap worked great on mine. I did have to tie rap the flexible rubber part.

 

I have since sold my 30 and ordered a NIB FDE PVS-30 WP high FOM from TNVC for an ECC I have coming. I’ll post an update in here when I get it in.

As far as thermal. I have a UTMx that fits a ton of roles for coyote hunting. It does pretty good as a clip on up to 4x. I’ve found a clean UTCx too

 

Before you say anything, I don’t own a $60,000 truck. I’m not a big vehicle person. I have a reliable Truck paid for, so I put my truck $ into cool shit that if I need to sell I won’t lose near what I would with a vehicle.

 

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...Can't carry a tune,

I don't know how to shoot a basketball

and my handwriting is barely legible,

but I don't miss.

 

You know I've been there when you hear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3sBks5o_8

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