Looks like we're headed that way with a man portable, 10 pound 60mm mortar.  This video was posted on another website who mentioned it had been adopted by a Polish Special forces unit:

     

 

 


 

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Hmm, interesting.  Although I expected it to be a video of some SF guy beating the bejesus out of some ISIS fuck with a mortar tube...

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So they are basically taking the light weight trigger fired mortar (US M224A1) and making it even lighter using light weight materials.  Cool.  what is the weight of the rounds, I didn't see that in the video.  Will it fire the 60mm rounds already in the US system?   it looks like it could be very useful for SOF and light units.

Apparently Amorworks showed it at SOFIC in 2015 and they claimed that a thermobaric round is available. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIgVNGiZVI  

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Pretty interesting. This would be a huge advantage at a squad or platoon level. Having organic mortars rather than coordinating with a separate mortar section every time.

I'm pretty interested in the manual fire option. There's a trigger on the handle that allows the operator to fire it without dropping the round down the tube.

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These have existed before. I remember reading about 1 man 50mm mortars in Janes.....in the early 90s.

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Teufelhund3066 posted:

 

I'm pretty interested in the manual fire option. There's a trigger on the handle that allows the operator to fire it without dropping the round down the tube.

Don't our current 60mm's have that?

 

 

 

 

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LobsterClaw207 posted:
Teufelhund3066 posted:

 

I'm pretty interested in the manual fire option. There's a trigger on the handle that allows the operator to fire it without dropping the round down the tube.

Don't our current 60mm's have that?

Yup.  But oh man, where to begin...

Single-manned mortars fired off of the small baseplate are cool and all, but using something with just over 1,000m range is giving up a lot of capability in the trade-off for lower weight.  Good for some applications, but I'd much rather have a single three-man team attached to a platoon, with an M224.  Better rate of fire, more ammo, etc.

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LobsterClaw207 posted:
Teufelhund3066 posted:

 

I'm pretty interested in the manual fire option. There's a trigger on the handle that allows the operator to fire it without dropping the round down the tube.

Don't our current 60mm's have that?

ah, I was not aware. I let all the 0341s have the tube-stroking fun. I just got to ask them on the radio to blow shit up

I think a system like this could still have some merit at the squad/platoon level. Similar to having a SMAW or AT-4 at the squad level, rather than always having an assault section attached.

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Seems like it would be a good force multiplier for initial assaults, SOF, advance teams, and so forth.  Obvious advantage is lighter weight and one man pack, but I also think the speed of deployment would be a big advantage.  Imagine laying accurate indirect fire on a 500m target as the helocopter is lifting off after the insertion.  That would be very fast and help helo survivability, IMO.

Agreed that 1000m is a big trade off at 1/3 the range of a crew served 60mm, but the speed of deployment, portability, and potential for multiple tubes at the same overall weight could really improve the mobility and firepower of smaller elements in many situations.

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TNYankee posted:

Seems like it would be a good force multiplier for initial assaults, SOF, advance teams, and so forth.  Obvious advantage is lighter weight and one man pack, but I also think the speed of deployment would be a big advantage.  Imagine laying accurate indirect fire on a 500m target as the helocopter is lifting off after the insertion.  That would be very fast and help helo survivability, IMO.

Agreed that 1000m is a big trade off at 1/3 the range of a crew served 60mm, but the speed of deployment, portability, and potential for multiple tubes at the same overall weight could really improve the mobility and firepower of smaller elements in many situations.

How much ammunition would have to be ported to be effectively employed?

 We used to deploy our sixties like that years ago ;in a light role.When the Bns lost their mor platoons we started using the sixties with baseplate and bipod.  guys will never fire enough rounds to get accurate  trigger firing.A little trick we used was knotted string taped to the muzzle to swag elevation. and I didn't see if that tube  had a sight line painted on it .

