MSAR E4/AUG Questions and Advice

Originally Posted by Dorsai:

Re lights.  Years ago, I shot a class with a guy who was running an AUG.  He had a Surefire flashlight mounted to the barrel with a scope ring type clamp so he could hit the light with his support hand thumb and still remove the barrel without issues.

 

I use the Sidearmor mount on my A2 (an older variant than the one below) with a DBAL on top and a Surefire Micro scout on the left side.  I previously ran a Scout by itself before I got the DBAL and also used my left thumb to activate it.  It works GREAT, and it is what I want to set up for the Fury using the Steyr rails on a separate barrel assembly.  For those with an A1 or A2, this is the hot setup: http://www.sidearmor.com/index...idgc8mjtgo94n5d1ens5

 

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"After messing around with the new A3 for the last couple of days, I am leaning towards just leaving it the way it is".

 

Disappointing

 

 

 

 

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The trigger wasnt bad on my new A3. Not as good as most of my AR15 rifles and alot better than both of my Imbel FAL and FN Scar 17 rifles.

Went and purchased the Neu-Trigger, believe thats the $28 part mentioned above, and it did make a noticable difference in shorter reset with what "feels" to be a lighter trigger pull.

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I did leave off one absolute modification.  Use a dremel or a file or sand paper to break the edges off the safety.  If you run the gun correctly with safety use in a class, the sharp edges will eat you.

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I'm still in conductor training right now but when I get back home, a bullpup is on my "to buy" list and in the 3-way race between the AUG, Tavor and FS2000, the AUG is leading the way right now.  With the pay hike over my old GS9 pay or even my military pay, I may actually be able to afford more than one now but again, still leaning heavily towards the AUG first.  Thanks to the gents from the land down under for the manual of arms tips.  That ought to shorten the learning curve a bit.  

As far as optics go, I'm still torn on what to go with.  The Steyr 1.5 scope was being considered early on but I am looking at other options as well.  First is the typical dot sights like an M-68 or EOTech.  Reason I'm leaning this way is that the short length lends itself to CQB range engagements and these sights are tops in this department.  Option 2 is looking at something like an ACOG.  Ranges in ND are pretty long being open country and the 3X of an ACOG can't be ignored.  Problem is the lack of speed at shorter ranges compared to an Aimpoint.  Option 3 is a set of iron sights, maybe along the line of the H&K 416 drum sights.  They're cheaper and of course no batteries to die and I've never had any real problem with using them.  However, the shorter sight radius makes accurate shooting much harder to accomplish.  So, not really sure which way I want to go here.  How is the accuracy with the AUG?  The AUG A1 we had at Hurlburt Field seemed pretty accurate but I never shot it for groups. What kind of groups can I expect with say M855 ammo run through one with the 1:9 barrel?

I haven't shot the A3 yet, but all the indications I got from folks I trust is they are solid MOA guns, which is fine for me.  My A2 was always a good shooter and shot to within the Aimpoint dot.  

 

I wouldn't use an E/O tech.  I am biased, but in the case of the AUG you really want something narrow, and it is critical that the sight doesn't go down (by itself, dead batteries, or just broke).  It is why I use the Aimpoint Comp M4S as the highest level of reliability I can get.  Some of the ACOGs would be good as well.  You could also use an Aimpoint and a 3X magnifier in a twist mount.  In this case I would go with a Micro T1, and I may test this out as well.

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I've been in the same conundrum as well regarding optics. I'd throw an Aimpoint on it normally, but that would be pretty redundant with some of the ARs I have. So instead I'm looking at 1-4x scope options.

 

The two leading contenders currently are the Leupold Mark AR Mod1 1.5-4x SPR reticle and the Vortex PST 1-4. Both have mil-based reticles, which is great for range compatibility when calling shot corrections. (All my other scopes and spotting scope have mil reticles.) I don't want something BDC-based, since those are all based around AR sight height, and the CQC's top rail is higher than that.

 

The Leupold has the advantage of being very light at 9.6oz, compared to 16oz on the Vortex. Downside of it is that the illumination's control is controlled by one button. By contrast, the Vortex has a dial on the side that controls illumination, kind of like an Aimpoint Micro. Much easier for me to manage without thinking much about it.

 

Other than these, I am of course keeping an eye out on the various classifieds to see if any smoking deals come up for other comparable optics.

 

What other options would you guys suggest?

Originally Posted by USMC03Grunt:

  Thanks to the gents from the land down under for the manual of arms tips.  That ought to shorten the learning curve a bit.  

As far as optics go, I'm still torn on what to go with.  The Steyr 1.5 scope was being considered early on but I am looking at other options as well.  First is the typical dot sights like an M-68 or EOTech.  Reason I'm leaning this way is that the short length lends itself to CQB range engagements and these sights are tops in this department.  Option 2 is looking at something like an ACOG.  Ranges in ND are pretty long being open country and the 3X of an ACOG can't be ignored.  Problem is the lack of speed at shorter ranges compared to an Aimpoint.  Option 3 is a set of iron sights, maybe along the line of the H&K 416 drum sights.  They're cheaper and of course no batteries to die and I've never had any real problem with using them.  However, the shorter sight radius makes accurate shooting much harder to accomplish.  So, not really sure which way I want to go here.  How is the accuracy with the AUG?  The AUG A1 we had at Hurlburt Field seemed pretty accurate but I never shot it for groups. What kind of groups can I expect with say M855 ammo run through one with the 1:9 barrel?


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Even when the 1.5power scope was the only option in town, I actually liked it.

