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Actually, every Agent (at least in my Sector) was given the option of a G47 or a G19. OFO went G19 across the board (except for their HRT who probably get all versions) and I’ve heard rumor that some USBP Sectors made the decision to go with a single gun for everyone but I have no direct knowledge of this. The Team guys in my sector already have theirs (as well as each of them getting the CBP version of the G26) and my Station is going to start issuing them in October (Glocktober as our FIs are calling it, they already have theirs).  

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The FS 19X is a called a G17. USCBP bought a universal frame version called the G47. It will accept G19, G17, and G34 slides and uses the full size magazine. USCBP was smart enough to recognize that girth is identical between G17 and G19, and small hands shoot the G17 as well (or poorly) as the shorter G19. With most pistols being issued to uniformed patrol types, it made no sense to adopt a small, lower capacity G19 frame.

Sorry, I'm not following. I know what the G47 is, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the 19X. The pistol in the Maple Leaf photo has the tan frame of a G19X, including the small nub at the front of the grip (that prevents it from using Gen 5 mags). Unless CBP issued tan G19X frames with the G47, and are allowing their agents to do custom milling on their issued pistols, I think the Maple Leaf photos must be showing someone's G19X that swapped out their original slide for an FS slide, then had it milled.

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Sorry, I'm not following. I know what the G47 is, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the 19X. The pistol in the Maple Leaf photo has the tan frame of a G19X, including the small nub at the front of the grip (that prevents it from using Gen 5 mags). Unless CBP issued tan G19X frames with the G47, and are allowing their agents to do custom milling on their issued pistols, I think the Maple Leaf photos must be showing someone's G19X that swapped out their original slide for an FS slide, then had it milled.

I hesitate to say that Longeye was incorrect, but he may not have accurately stated what he wanted to say, or (more likely) there is an LE option with which I'm not familiar.  The Customs & Border Patrol G47 is essentially a G45 frame with a G17 length slide and barrel, and an extension to the recoil spring nub similar to the G34/35 and G48 so it properly matches the G19 sized dust cover.  I said this before, I think that is the way Glock will go in the future.  They'll come up with a name or way to sell it on the civilian market.  Two frame sizes, G19 Gen 5 and G45/47.  Two slides with the same internal parts (except barrel length), G19 and G47 (G17 length) sizes.  Brownells sells G19L slides and barrels for the Gen3 guns that essentially duplicate the G47 slide, i.e. G17 length on a G19.  I'll be very surprised if they don't make a Gen5 compatible slide since the modifications are minor.  

With regards to the Mapleleaf 19x photo, the options are:
1.  The customer asked for the vertical vs. slanted serrations because he liked it.
2.  The customer had the work done on a G19 slide that had the front serrations.
3.  Purchased a blank slide and had them do it.
In all cases, the slide had to be refinished, so the color ended up what the customer wanted.  In my case, I opted for the black nitride finish, and I'm very happy with it.  I haven't carried or shot them enough to see if the nitride is any less durable than the factory finish.  It is the older, more matte finish than the current satin DLC type.

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Sorry, I'm not following. I know what the G47 is, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the 19X. The pistol in the Maple Leaf photo has the tan frame of a G19X, including the small nub at the front of the grip (that prevents it from using Gen 5 mags). Unless CBP issued tan G19X frames with the G47, and are allowing their agents to do custom milling on their issued pistols, I think the Maple Leaf photos must be showing someone's G19X that swapped out their original slide for an FS slide, then had it milled.

I think Longeye used the abbreviation FS to mean two different things: full size (in his comment that the full-size version of the 19X is 17) and for "front serrations."  There aren't any 19X with front serrations. I have one that ATEi milled, and another I sold to a buddy.  The idea of the G47 with the universal pick-your-slide-length is appealing to me. 

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I think Longeye used the abbreviation FS to mean two different things: full size (in his comment that the full-size version of the 19X is 17) and for "front serrations."  There aren't any 19X with front serrations. I have one that ATEi milled, and another I sold to a buddy.  The idea of the G47 with the universal pick-your-slide-length is appealing to me. 

 Ah, got it, I can see that. Sorry, I think the three of us were talking past each other. I was just saying that I really like this Maple Leaf Duty Cut package with the angled serrations on the sides:

However, I'd like to have it done on a Gen 5, but the current version that I prefer (with no half-moon magwell cutout) only comes with front serrations. You can see in this photo below that Maple Leaf can only do vertical serrations on an FS slide. Note how the lower part of the serrations, which match up with the factory serrations on the FS slide, are aligned with the vertical serrations that Maple Leaf added as part of their package. I think it's unlikely that the owner of the pistol below would have had them add the lower part of forward serrations to match a Glock factory FS slide, so clearly the slide is not original to the 19X frame. The slide and barrel serial numbers also don't match.

