Wild_Willie posted:

Could you share some of the issues that you have encountered?

Thanks!

 

Sorry, I missed this on my last read through.

Initially had had to do the usual new Marlin clean up of sharp edges rough action etc. The lever from RPP needed a fair bit of trimming at the tip (lever image circled in red) in order to function. The factory lever left a faint wear mark on the inside of the receiver so I suspect that the receiver is out of spec. When I installed the RPP peep I used the forward mounting screws and accuracy that should have improved went to shit. This is when I figure out that the barrel is loose.......I removed the mag tube and could unscrew the barrel. When hand tight it's over clocked by a few degrees so who ever assembled the rifle lined up the top flat with the receiver and then used the front scope mount dummy screw as a set screw to hold it in place and sent it on down the line. I sent it back and all they did was add a shim and re torque the barrel......now I've gained an extra 0.003" of headspace. Interesting thing is it will drop the hammer with a "no go" gauge inserted even though it's not fully in battery. The mag tube follower was also hung up when I got it back and you'll see in the picture the lovely mess they left when the peened the shim up against the barrel to allow the mag tube to fit in the receiver.

You cursed enablers are to blame. I had thought off and on of a revolver caliber level action as a travel safe option to an AR or my tricked out 590. It was not a really strong need, or even a strong "want". I had to go the car dealer yesterday for the first service on the new Ascent, and my range is only a few miles away. The Marlin 1894 in .357, stainless with the already mounted rail had some appeal (makes adding the Aimpoint my aging eyes really like a lot easier), and I was sure I would not find one in stock. I didn't, but they were only too happy to take a deposit and place an order. I'll try the Midwest Industries fore end to mount the light and sling. Shame on you. That's my story.

As an aside: why did I get the .357? I have no foreseeable need of the 45-70. Short assessment. I could have gone with the .44 version, as I have revolvers in both. I am pretty sure that the .357, even loaded with .38s if I find something that I like, will do all I need for short-mid range defense, including the house; the ammo will be cheaper, and  as I get older, the less recoil I experience the happier I am.

Doug Mitchell posted:

You cursed enablers are to blame. I had thought off and on of a revolver caliber level action as a travel safe option to an AR or my tricked out 590. It was not a really strong need, or even a strong "want". I had to go the car dealer yesterday for the first service on the new Ascent, and my range is only a few miles away. The Marlin 1894 in .357, stainless with the already mounted rail had some appeal (makes adding the Aimpoint my aging eyes really like a lot easier), and I was sure I would not find one in stock. I didn't, but they were only too happy to take a deposit and place an order. I'll try the Midwest Industries fore end to mount the light and sling. Shame on you. That's my story.

As an aside: why did I get the .357? I have no foreseeable need of the 45-70. Short assessment. I could have gone with the .44 version, as I have revolvers in both. I am pretty sure that the .357, even loaded with .38s if I find something that I like, will do all I need for short-mid range defense, including the house; the ammo will be cheaper, and  as I get older, the less recoil I experience the happier I am.

I like your logic on this.

I'm glad that I'm spending more to renovate the house. That way I can't really go out and buy fun stuff.

M. Wilson posted:

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Looks like something Jayne would have stashed under his bunk on the Firefly...

If I had a son, I think I'd rather him speak with a lisp and have a boob job than carry that around.  Some things just can't be forgiven.

 

I would really like to see someone come out with a front sight blade for the Marlins with a tritium vial insert.   I've actually considered ordering a 1 mm x 6mm  vial and epoxying it vertically along  the white groove in the X/S front sight for giggles. 

I'm sure a factory sight  would need to be .125" for a tritium insert but I'd be happy with that as I like a wider than usual front post in woods or dim light.  Now that I'm older and need braille sights, tritium for dawn/dusk might just be the trick.

Anyone use one of Frank Proctor's light mounts?  Wonder how it would fit on an X/S Scout rail?  It is looks really low profile.

Frank Proctor Streamlight ProTac 1 L Proctor Light MountThe ...

 

 

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I have now ordered most of the accessories. Some are going to be delayed by production status, but with no rifle in hand, IDGAF. I have not yet ordered the sling, which is a function of laziness and needing to do actual work in the office. I'm looking for and trying to order an H2 with the 6 MOA dot, which should be just fine for this platform and my eyes. Vaporware, it seems.

