MSAR E4/AUG Questions and Advice

You are welcome! I was simply pissed that this rifle existed for such a long time and the manufacturer was not able to improve the major issues that I encountered when using it for more than 20 years. And so I helped myself with the support of some good friends.

 

Thank you SHOOBE01! Weird, because I updated the account before I posted the pics. Anyways. When I have time I will create a new account.

The pics show for me. 

Mojo/Mark
__________________________
Yo homey, is that my briefcase...?
Vincent from "Collateral"
__________________________
You want the good life, you break your back, you snap your fingers, you snap your neck... Prong/Demon Hunter
__________________________

Because...I Can. 


Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

We were able to borrow it for a gun show. I have no experience with Inforce lights. But on first glance they were very ergonomic and light weight. I somehow liked the setup from the picture above (at least from an ergonomical point of view).

Haggen77 Awesome. 

I will not be at SHOT, but you will have another customer in me. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Hagen77 posted:

We were able to borrow it for a gun show. I have no experience with Inforce lights. But on first glance they were very ergonomic and light weight. I somehow liked the setup from the picture above (at least from an ergonomical point of view).

OK.

Rumor has it Dagga Boy AKA nyeti AKA Darryl Bolke is entertaining teaching an AUG specific class, possibly with Giles Stock: https://pistol-forum.com/showt...iewfull=1#post809349

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

老僧三十年前未參禪時、見山是山、見水是水、及至後夾親見知識、有箇入處、見山不是山、見水不是水、而今得箇體歇處、依然見山秪是山、見水秪是水。


Joined: 2008-07-16

Depending on the dates I would take a trip for that. Or if it was around the SHOT Show I would help find a venue in Vegas. 

------------

"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

San Antonio as a location has me very interested, and maybe even able to drag the wife with her southpaw AUG. I will start the convincing soon. Prerequisites needed to prep for possibility. 

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

Depending on the dates and the location, this guy might be interested.

-------------------------

Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Wow, that was fast.  If I think I can fill a class, I would love to do an AUG specific class.  I have a comm shot out to Giles Stock right now to co-instruct it.  Trust me, if Hagen 77 makes the trip, he will be impressed in instructor service.  

I will need to find the right venue.  Obviously, I prefer DALLAS, but if I could find a sponsor for it, I would entertain Vegas the weekend before SHOT.  Spring in Dallas may work.  I might be able to run at our facility as a close quarters course that would be 50 yards and in...which would be fine for the AUG.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Dagga Boy posted:

Wow, that was fast.  If I think I can fill a class, I would love to do an AUG specific class.  I have a comm shot out to Giles Stock right now to co-instruct it.  Trust me, if Hagen 77 makes the trip, he will be impressed in instructor service.  

I will need to find the right venue.  Obviously, I prefer DALLAS, but if I could find a sponsor for it, I would entertain Vegas the weekend before SHOT.  Spring in Dallas may work.  I might be able to run at our facility as a close quarters course that would be 50 yards and in...which would be fine for the AUG.

Dammit, I’d love to see that! 

=======================
Forward!
Where we are, where we belong, where we should be.

  

Location: Back in Bris-Vegas, wondering at the bright lights of the big smoke

Update:  We are not able to use our normal facility unless I restrict the class to LE only....which ain’t going to happen.  I will start looking in the DFW area for a venue that is civilized.   Giles Stock will not be able to instruct, but will be helping me to develop the curriculum.  I talked to Giles today and he is in agreement that this type of class would be beneficial because those of us who have taken AUGs to basically AR classes essentially get ignored except to be ridiculed right up to the top shooter award...;-).  A vast majority of instructors have zero AUG time and really cannot help to give solid hints and TTP’s.  I will be developing the curriculum geared for urban solo use by citizens and LE.  Hopefully, we can get enough participants to make it go.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

What range requirements would we need? I might have a source/ location.

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

com cam guy posted:

What range requirements would we need? I might have a source/ location.

