Re color, blue in any tone looks a good choice for me. Pink would be too freak and I guess some ghey, but for sure a nice choice mostly for women.

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jcustisredux posted:

The bag needs to go from transport phase to a user’s back during offensive/tactical ops. That’s why a subdued color was suggested.

Unless the user is changing from blend in civilian clothing to a full camo uniform on the fly in the middle of a desert/forest/jungle, I don't see black being a detriment to someone walking down the boulevard in jeans and a hoodie.

Neither do I.  As we mentioned in the low-pro travel thread, BGs are already going to be suspicious of your level of fitness, degree of situational awareness, etc.

This is all about making PID difficult, because you can't make it impossible.  I'd buy one in black or grey.  Just not OD, MJK, camo, or coyote.

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My wife would love pink.

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Could it menic the color palette of commercial bags? Matching but different color webbing.  

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avn mech posted:

Could it menic the color palette of commercial bags? Matching but different color webbing.  

I've seen quite a few civilian bags with mixed earth tones, mostly from companies like the North Face. Ranger Green and Black, RG and coyote, etc, with some reflective bungies wouldn't look out of place.  Black plus some more civi colors like dark blue, dark red, or grey would be good too. 

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I was just reminded that those side pockets make for awesome 148/150 spare battery holders, storage space for pyro and cleaning gear, and a ton of other stuff for which quick access is a good thing.

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I find that the TSA always makes me hand in my 148/150 batteries and pyro.

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Mark

Hahahahahaha

You didn't by chance travel thru Texas(?) some time ago. 

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Ok - this thread has run its course and I believe all have had a say. Its January now, we need  to get this feedback to ATS so they can plan production.

Here is my summary of the updates/compromises that are most valuable  to make this a good product (note: I don't believe it is feasible to make this pack do 'everything' and we would be doing a disservice if we strayed too far from the RAID pack roots - most notably, the size/shape/profile - if we change those, we have a new pack, and that's not our goal with this project, right?)

Okay, the features:

#1  - Too many comms ports. Reduce to a single comms port and cover it with overlapping elastic flap instead of a heavy velcro flap.

#2 - Bungee loops on the front so anycolor shock cord can be added by the user, any time. Like the Cobra Pack.

#3 - Side Pockets need to stay as they are, but the side flaps are closed with a simple velcro strip at the top.

#4 - Velcro Patch on the front of the pack is gone, gone, gone. Don't need it.

#5 - Interior soft velcro is light color, even on dark packs (yellow if its available, but at least Tan or Gray, even if pack is black).

#6 - Make side Straps detachable by using loops with small tri-glides. This would have the added benefits of making the pack field repairable and allow for straps of different lengths (a user modification if needed) - point is, straps can be removed, changed, different color, etc - all without rebuilding each pack each time.

I think with these tweaks to the posted proto-type, we have an all around dual use (practical or tactical) kinda pack. I realize this does not address the nalgene bottle request - I am afraid it would become a different pack if we start doing side pockets, bottle pockets, etc. - Even though that would be handy, super handy...

Brad

Take my money!!!!

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So, next weekend for delivery, right?

Location Texas.

 

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Maybe I just missed it but what is the volume of this pack?

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MOJONIXON posted:

Maybe I just missed it but what is the volume of this pack?

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jcustisredux posted:

Take my money!!!!

Yep. :headbang:

How come this detachable strap thing hasn't been done before? It seems so obvious now.

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I was going to put this in a PM, but it’s best in the open.

Thank you for sherperding this process along, and taking your time to solicit opinion and serve as arbiter over the process.

This is what Lightfighter was all about back in the day when I joined, and it’s why I remain.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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jcustisredux posted:

I was going to put this in a PM, but it’s best in the open.

Thank you for sherperding this process along, and taking your time to solicit opinion and serve as arbiter over the process.

This is what Lightfighter was all about back in the day when I joined, and it’s why I remain.

This^^^ should absolutely be in the open as Brad has spearheaded a number of “projects” in recent memory. He deserves all the accolades he may receive as a result of his time and efforts. 

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Lightfighter posted:

#3 - Side Pockets need to stay as they are, but the side flaps are closed with a simple velcro strip at the top.

In this instance, is there a chance the loops for the buckles can be included to the side pockets?

I realise Velcro is the flavour of the day,  but for those that use the side pockets for items that hook & loop can't contain - hiking poles, camera tripods, tent poles, axes, etc - following the same train of thought of the compression straps - dedicated loops for the end user to add buckles, or even simpler, bungee, would help in locking those items in place.

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Brad, 

First off, fan-fucking-tastic!

Second, any kind of even rough ETA? Daddy's got some travel coming up and would LOVE to rock one of these!

Last, if it exists, can you throw in, or make available for separate purchase, a small piece of color-matched velcro that we could add on later, if we so desire?

 

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Quick UPDATE: We've sent all the feature/modifications from this thread to ATS about the Prototype.

The next step in this process is to make a production proof (basically, confirm all the things we said about this pack, exactly as how we all envisioned it here). ATS is working on that - that is the good news. The bad news (in regards to this project) is that ATS just won a ton of work from a government organization - they got busy all of a sudden, so the production proof is taking longer than planned. 

But, its all in motion. And as soon as the production proof is in hand, We'll start selling! I do want to caution this might take a bit of time, but we're not going to take orders for vaporware unicorn packs - when we start selling, the pack will be in production. Fair enough, my friends? I'll keep ya'all in the loop.

Brad

Can we at least reserve a spot to buy one?  I imagine they are going to sell like crazy once it gets into the wild.

You know, like how Nike and shoe stores have that new process of selling Air Jordans so you don’t get dead walking out of the store.

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Lightfighter posted:

so the production proof is taking longer than planned. 

But, its all in motion. And as soon as the production proof is in hand, We'll start selling! I do want to caution this might take a bit of time, but we're not going to take orders for vaporware unicorn packs - when we start selling, the pack will be in production. Fair enough, my friends? I'll keep ya'all in the loop.

Brad

That's great! No worry about delay. We are patience guys. Would you deliver it to Spanistan?

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What kind of timeframe is this looking like now with the new contract that they have?

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It looks almost exactly like my current Wolf Grey RAID.

It's not so much about making the pack less tactical, it's about removing a bunch of unnecessary bulk, weight, and snag points from a pack that is the pretty much the perfect carry on size for airline travel.

Regards.

Mark

Formerly known as ML

Stopped by the shop on the way back home earlier today to say Hi to Brad, buy something, and also to fondle the pack a bit. Even without the changes, the first prototype IS a very nice size, lighter weight, easy to use pack. I like even more than I expected actually. 

Thinking of using it as my campsite bag inside the Kifaru-framed Half Crewcab hybrid I'm insanely setting it up, and since it's been like a month and a half since the last update, posting the shitty photos I took for my personal size comparison/planning purposes:

Somehow it feels a lot narrower than a full on RAID. 

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I'll say it once again.  Take my money!

 

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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playmaker55 posted:

Any Update, feeling the need to support the economy.

Sorry. Same status as before. ATS got busy and we are waiting on a window to get a proofing sample done.

I've have nice talks with them, they really want to get this done so we can start offering packs for sale, but they are literally at full capacity working on a government contract (med bags, I think).

I have an upcoming trip to Yosemite and other places on the west coast and would love to acquire one of these for the trip out to west coast. 

I'll gladly pay you for one  to T&E lol

My apologies if I'm coming across as a petulant child. Have an upcoming trip, figured I'd ask.

 

 

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