In a discussion with one of the firearms guys at the SO, he went through his assessment of bigger dots. It was ... pardon the phrase, eye opening. He noted that most front sights are bigger than 4 MOA anyway, and the need for speed under most conditions is greater than the need for the level of precision potentially afforded by a smaller dot. At WORST, most likely, the bigger dot is roughly equal to the front sight and thus has no precision penalty. I did not check his math (you do not want me to do math on which you need to rely - trust me on this), but his reasoning is pretty sound.

Doug Mitchell posted:

I have now ordered most of the accessories. Some are going to be delayed by production status, but with no rifle in hand, IDGAF. I have not yet ordered the sling, which is a function of laziness and needing to do actual work in the office. I'm looking for and trying to order an H2 with the 6 MOA dot, which should be just fine for this platform and my eyes. Vaporware, it seems.

In a discussion with one of the firearms guys at the SO, he went through his assessment of bigger dots. It was ... pardon the phrase, eye opening. He noted that most front sights are bigger than 4 MOA anyway, and the need for speed under most conditions is greater than the need for the level of precision potentially afforded by a smaller dot. At WORST, most likely, the bigger dot is roughly equal to the front sight and thus has no precision penalty. I did not check his math (you do not want me to do math on which you need to rely - trust me on this), but his reasoning is pretty sound.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, Doug, I’m supposing the topic never came up but in our last face to face when we were having fun with Hannah, our waitress, (ask if you dare) I don’t recall hearing you have bad eyesight.  Now, me, I’m 20/blind.  I have to take off my glasses to see thru a scope. 20/600 in one eye 20/800 in the other.  Not fun.  Even with my astigmatism I don’t have issues with red dots, but scopes, no glasses or I may as well not shoot.  
Back on topic, this had interested me very much ever since I saw @JEEF LESTER. lever gun at Hogpocalypse II last year.  At this writing I don’t know if Jeff has chimed in here. Yes, I’m lazy and it’s 1845 local with an 0300 wake up call for me. 

Doug,

The fine front sight on your pistol is like 11 MOA.  Also, some guy named Pat once pointed out that if you turn up the dot all the way, it seems larger.  Get the 4 MOA if it's available and rock on.

 

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M. Wilson posted:

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Looks like something Jayne would have stashed under his bunk on the Firefly...

If I had a son, I think I'd rather him speak with a lisp and have a boob job than carry that around.  Some things just can't be forgiven.

 

I .....

 

I want one just to make the Fudds   stroke out and blood shoot out of their eyes.

The two I showed it to vapor locked and couldn't even talk when I was explaining that was my new bear gun. The 37mm fires a .50 cal submunition projo of about 672 grain weight with  magnum pistol powder to get near 900ms out of the short barrel, you know like a 50BMGBO...

My wife told me to stop trolling the Fudds. 

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860F5D99-6E1A-40E2-B164-637479C0668735D93ED3-1316-456C-B634-5A46DB1E895DJust a couple thoughts.  For anything trying to be “tactical” with a manually operated long gun, shotgun or bolt action.  What I love about the lever guns and try not to veer away from is they are really “handy”.  I want them simple and easy to carry and bring into action.  My favorites currently are my Brockman 45/70 and a Brockman 30/30.  Note that they are pretty simple (expensive, but simple). 

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Blackdog: Good point.

Mojo: I am not as blind as you, but have been roughly 20/400 since before high school. (Hannah: We were mean and bad influences ... and she liked us.)

@Community Member posted:

860F5D99-6E1A-40E2-B164-637479C0668735D93ED3-1316-456C-B634-5A46DB1E895DJust a couple thoughts.  For anything trying to be “tactical” with a manually operated long gun, shotgun or bolt action.  What I love about the lever guns and try not to veer away from is they are really “handy”.  I want them simple and easy to carry and bring into action.  My favorites currently are my Brockman 45/70 and a Brockman 30/30.  Note that they are pretty simple (expensive, but simple). 

DB - any better pics of that cartridge trap on the 1st pic?

And I just went to his website and calculated up what I'd like - ouch.

@Community Member posted:

This forum is a bad influence. Got me a Henry .30-30 coming. I’m getting back into hunting this year and it will be my deer/hog gun. 

Not as bad an influence as Netflix. Even though I've always been Marlin-only, I'm looking for a Wichester .30-30 (Longmire) and a Henry Big Boy (Hell on Wheels) 

@Community Member posted:

Not as bad an influence as Netflix. Even though I've always been Marlin-only, I'm looking for a Wichester .30-30 (Longmire) and a Henry Big Boy (Hell on Wheels) 

It would be interesting to know how many Marlin SBLs the movie Wind River has sold. 