The only point I was trying to make is that it looks like my only option to get the angled serration package on a current Gen 5 Glock would be to use an aftermarket blank slide or a G19X (and refinish the tan slide).

As far as the original topic goes, I think I'm going to hold off on buying the M17 anytime soon (out of stock at places that do MIL/LE pricing anyway). However, I'll probably buy a couple 21 round mags in case things like that get even harder to find this fall.

I started off as a Sig fan, but as someone else mentioned, after buying a P226 in 9mm and one in .40, , a P228, a 9mm P239, and a Mosquito (ugh), I got really turned off by the rainbow of options (literally, in a few examples) that Sig started to offer in their pistol line. At the same time, I started reading the reports of their quality control issues. From there, I switched to HK, but I eventually came around to Glocks for the same reasons others mentioned: parts availability, an incredible variety of aftermarket options (namely holsters), and affordable magazines.

Dave

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 Ah, got it, I can see that. Sorry, I think the three of us were talking past each other. I was just saying that I really like this Maple Leaf Duty Cut package with the angled serrations on the sides:

However, I'd like to have it done on a Gen 5, but the current version that I prefer (with no half-moon magwell cutout) only comes with front serrations. You can see in this photo below that Maple Leaf can only do vertical serrations on an FS slide. Note how the lower part of the serrations, which match up with the factory serrations on the FS slide, are aligned with the vertical serrations that Maple Leaf added as part of their package. I think it's unlikely that the owner of the pistol below would have had them add the lower part of forward serrations to match a Glock factory FS slide, so clearly the slide is not original to the 19X frame. The slide and barrel serial numbers also don't match.

The only point I was trying to make is that it looks like my only option to get the angled serration package on a current Gen 5 Glock would be to use an aftermarket blank slide or a G19X (and refinish the tan slide).

As far as the original topic goes, I think I'm going to hold off on buying the M17 anytime soon (out of stock at places that do MIL/LE pricing anyway). However, I'll probably buy a couple 21 round mags in case things like that get even harder to find this fall.

I started off as a Sig fan, but as someone else mentioned, after buying a P226 in 9mm and one in .40, , a P228, a 9mm P239, and a Mosquito (ugh), I got really turned off by the rainbow of options (literally, in a few examples) that Sig started to offer in their pistol line. At the same time, I started reading the reports of their quality control issues. From there, I switched to HK, but I eventually came around to Glocks for the same reasons others mentioned: parts availability, an incredible variety of aftermarket options (namely holsters), and affordable magazines.

Dave

Bigtexoutdoors.com sells OEM slides.  Right now, their Gen 5 Glock 19 slides are out of stock.  I don't know if they have them available without the forward serrations.  I needed a G43x slide and had to wait until they had them in stock.  I would suggest giving them a call or email and find out if the non forward serrations are available.  $289 is what they list for a stripped slide.

Based solely on that photo above, I suspect the owner kept his 19x slide in original condition and opted to do the work on a regular 19.

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The Glock 17/19 is a bit too big for my hands, and even worse for my wife. I also like having the option of a 1911-style manual safety. Those are two big things Glock doesn't offer, and sums up why I switched to the P320 (and P365).

The 320's FCU chassis system let me swap out the grip, and the Small is a MUCH better fit for me than a Glock. Since the grip frame is only $40 or so, I can also "improve" it much more freely if I ever need to. So the FCU is very valuable to me; not a gimmick.

The manual safety lever on the P320 is shaped a little weirdly. It's very good for taking OFF safe, but somewhat painful/uncomfortable to put back ON safe with my firing hand thumb. The optional manual safety lever on the Springfield XD and XDM has better ergonomics (basically perfect) for me. That said, the P320 manual safety is good enough, and I'm getting used to it. The P365 manual safety is great, I wouldn't change anything about it.

I almost went with the Springfield XDM, but then the 320 became available. The XDM grip is also MUCH thinner than Glock, despite its grip safety, but its backstrap system is inferior to swapping the whole grip on the Sig. The XDM apparently is also trickier (and thus more expensive) to mill for red dots.

Btw, Glock could design an FCU chassis gun if they wanted, but they seem COMMITTED to their plastic magazines, which means Glock grips will always be fatter than they need to be. Even Glock's nominally "single stack" pistols are weirdly fat, with magazines that are much fatter than a real single stack. You guys with huge hands don't care, but "small hands" has been a gaping whole in the market for a long time (both civilian and agency, especially for double-stack pistols), and Sig filled it cleverly with their combo of P320 and P365.

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