Kicking it Old School: Belts and Suspenders for LBE

shoobe01 posted:
Diz posted:

Good points. 

I think the Rhody experience is very valid for our purposes...

Good question that just occurred to me I think: are there several "Rhodesian" rigs? Because when I read histories of this stuff, much of it is essentially mech inf work. They move at speed through the brush for hours, but have vehicles to back them, resupply, etc. 

 

As a Mech- Infantryman (Australian) I ran a Platatac Peacekeeper Mk1 Vest, at that time we were all wearing chest rigs over armour. 

I started off with the basic issued belt rig, the most common setup was 5X Minimi pouches and a British style 6 point harness., pretty much like this:

We certainly didn't "ruck" as much as our light inf brothers but we still did quite a lot, and this worked very well.

This was 2005-2008 era, after that the focus shifted more to urban stuff and we were all running SORD rigs with open top shingles etc.

I see people going to things like the Hayley Strategic (less so) and Mayflower (Recce Rig) lower profile rigs along with a battle belt, to me that looks ideal and a good progression  of what we were using back then.

Even Platatac are onto the Mk4 variant of the Peacekeeper which looks pretty decent but I would want some padding on it unless it was over armour:

Well, yeah there are examples of specific items that were "tanker" gear, "mountain troop", or "paratroop" gear, etc. but these mainly just supplemented the std issue to everybody.  Until SOCOM was established.  Now you have special missions troops with their own unique kit.  A lot of which trickles down to big army.  

In general, it's usually about what the infantry needs to fight.  Although they may have some kind of transport to get them in the neighborhood, the approach march and battle was usually on foot.  So we saw some kind of fighting load out, along with some kind of field transport pack.

This began to change with the advent of the "armored"  division, where tanks and personnel carriers were married to the grunts.  Culminating in "mobility" warfare late in the 20th century.  Along with the introduction of improved BA, the fighting load out changed to something easier to wear while "mounted" in vehicles.  And packs became largely just luggage in the vehicles.

At the same time, special missions troops still did a lot of "dismounted" patrolling, and developed their own fighting load outs, which included some of the classics, updated for the modern age.

So what it depends on, is how much the soldier must carry, until the next re-supply.  If it's every 2-3 days, it will certainly look different than if it's a week-long patrol.  If it's 100 deg in the jungle, versus 20 deg up in the mountains.  If you're working out of vehicles, or on foot.  Whether we're talking light infantry or SF.    

In the Rhody example.  When they went "external", they typically inserted by helo, and then patrolled on foot to an objective.  They carried different combinations of webbing and chest rigs for fighting load out, and large Bergens with supplies for whatever the mission duration was.  This is a fairly typical task for special forces in UW, or FID.  And it happens to look a lot like what you or I might face in a similar situation.  You may be inserted by "SUV" instead of "K" car, but your load out and mission may be quite similar.      

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Diz posted:

This began to change with the advent of the "armored"  division, where tanks and personnel carriers were married to the grunts.  Culminating in "mobility" warfare late in the 20th century.  Along with the introduction of improved BA, the fighting load out changed to something easier to wear while "mounted" in vehicles.  And packs became largely just luggage in the vehicles.

Perhaps in your (horse) Cavalry units before they were forcibly converted to steel?

Same same M1903A3 rifle but way different webbing.  Specialist pouches for BAR.

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