@Community Member posted:

It would be interesting to know how many Marlin SBLs the movie Wind River has sold. 

Part of the reason I bought a  45/70 Guide was because it reminded me of the handy little Winchester in Hombre, one of my favorite Westerns.   I got it shortly after they were introduced and it has the ports.

 

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Apparently Aimpoint is not making anything but the 2 MOA version of their T/H series sights. Not optimal, but so be it. Also: I have not heard my rifle is in, and I suspect the reason is that Marlin is likely shut down as a non-essential business and there were not enough out in the pipeline.

Fuck You Guys and Your LEEEVER ACTION RIFLES!!

I have two pre '64 Model '94 Winchesters in 30-30 and figured, "I got my cowboy guns (I've had mine for 50 years and Dad's I think bought it new) so I'm good."

Yeah, until all y'all started THIS bullshit thread!  Now I want a 'tactical' lever action!  SHIT!  But I gotta say, if I'm going to the expense of shooting 45-70 I might have to skip the Marlin and go real old school with a Shilo Sharps Quigley.

There. You have been put on notice.  I will retreat to drool and ponder.  Good day to you all...

RD

@Community Member posted:

Fuck You Guys and Your LEEEVER ACTION RIFLES!!

I have two pre '64 Model '94 Winchesters in 30-30 and figured, "I got my cowboy guns (I've had mine for 50 years and Dad's I think bought it new) so I'm good."

Yeah, until all y'all started THIS bullshit thread!  Now I want a 'tactical' lever action!  SHIT!  But I gotta say, if I'm going to the expense of shooting 45-70 I might have to skip the Marlin and go real old school with a Shilo Sharps Quigley.

There. You have been put on notice.  I will retreat to drool and ponder.  Good day to you all...

RD

you mean like this...

https://shilohrifle.com/rifles...4-hartford-clone-en/

Just trying to save you a little googlin....

@Community Member posted:

go real old school with a Shilo Sharps Quigley.

There. You have been put on notice.  I will retreat to drool and ponder.  Good day to you all...

RD

Quigley couldn't hold a candle to Valdez, plus he had a redhead.

Ponder.

@Community Member posted:

go real old school with a Shilo Sharps Quigley.

There. You have been put on notice.  I will retreat to drool and ponder. 

RidgeDog if you want to drool, look over the Browning/Winchester 1885 Traditional  Hunters, either low wall or high wall.  They've been offered in handgun cals, like .357, 44 mag and 45 Colt wile the High Walls in 30-30, 38-55, 45-70, 45-90, etc.

All I've seen were drool worthy and in my opinion more elegant than the Sharps.

Low Wall 45 Colt with half octagonal:

Browning 1885 Low Wall Traditional Hunter 45 Lo... for sale

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@Community Member posted:

Yup, that's the one I've had my heart set on for years.  I Fondled them every time I went to SHOT but could neve talk myself into dropping the order.  Some day though ...

RD

I assume you've got your Quigley Down Under Blueray/DVD.

Ridgedog if you are going to buy a Shiloh you need to go the shop and order in person. You can ask about a tour and they usually take you through the shop right then personal tour with one of the owners is the norm. Also they usually are not an instock rifle so looking at about 18 months for it to be hand built and you can make a down payment and send in money while waiting. I have owned one or two.

@Community Member posted:

they usually take you through the shop right then personal tour with one of the owners is the norm. 

Oh, that's like a pimp daddy tour of the gun bordello?

Every time I see a Shiloh Sharps I have a fatalistic evil thought pop into my head...

"I might only get one shot... so you choose... who gets scraped up off the sidewalk with a squeege and a hose"

Then I remember... I have a Marlin Guide Gun in .450 Marlin.. so... I might get 4.

@Community Member posted:

Sorry, I missed this on my last read through.

Initially had had to do the usual new Marlin clean up of sharp edges rough action etc. The lever from RPP needed a fair bit of trimming at the tip (lever image circled in red) in order to function. The factory lever left a faint wear mark on the inside of the receiver so I suspect that the receiver is out of spec. When I installed the RPP peep I used the forward mounting screws and accuracy that should have improved went to shit. This is when I figure out that the barrel is loose.......I removed the mag tube and could unscrew the barrel. When hand tight it's over clocked by a few degrees so who ever assembled the rifle lined up the top flat with the receiver and then used the front scope mount dummy screw as a set screw to hold it in place and sent it on down the line. I sent it back and all they did was add a shim and re torque the barrel......now I've gained an extra 0.003" of headspace. Interesting thing is it will drop the hammer with a "no go" gauge inserted even though it's not fully in battery. The mag tube follower was also hung up when I got it back and you'll see in the picture the lovely mess they left when the peened the shim up against the barrel to allow the mag tube to fit in the receiver.