Would like a 100 yards, but can get by with 50.  Class room, and real bathrooms and within an hour of Dallas would be optimal.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

I might be able to work many of those except the Dallas thing. It would be about 15 miles SE of the Alamo here in San Antonio

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

I will entertain San Antonio.  We ll see what pans out.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

If you’re interested in Vegas the weekend before SHOT I will contact the Clark County Shooting Park to see what it takes/costs to reserve one of their ranges for private use. They are closed today and tomorrow so I’ll get on it Wed. 

------------

"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

I am a member of a private range, I will make some inquiry’s if it would be possible and cost. One of the other members does ccs out there at times so there’s precedence. 

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

It would be fun to instruct!

The only way that this would work for me is when the class takes place in Las Vegas around or at SHOT Show. I will be in Las Vegas from 20th to 26th of January. I would work at the booth but could take a day off easily. But currently my journey is still pending due to other tasks. I should know that next week or so.

I will be following the developments here closely.  Do not want to miss this opportunity if Darryl makes it go.  Something tells me you will not have problems filling the class.

--Dave

 

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally."

Really glad you didn't post this last week. I barely avoided buying one of the many pretty cheap AUGs (or the even cheaper MSAR) at the Tulsa gun show this weekend. Really rather want to, but wife would be made with an unplanned $2,000 or so. 

But, not owning one, it's been a long ass time since I shot an AUG in a class. This sounds cool, and we need more things like this around. Good idea. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

I'm good for Vegas/SHOT of course, but depending on the dates, Texas would be great too.  Good to see my kids and Casket again as part of the trip.

-------------------------

Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I ordered some more mags in anticipation of the training. 44mag.com had Steyr 30s, 42s and PMags in stock, all for less than $20 each with free standard shipping. Good fortune. 

Did Corvus Defensio partner with a US distributor? I need a case deflector. 

------------

"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

JW104 posted:

Did Corvus Defensio partner with a US distributor? I need a case deflector. 

I bought one of their optics rails through the Steyr USA store.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread, an AUG-centric class would be another item off my bucket list. 

"Stupid hurts. So don't do it."

D4A60E0A-DAF2-463B-948C-BAAFF8003D39I think I may have a good DFW venue.  I will be working on getting out to look at the facility.  I am looking forward to developing a dedicated AUG class.  First will likely be two days, but I think a one day “Intro to the AUG” may be a good option to be able to travel to locations with as sort of an add on to events or part of larger events like SHOT show.  If I can get a sponsor to send my wife and I to SHOT as Pro Staff, I could likely tag a one day seminar to that.  

I FINALLY got an M1 and got it fully equipped.  I have been diverted on classic and pre war revolvers for awhile so this took a monetary back seat.  The stars aligned and I finally got my sort of “dream” AUG done.  The Corvus Defnesio parts are awesome.  I may mount an Aimpoint T2 on top of the ACOG.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Attachments

Photos (1)

Awesome news about the DFW venue.  I know you will have a lot of gear to schlepp, and a shorter drive helps.  

Just curious - you running a Surefire can with that?  And did PJ hook you up with one of the suppressor gas plugs?

I'm researching cans now.  Due to weight and balance, I'd like to get something relatively short and light.  

I have not been able to find one of the old Ratworx dedicated cans for love or money.   I'm not a fan at all of buying used cans, but I'd make an exception for one of those.

SeriousStudent posted:

Awesome news about the DFW venue.  I know you will have a lot of gear to schlepp, and a shorter drive helps.  

Just curious - you running a Surefire can with that?  And did PJ hook you up with one of the suppressor gas plugs?

I'm researching cans now.  Due to weight and balance, I'd like to get something relatively short and light.  

I have not been able to find one of the old Ratworx dedicated cans for love or money.   I'm not a fan at all of buying used cans, but I'd make an exception for one of those.

It is set up to take my 7.62K can that I need to get out of jail.  It will work on my Steyr but is mainly for my 6.8 LMT or LaRue Ranger rifle.