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TNYankee posted:

Seems like it would be a good force multiplier for initial assaults, SOF, advance teams, and so forth.  Obvious advantage is lighter weight and one man pack, but I also think the speed of deployment would be a big advantage.  Imagine laying accurate indirect fire on a 500m target as the helocopter is lifting off after the insertion.  That would be very fast and help helo survivability, IMO.

Unless you hit the helicopter with a mortar round accidentally.  Some of my IA counterparts scared one of our pilots by shooting their mortar as the chopper was coming in for a landing at our COP.

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No perfect answers, only options and choices, tradeoffs and sacrifices.  Just saying that if choosing between no mortar due to weight and three-man team size, or having one of these with 12-15 rounds distributed, among the element, I'll consider one of these, mission dependent.

Of course, they are not an option for me now, and my grunt life was a looong time ago.  When we were prepping for air assault into Haiti, one of our mission was to take down the airport.  Indirect fire was a challenge due to the weight, team size, time to deploy, etc.  I could see these being a good solution for that application, and better than 40mm.

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firemission4mortars posted:

 We used to deploy our sixties like that years ago ;in a light role.When the Bns lost their mor platoons we started using the sixties with baseplate and bipod.  guys will never fire enough rounds to get accurate  trigger firing.A little trick we used was knotted string taped to the muzzle to swag elevation. and I didn't see if that tube  had a sight line painted on it .

Yours didn't have the bubble sight on the trigger/handgrip mechanism?

As for ammunition required for effective employment, you could swag 3 rounds to get suppressive effects on a point target and maybe two at the most for an area target.  So at the top side, 3x rds (say, M888 or M720 at 3.75  lbs if using current M224s) per tgt =  11.25 lbs.  Do the math per engagement and the weight gets up there fast.

If the element is small, it needs access to a vehicle to stow it all.  Remember this video?

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TNYankee posted:

No perfect answers, only options and choices, tradeoffs and sacrifices.  Just saying that if choosing between no mortar due to weight and three-man team size, or having one of these with 12-15 rounds distributed, among the element, I'll consider one of these, mission dependent.

Of course, they are not an option for me now, and my grunt life was a looong time ago.  When we were prepping for air assault into Haiti, one of our mission was to take down the airport.  Indirect fire was a challenge due to the weight, team size, time to deploy, etc.  I could see these being a good solution for that application, and better than 40mm.

I agree, another tool in the box.  But,  We do have to consider the integration of the system into the scheme of maneuver.  IIRC in Iraq we were clearing our own 60MM handheld fires because the max ordinate was so low.  I suspect that would be the case here, but I would defer to one of our LF Fires guys or mortarmen.   

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My British Army Infantry days were back in the late 70s and we still had the 51mm. Never used it in anger but the  battle  template, as far as I remember, was that each man in the section would carry two rounds.

The 60mm mortar was a temp measure for use in Afghanistan and I believe, except for rapid deployment units (Para, RM) have been put into storage. Reg Brit infantry now have all their mortar eggs in the 81mm basket.

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cd228 posted:
TNYankee posted:

No perfect answers, only options and choices, tradeoffs and sacrifices.  Just saying that if choosing between no mortar due to weight and three-man team size, or having one of these with 12-15 rounds distributed, among the element, I'll consider one of these, mission dependent.

Of course, they are not an option for me now, and my grunt life was a looong time ago.  When we were prepping for air assault into Haiti, one of our mission was to take down the airport.  Indirect fire was a challenge due to the weight, team size, time to deploy, etc.  I could see these being a good solution for that application, and better than 40mm.

I agree, another tool in the box.  But,  We do have to consider the integration of the system into the scheme of maneuver.  IIRC in Iraq we were clearing our own 60MM handheld fires because the max ordinate was so low.  I suspect that would be the case here, but I would defer to one of our LF Fires guys or mortarmen.   

I would hope company commanders (and whomever owns a 60mm system below that) could still clear their own fires.

When I was in LAR, company commanders could clear their organic 81s in both IRQ and AFG.

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