Thats good info.  I also stumbled upon another resource: the Marlin Owners.com.    Its kinda like farmersonly but for lever gun folks...  

They have some good info there on Marlins with cracked frames and other Remington debauchery to the good Marlin name.

I guess I got one of the Tuesday guns, where the boys that built it weren't too hung-over or PO'd and in a rush to get the quota done at the end of the week.

I have added a few bits that I purchased, I am not shilling or endorsing anyones product, just what I like RIGHT NOW

NEED:

Ranger Point Precision Marlin Trigger Kit [MANDATORY slick!]
Ranger Point Precision Marlin Aluminum Magazine Followers, Self Cleaning 
                                               (Choose option: Marlin 45-70 Follower) [Excellent]

Ranger Point Preceision Marlin Lever Quick Takedown Screws | Stainless Steel
                                              (Choose your takedown screw: Marlin American Flag, Stainless Steel) [Excellent, easy to field strip]
GrovTec Marlin Lever Actions 1983 - Later Hammer Extension [Much better]
F406245  Marlin 1895 Extractor, Stainless [SPARE]
16401 Wolff Marlin 39A,1894,1895,336,444 Extra Power Hammer Spring [More power]
Midwest Industries Marlin 336,1894,1895 M-Lok Handguard [WOW!]

F406499 Marlin Lever Action Firing Pin Spring [SPARE]
F406505 Marlin Lever Action Front Firing Pin [SPARE]

 

NEAT:

Ranger Point Precision Marlin 45-70 Govt 450M Cartridge Quiver | Receiver Mounted, Holds 3 Extra Cartridges [Neat, not NEED]

 

NICE:

Ranger Point Precision Marlin 1895 Flyweight Loading Gate [Very Nice!]

Ranger Point Precision Marlin Firearms | Fiber Optic Front Sights | Red and Green [Easy to pick up]

F406440  Marlin Front Sight Hood, Open Top [Nice to protect the fiber optic and still allow light]

F406327 Marlin Front Sight Base, 2 Screw Holes[Needed to change out fiber optic and add open hood]

Traid Tactical Modular Stock Pack TT-3400-MC [Very nice on the face, as well as carrying specialty rounds/tools] 

 -  IWC 1" strap QD [ also in the parts box that I added to the rear of the Stock Pack, works for now]

Yankee Hill MLOK QD [I had it in the parts box, I'd rather the Strike Ind. angled QD for the front]

Aimpoint T-1 with the factory LOW mount[Lowest red dot scope I own, the MRO sat too high]

    - KAC T-1 cap[I think I got this at a SHOT show one year, out of the parts bin]

   - Silicon Bikini Covers[parts bin] 

Kaw Valley Precision 2.25" Magnum Linear Comp (KVP-MAG-2252) Black 11/16x24 (.450 Bushmaster)[It was a toss up between this one and the 3.25", I might prefer the 3.25" just for the extra 1" of expansion chamber]

 

N’YEAH:

Ranger Point Precision Marlin Hammer Spur Extension, Black[VERY aggressive checkering!  Gloves NEEDED!] 

Ranger Point Precision Marlin Pistol Grip Lever; Super Lightweight, Black | Marlin X1 Series [Have not fitted it yet, it REQUIRES fitting to your weapon, if you go this route order an extra F406359 Finger Lever Plunger pin, F406224 Finger Lever Plunger, F406511 Finger Lever Plunger Spring as well as the Ranger Point SHIM KIT ]

Strike Industries Link MLOK foregrip thing[I am still a fan of the Magpul AFG-1 and will probably go back to that, but it means adding a rail]

 

ISSUES:

During the MI Rail installation, I discovered that the dark forearm was shotty PINE and painted-lacquered TO the barrel...  During the removal it split!  Hunk o' crap.

I got the Wild West Guns Bearproof Extractor, but it is a TIGHT fit and NEEDS some polishing to fit!!

 

 

Going forward:

I need to get some JB PASTE and slather it all over the bolt and action and cycle it, alot.  THen when the ammo gets here, shoot it, ALOT more.  Then decided WHAT WORKS and WHAT DOESN'T.

Once I get that slicked up, I am thinking I may get the CERAKOTE done just to preserve everything in the humidity.

