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Just got an e-mail from the LRT newsletter, re: their new Vectored Force Zero (VFZ) mounts. It appears to me that they've basically taken the throw lever off their existing mount, making it...throwless?

The photos are LaRue's from TOS. They're Mark Finegar's work, obviously. His pics are distinctive.



Couple things come to mind for me: first, I suppose these will be a bit lighter and slightly less expensive, although I can't find pricing info yet.

Secondly, I can see some applications, such as with a precision rifle, where taking the mount off the rifle wouldn't be necessary very often. I haven't moved the mount on my AR in two years.

The big reason I first became a fan of the LRT throw lever was that the lever was so unobtrusive that you have to go out of your way to find ways to bash your fingers on 'em. The VFZ would appear to be a way to make an even lower profile attachment system.

I won't be swapping my current mount for one of these, but it might be the way to go for a new application, considering how infrequently I need to move optics. I have my current mount cranked down to where it takes friends to get it loose anyway. Big Grin

Some of the comments over there were...typical of that site. Let's not do that here.

Thoughts?
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I'm curious, especially for a SPR scope application, what advantage these mounts would offer over just standard rings from Nightforce/Badger/etc? If you have to carry a wrench to remove the optic should it fail and you had to go to irons (like you would need if using regular scope rings), I wonder if there's an advantage to a VFZ mount from LaRue over conventional rings that I'm just not seeing... Confused
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[Speaking from My Lane] If I didn't already have every optic I own (all 4) in a Larue mount, I'd be extremely eager for a cost effective non-QD mount. All my current mounts have QD levers, since they are; 2 T-1s, a Leupold Mk 4 MR/T 3-9 and an Aimpoint 3X magnifier -3 out of 4 of those really never need removal of the 'Quick Detach' type. Scope rings? SPR-1.5 Mount? T-1 Mount w/ it's external battery compartment? Jesus may come back before I need to remove the optic. This is great -in my opinion. I'd keep the 3X magnifier in the QD levers.[/Speaking from My Lane]

Some comments on ARFcom were the epitome of assinine. Larue could make 1911s, a new cap for the BP oil leak, or develop one-hit-guarunteed-stop ammunition, and still someone on ARFcom would put their thinking cap on and say; "Yeah, I'm not really seeing why this is needed", while they dial their friends on their rotary telephone. It's called "development"; you never rest and always improve.
One thing I have found useful with the QD mount is all I have to do is take it on/off my service rifle and my civi rifle and just rezero it. Allows me to save money instead of having to buy two sights for two differant rifles.


That and I will most DEFINATLY loose that little wrench. I see these as better for more cost effective mounts for light/laser mounts that I dont move much.
This is perfect for me. Within this month I was talking to another LF 'r about wanting Larue quality but not needing a qd feature for a RDS mount. The qd feature isn't a negative for me on an aimpoint mount, but it also isn't really needed, for me atleast. I've personally never been in a situation where I needed to get my aimpoint off right fucking now. Maybe others need it though. When I've swapped RDSs' it's at the bench at home or maybe on the square range. Neither of which have any exigency. I wont be selling my qd mounts, but will probably buy one of these next time.

On a seperate note, Mark, why would you knowing subject me to that site. Smile

Baby jebus. Knot heads.

Good job Mark and crew! Another innovative product that needed to be brought to the market.
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Originally posted by Haji:
Just got an e-mail from the LRT newsletter, re: their new Vectored Force Zero (VFZ) mounts. It appears to me that they've basically taken the throw lever off their existing mount, making it...throwless?

Thoughts?


This was their explanation:

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The new VFZ will be an option to all LaRue mounts that feature a locking lever, and are the perfect cost-effective solution for those who don’t need ultra-quick-disconnect capability. The VFZ takes less than a minute to install, using a supplied 3/8” wrench. Once installed on the firearm, index marks allow the user to remove the mount, then reattach to the same tension, providing unprecedented return to zero for a non-QD-levered mount. The unique vertical alignment of the clamp allows components that are structurally stronger than traditional cross-bolt designs.


It will be interesting to see what 'cost-effective' means in real $$, I mean can there be THAT much of a cost savings by not having the lever? Or will it be 'cost-effective for non-QD mounts' meaning...?

I love my LaRue goodness, but wouldn't blue lock-tite serve the same purpose for non-QD? Wink Big Grin

On the positive side: this would make the left side of my rail on the upper less busy with levers right before the charging handle... (LT110 & LT649)

I wonder if the VFZ will be an additional accessory to swap out my QD levers...? Confused
I can see some utility for a low-speed civilian shooter like myself. I don't really have a need for QD capability, since I don't have the variety of guns and optics. It's a nice feature but it's not a requirement like it might be for others.

For me, saving a few bucks means I can buy more ammo, and practice a bit more, which is of value to me. Cost difference might not be much, but my ammo budget has been hit pretty hard.