I had the suppressor gas plug when Giles Stock and I had the only two in the US.  It is now in the gun I posted.  I think the gun was traded in because the previous owner was trying to run it suppressed and did not know how to clean the gun....Which is a bad combo.  The gun was a mess inside when I got it.

I worked with Surefire a long time ago to try to run an AUG suppressed.  It was a total failure as the can totally over functions the gas system.  Keep in mind, the AUG was a piston gun long before it was cool.  They are a bit different.  Using a proper suppressed gas plug and a small lightweight can could likely be a good combo.  For me, having the gun simply able to take a can is nice, but the main thing I am looking to see how it works is the Surefire brake should make the thing shoot neutral and totally flat.  

If shooting suppressed all the time is a big issue, I think we are way ahead of the game in development on the AR side of the house.  With that said, it is something that is catching up with the AUG.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

You know how deaf I am.  About this only thing I shoot unsuppressed any more is a self-defense pistol or shotgun.

I have an email into PJ for one of his suppressed gas plugs, and am thinking a Rugged or Dead Air titanium/Iconel .7.62 can with a 5.56 endcap.  That will only add about 5 to 6 inches to the overall length.  If there was a reflex can worth a shit, I'd snag one of those.

SeriousStudent posted:

You know how deaf I am.  About this only thing I shoot unsuppressed any more is a self-defense pistol or shotgun.

I have an email into PJ for one of his suppressed gas plugs, and am thinking a Rugged or Dead Air titanium/Iconel .7.62 can with a 5.56 endcap.  That will only add about 5 to 6 inches to the overall length.  If there was a reflex can worth a shit, I'd snag one of those.

LMT has a reflex can coming, although it's suppose to be a heavy son-of-a-bitch. Alleges minimal backpressure. https://lmtdefense.com/suppres.../vbs-5-56-suppressor

If you want light and short, I've been down the rabbit-hole lately, and the SAS Eadrom MX and Brevis II Ultra both stood out to me.

The main issue will be finding something that has the proper threading for an AUG.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

老僧三十年前未參禪時、見山是山、見水是水、及至後夾親見知識、有箇入處、見山不是山、見水不是水、而今得箇體歇處、依然見山秪是山、見水秪是水。


Joined: 2008-07-16

I will be conducting an AUG specific class in the spring of 2019. Likely April and in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.  The plan is for an easy paced two day course.  The goal will be to get students to understand the benefits of the AUG rifles and maximize them and to understand the negative features and how to work around them.  By specializing the material to what Pat Rogers called the Asymetric Carbine, students will get directed instruction on their rifle rather than trying to attend an AR based course and left to figure things out for themselves.

For those looking to acquire guns and accessories.  I HIGHLY recommend PJ’s Steyr AUG as Pete has a very long history not just selling guns but being able to support them post sale.  I recommend the new AUG A3 M1 with a rail and either a high quality low power variable or Aimpoint.  Mounting optics behind the bolt locking notch is recommended.  For aftermarket accessories I can recommend Corvus Defensio without hesitation.  The owner is likely the top subject matter expert on the planet on running and supporting the AUG platform.  

If you are planning on running a suppressed gun, do some extensive research.  Just throwing a suppresor on the end of an AUG barrel is not a recipe for success.  I also prefer guns that take AUG specific magazines rather than using NATO stocks to take AR pattern magazines.  

Hope this helps and stand by for final dates and location.  

Darryl Bolke-HiTS 

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

57EF1E18-3623-43A0-BCD7-C2D12BB50FCAGot my AUG A3 reset with a different light, iron sights and optic.  Aimpoint Comp M5 and X/S off set express sights seems to work well together.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Attachments

Photos (1)

Add Reply

Likes (17)
Gigolo Soldier of LoveK.O.A.M.Parker7887GLOCK10MMMatlockburkevadudedadAvtech850Linz22Echo7HorsemanTheTunalpd540822FBeat TrashAntoniusHigh Exposure
Copyright Lightfighter Tactical Forum 2002-2019
×
×
×
×
×