LIGHT, I need some sort of light set-up.  I am leaning towards STREAMLIGHT: Either the TLR or the HL-X as the Jungle gets deep & dark!

AMMO: My GO TO for ammo has been Hunting Shack Montana for ammo, but, NO GUNSHOWS in SLC during the pandemic for getting great ammo at a great price!  SO I tried STEINEL AMMO and got a 200 round pack [Ordered, no ETA yet] to help break in and smooth out the action! 

- Something to consider with the Valdez/Quigley fascination of imitating art: Steinel Ammo warning

This High Power load is NOT safe in the following:

-Original Trapdoor Springfields—see our Trapdoor load Other 45/70 options available.
-Modern Trapdoor replicas
-Original Sharps 1874
-Any rolling block
-Other (old) 45/70 rifles

Current Pr0n [empty 8# 2oz / 3.686 kg]:

 

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Thats good info.  I also stumbled upon another resource: the Marlin Owners.com.    Its kinda like farmersonly but for lever gun folks...  

They have some good info there on Marlins with cracked frames and other Remington debauchery to the good Marlin name.

I guess I got one of the Tuesday guns, where the boys that built it weren't too hung-over or PO'd and in a rush to get the quota done at the end of the week.

I have added a few bits that I purchased, I am not shilling or endorsing anyones product, just what I like RIGHT NOW

NEED:

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NEAT:

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NICE:

 

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N’YEAH:

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ISSUES:

During the MI Rail installation, I discovered that the dark forearm was shotty PINE and painted-lacquered TO the barrel...  During the removal it split!  Hunk o' crap.

I got the Wild West Guns Bearproof Extractor, but it is a TIGHT fit and NEEDS some polishing to fit!!

Going forward:

I need to get some JB PASTE and slather it all over the bolt and action and cycle it, alot.  THen when the ammo gets here, shoot it, ALOT more.  Then decided WHAT WORKS and WHAT DOESN'T.

Once I get that slicked up, I am thinking I may get the CERAKOTE done just to preserve everything in the humidity.

LIGHT, I need some sort of light set-up.  I am leaning towards STREAMLIGHT: Either the TLR or the HL-X as the Jungle gets deep & dark!

AMMO: My GO TO for ammo has been Hunting Shack Montana for ammo, but, NO GUNSHOWS in SLC during the pandemic for getting great ammo at a great price!  SO I tried STEINEL AMMO and got a 200 round pack [Ordered, no ETA yet] to help break in and smooth out the action! 

- Something to consider with the Valdez/Quigley fascination of imitating art: Steinel Ammo warning

This High Power load is NOT safe in the following:

-Original Trapdoor Springfields—see our Trapdoor load Other 45/70 options available.
-Modern Trapdoor replicas
-Original Sharps 1874
-Any rolling block
-Other (old) 45/70 rifles

Current Pr0n [empty 8# 2oz / 3.686 kg]:

 

Jeebus, Will, it seems like you could'a got a stripped receiver and built it from scratch!!  That seems like a LOT of work to make a new firearm serviceable!! I know - this from a guy in a group known for erector-setting ARs 

And FWIW I have heard several anecdotal accounts of cracked frames on the 45-70s as well.

RD

@Community Member : I believe the MarlinOwners forum has counted 4 cracked receivers so far.

I am not into the 1895Dark for much (Traded a NIB Glock 19 4th gen to a cowboy/rancher who REALLY wanted a 'Glock' - I love Utah!)

Customizing a new weapon ain't cheap. 

But its fun  

I got some spare dolla billz from trimming down the weapon collection too, so its kinda nice refocusing the energy in one direction.

A fellow down southern Utah has a slicked up 1895 guide gun with work done by Grizzly that I am drooling over ( could flip the 1895Dark and afford this): 

Marlin Guide gun chambered in 45-70 with lots of work done to it.

Stainless Pre-Rem guide gun
• Full Cerakote including inside the action
• Boyd’s high-grade walnut stocks
• Grizzly Custom action & trigger job
• Grizzly Custom stock bedding
• Grizzly custom stock through-bolt (All G C work)
• XS aperture rear & blade front sight

Lots has been done to this rifle to make it incredibly smooth.

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@Community Member posted:

 

I discovered that the dark forearm was shotty PINE and painted-lacquered TO the barrel...  During the removal it split!  Hunk o' crap.

 

Pine?   

That is not unsatisfactory, that is criminal. 

The cracked receiver, are they cracking in the same place or randomly?

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