That said, I'm down to one AR, which already sports a LaRue QD mount for my ML3, so I won't likely be out buying a new mount just for reduced capability.
Had a chance to actually get hands / eyes on these this weekend. They make sense as does the reasoning behind them. If one isn't swapping, frequently removing their optics from a given platform then the throw levers may not be a "must have."

There is the price issue, cost savings here too. Not sure whats been posted across the Net but the figure thrown out was significant.

Return to zero was demonstrated to us this AM (Sun) and with the one we were looking it wasn't a concern.

I don't have one in my possession but I can certainly see the benefit of it - both for myself and or other users in differing roles.
Hopefully they will make them available on their weapon light replacement bases. I think this will open up a bigger market for LaRue if the price reduction is significant. I very rarely remove the optics or lights/lasers so this would be a good thing for me as well as other shooters.

I usually crank them down with an inch lbs torque wrench on the optics anyway. I have no need to remove the optic unless it is damaged/broken.
So... How the hell do these things work. I saw the ad on the larue website but am totally dumbfounded. Personally im going to keep buying the locking qd ones but the cost saving will be intersting to see.

I get how the lever mounts one work, but if these are going on with a wrench im not seeing where and a bit confused as to how they are keeping the rtz ability.

Also is that an offset scout light mount in the picture or one of the ring mounts?
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Originally posted by liquidcooled:
So... How the hell do these things work. I saw the ad on the larue website but am totally dumbfounded. Personally im going to keep buying the locking qd ones but the cost saving will be intersting to see.

I get how the lever mounts one work, but if these are going on with a wrench im not seeing where and a bit confused as to how they are keeping the rtz ability.

Also is that an offset scout light mount in the picture or one of the ring mounts?


I think the RTZ feature comes from that little rectangular machined block that sits in the space between pic rails. That little block allows very little movement and ensures it always RTZ. I'm no engineer though.

I think these will be a nice option for us low speed high drag folks. I will be looking forward to them.
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Originally posted by rushca01:
I think the RTZ feature comes from that little rectangular machined block that sits in the space between pic rails.


No. Things like that are generally referred to as "recoil lugs," though other terms apply. They're common, though take different forms, to pretty much any rail interface device you'd care to mention.

The return-to-zero capability comes from good research& design, quality construction, no use of MIM parts, and using the money gained from doing good business put to work doing product development instead of suing competitors -coughARMScough-
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Originally posted by liquidcooled:
So... How the hell do these things work. I saw the ad on the larue website but am totally dumbfounded. Personally im going to keep buying the locking qd ones but the cost saving will be intersting to see.

I get how the lever mounts one work, but if these are going on with a wrench im not seeing where and a bit confused as to how they are keeping the rtz ability.

Also is that an offset scout light mount in the picture or one of the ring mounts?

The lock up is adjusted the same way as it is on the QD mounts, near as I can tell. Get it where you want it, crank the nut on the other side of the lug.

The mount in the pic appears to be for the Scout Light, but I can't tell for sure; I don't have one.
I ordered a VFZ 150 mount for an Aimpoint M3 yesterday...the cost savings over the throw lever mount is about $25 dollars and if you are Military or LEO you get the additional Larue (Good Guy) 10% discount. I use Larue mounts exclusively and my duty rifle has the Larue 150 throw lever mount for an Aimpoint M2. In speaking w/ the Larue C/S rep... basically,the only difference is the lower cost and lack of a throw lever...repeat zero is the same. Once I have it in my hands and have shot w/ it I will post a follow up. The really good thing about it is that if I'm not happy Larue will make it right. So it is a Win/ Win.
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Originally posted by K9 Hunter:
I ordered a VFZ 150 mount for an Aimpoint M3 yesterday...the cost savings over the throw lever mount is about $25 dollars and if you are Military or LEO you get the additional Larue (Good Guy) 10% discount. I use Larue mounts exclusively and my duty rifle has the Larue 150 throw lever mount for an Aimpoint M2. In speaking w/ the Larue C/S rep... basically,the only difference is the lower cost and lack of a throw lever...repeat zero is the same. Once I have it in my hands and have shot w/ it I will post a follow up. The really good thing about it is that if I'm not happy Larue will make it right. So it is a Win/ Win.


Standing by for that AAR.
I'm honestly shocked.

The following conversation just took place.

Me: Cool. I can save $50 bucks by getting the VFZ mount for my new meopta scope.

Fiance: What is the difference?

Me: (explains difference) I think I'll give the VFZ mount a try.

Her: I think I'd rather have the QD version. Wouldn't you?

Me: Yea, but I don't really need it.

Her: Just get the QD mount.



This surprised the hell out of me. Mark, you can thank the lady of the house for me spending more money on your products. Big Grin
I just ordered a 1.93 SPR mount for my Noveske SPR. I needed a mount and thought about it; do I really need a QD mount on THAT rifle? No I do not. So I got on of the new ones.

I also have a SPR mount on my Colt carbine. That one is QD because what I use it for.

It is just having the correct tool for the job. A wood chipper is a very cool tool but you don't want to use it to cut your yard.

I will do a write up and compare the two mount when I get it.

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