Milsim Gear

Read more, post less.  The question you ask are in the 1st line, 2nd line and 3rd line folders.  


If it's a Pain in the Ass....you're doing it WRONG

I don't make policy, only suggestions, take them as such.

 

Joined: 8/5/05    Location: 20 miles west of Gettysburg, PA

 

 

Heed the above advice.

In reality, "the mission drives the gear."

That is, your loadout will be tailored to the assignment you have and your role therein.

For someone with no military service playing air soft, I would place an emphasis on carrying plenty of water and electrolyte beverages to stay adequately hydrated. I don't think you will need to worry about things like carrying extra belts for the MG, claymores, radio batteries, signaling devices, smoke, etc.

 

Most of the usual suspects here attempt to make training/simulation as close to real world as possible.  Nonetheless, we all realize that there is often significant difference between real world and training.  If air soft games are new to you, you would be better off seeking advice from experienced air softers,

You may recall "Saving Private Ryan" where the Ranger captain tells a couple of people to ditch their typewriters because they would be useless real world.  In air soft, you may need the typewriter for some reason.  If you're storming Omaha Beach or policing the streets of Maryland in the real world, you'll find good advice here.  If you just want to look authentic, I'd echo the read more/post less advice.

 

Good luck with the air soft games.

APOMODERN, Don't get discouraged by the less-than-warm response.  There is a ton of experience here and much knowledge is gleaned from reading old posts and using the search function.  Generally, the guys are put off by very general questions like, "tell me what gear I should get...".  You need to spend time exploring the various topics and old threads and get a "feel" for the "tone" of the place before jumping into question mode.  Remember, lots of the guys here are serving mil or LE or retired same.  Several of them have done some serious stuff.  Generally, they are polite to those who follow the rules and are respectful.  People are slowly beginning to change their dim view of airsofters as there appears to be some training value in the gear.  Jumping onto a site full of serious guys and basically saying, "I want to dress up like you guys.  Any tips on how I can pull that off?" is something you should be cautious about.

Finally, I may be out of my lane (not a mod), but your profile says you joined LF on 28 July this year.  I can't seem to find your mandatory introduction post in "Crusader Hall - New Member Intros".  Did you do that?  That is the first step.

Joined sometime in 2008.                  Live in Canada.        

You know, I used to take a dim view of all mil-sim activities, but I now think, if done properly, it has a lot of value.  Like anything else, it can become an end unto itself, however, the bottom line is most guys never get off the square range and practice skills that can only be learned in a field setting.  So if your goal is to learn skill sets that may be required in a WROL type situation, then it has real value.  If you are just playing army for shits n giggles, well, you deserve all the derision you get from here.  That may sound harsh, and it's only my opinion, but personally I don't feel like sharing T,T,P's with folks that are just playing games; I signed up to serve my country; I spent my time "on the wall" watching for our enemies.  Sometimes, playing these games makes a mockery of that, for entertainment value.  

Nonetheless, if you train in a realistic manner, and are doing it for a good reason, milsim training can be invaluable.

Now to the OP, this is exactly what I'm talking about.  The concern is about clothing, weapons and equipment, not the tactics to use them.  This may sound funny coming from a gearqueer like myself, but, oftentimes the intent is to just dress up and play army, not to learn how to really soldier.  Not this guy's fault he is merely illustrating a common theme in today's society; it's all about image, not competence.

What the guy should be asking is what do I need to show up and  get involved in the training.  And that, as someone already pointed out, is best asked of the folks running the sims.  Coming here and asking for essentially fashion advice is not helping your cause.

I will say this.  I did some of my best training, with old fashioned, out of date weapons and equipment that I was issued active duty.  The stuff I have today is light years ahead of what I had to train with back in the day.  But train we did, and got very good at it, with very primitive gear as compared to today.  That's the message.  Quit worrying about what the cool guys are wearing.  Concentrate on learning the trade.

Unless you're just playing reindeer games; in that case do what you want; but don't ask vets for advice.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

There's nothing wrong with MILSIM.  There's nothing wrong with Airsoft.  There's nothing wrong with MILSIMers and airsofters wanting to LOOK the "Part".  The PROBLEM comes from someone coming from the gaming world, coming onto a "Professional" page, and asking FASHION advice.  

There's PLENTY of discussion on the latest and greatest equipment on here.  From the Jungle Kit thread/s, to the best plate carriers out there, to war belt set up.  Hell, there's even a PICTURE thread, or two, on what's being worn and why (Stud and Not Quite Stud).  The information is already all over this forum, without having to SPOON feed it, which was my POINT.  

Soldiers wear body armor because it's effective to stop us from being KILLED.  Not because it looks "cool", not because it's sexy, but because it's EFFECTIVE.  Since I have YET to see a MILSIM event take body armor into account, WHY wear it?  There's a lot better ways of carrying what you need to carry, such as a chest rig or even LBE.

I never said that MILSIMer/Airsofters shouldn't read through our threads and learn from them.  What I'm against is, "I'm too lazy to read through the threads, so do my work FOR me and TELL me".  The BETTER way to gain the information is First hand, by signing up for service and doing the job.  As the OP is in Berlin, I would personally suggest that he volunteer for the KSK (Kommando Spezialkräfte)in the Deutsch Bundeswehr. 

One issue I have about MILSIM stuff is "weight".  Milsim'ers want to LOOK the part, but don't want to carry the weight associated with any of it.  Going into OIF I, I wore the last generation "Ranger Body Armor", Mich Helmet, 12-14 magazines, couple of frags/smoke, MBITR radio with spare battery, Full BOK/IFAK, and on and on.  "But it's a GAME, so why carry all that weight?".  OK, then why not go as light as possible and quit looking like some US Army Ranger "Door Kicker"?  Everyone wants to be a "Ranger", till it's time to do Ranger STUFF.

While I didn't answer the OP's question in the manner he was expecting, I was FAR from being an asshole about it.  


If it's a Pain in the Ass....you're doing it WRONG

I don't make policy, only suggestions, take them as such.

 

Joined: 8/5/05    Location: 20 miles west of Gettysburg, PA

 

 

libertarian45 posted:

APOMODERN, Don't get discouraged by the less-than-warm response.  There is a ton of experience here and much knowledge is gleaned from reading old posts and using the search function.  

Finally, I may be out of my lane (not a mod), but your profile says you joined LF on 28 July this year.  I can't seem to find your mandatory introduction post in "Crusader Hall - New Member Intros".  Did you do that?  That is the first step.

APOMODERN, It is warmer here than it it used to be.  You have not posted an intro, do it before making another post. I am an old LSHD ,POG , gear queer. But questions I have asked regarding gear were on what worked the best. Not looked the coolest. Most people here don't care about fashion. For Airsoft, get what works for that. Also, there are people here that are real serious BTDT folks. Remember to stay in your lane. There is a wealth of information on this site if you look for it.

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

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