Consider, that the 1.5mag scope was the red dot for the masses in the 70's when it came out. The donut allowed rapid ranging (based on the average height of a man, and how he fit into the donut), and a simple sight picture. I believe the ADI version of the optic reticle added a few bits, made it easier to keep the weapon level for zeroing purposes.

 

It was as simple use as:

- acquire target

- range

- squeeze trigger enough times 'til target goes down

- acquire target

- repeat, repeat, repeat as necessary

 

I've used the 1.5x optic out to 500m on a KD range. The only thing holding me back was my eyesight. It's actually one of our Live Fire serials for marksmanship.

 

As for accuracy: I can't speak for all weapons, but with our ADI manufactured F88's, according to our pam, we could expect a purely mechanical accuracy of something like a 5 round group of 66mm at 100m with standard F1 ball from a mechanical rest. My personal best was a 40mm group of five rounds at 100m.

I'm told that the Steyr made rifles were more accurate again.

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My understanding is that the new FN machine gun barrels that are used in conjunction with the current Vltor receiver are producing consistent sub MOA accuracy.  I think the accuracy "issues" of many of the AUG's over the years was a result of the optic that was more geared to hitting humans at speed than producing great groups.  Now that we have folks able to throw a higher power high quality optic on the AUG rail and bag the gun up, they can shoot some very good groups.  

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I've been in the same conundrum as well regarding optics. I'd throw an Aimpoint on it normally, but that would be pretty redundant with some of the ARs I have. So instead I'm looking at 1-4x scope options.

I mounted a Night force 1-4x on my new A3. (Only because I had it laying around, not because I thought it would be the best optic for the carbine.) I used Leupold PRW .33 rings. My initial impression is that it makes the gun heavy. Balance is still good, but that extra 19 oz. is... 19 oz. If you must go variable, go with the lighter Leupold. I would also go one size higher with the rings. The setup works but requires a firm cheekweld.

 

I think an AP T1 in a DD mount is going to be the ticket, although I wish DD made a HK height mount.

 

I installed a SF X300 on that neat little right side rail. Using the trigger finger to toggle on the light seems to work quite well.

 

I played with EAG fury/ 1" weaver low ring in that location as well, but like the compactness of the pistol light. Barrel shadow seems kinda the same with either.

You could just get an Aimpoint 30mm micro spacer that will use all the stock mount stuff and it will line up perfectly with an Aimpoint twist mount with no spacer if you want magnification. 
For now I am going with the CompM4S mounted well to the rear, but the above option is my solution if I want magnification.

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Welp. Just picked this beast up this evening.

 

Initial impressions: It's heavier than I had expected, and slightly front-heavy from the rails. The trigger does not feel bad at all. Heavy-ish, but with very short travel and with a very crisp break. My only prior experience with a bullpup was with a FS2000 about five years ago, and though I do not recall the specifics of that trigger, I do remember it making my finger feel like Ron Burgundy trying to impress women. (IT'S A DEEP BURN, SO DEEP.) This trigger feels more like a milspec AR trigger on the heavy side, if anything.

 

I immediately threw it in a NATO stock courtesy of Pete Athens, since legally acquiring factory AUG mags here in CO is a no-go. When I tried putting on an ACOG or T1 in Larue lower 1/3 mount, both were too high. I could use them, but they put me at chin weld level. I'm still fairly set on some kind of 1-# optic, but am keeping an eye on the various classifieds for a deal. Current contenders are the Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4 Firedot SPR and the Trijicon Accupoint. Others I've been researching haven't come out as promising. I'd like something with either a ridiculously eye-catching reticle (red triangle Accupoint) or a useful mil-based reticle. Seems I can't have both in one scope, so I have to wait on one or the other in the classifieds.

 

Size comparison with a 14.5" w/ pinned brake and my 11.5" SBR.

Originally Posted by Longeye:

I've been in the same conundrum as well regarding optics. I'd throw an Aimpoint on it normally, but that would be pretty redundant with some of the ARs I have. So instead I'm looking at 1-4x scope options.

I mounted a Night force 1-4x on my new A3. (Only because I had it laying around, not because I thought it would be the best optic for the carbine.) I used Leupold PRW .33 rings. My initial impression is that it makes the gun heavy. Balance is still good, but that extra 19 oz. is... 19 oz. If you must go variable, go with the lighter Leupold. I would also go one size higher with the rings. The setup works but requires a firm cheekweld.

 

I think an AP T1 in a DD mount is going to be the ticket, although I wish DD made a HK height mount.

 

I installed a SF X300 on that neat little right side rail. Using the trigger finger to toggle on the light seems to work quite well.

 

I played with EAG fury/ 1" weaver low ring in that location as well, but like the compactness of the pistol light. Barrel shadow seems kinda the same with either.

 

The more I think about it, the more I'm agreeing with you regarding the Leupold and its weight. (Or lack thereof compared to other 1-4 scopes.) It's at the top of my list as I compulsively refresh the classifieds across various websites.

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I've never seen such a codified & clear manual of arms for this weapon. I've just had an unscheduled moment of learning. I've always had an interest in bullpups - especially the AUG/F88/MSAR. I'm seriously reconsidering getting one.

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I was trying out some of my current optics on the CQC last night and found something interesting. An ACOG was too high, as was a T1 in Larue lower 1/3 mount. Both put me at chin weld level rather than a good cheek weld.

 

However, my Sig 522 has a Millet DMS-1 1-4x in low rings, so I slapped that on the AUG just to see how it would line up. Not only was it at the right height for a good cheek weld, but when I did a rough measure, the height over bore was around 2.6"-2.75". (Hard to be truly precise with a tape measure. I thought this was cool since an AR's height over bore is 2.6". (By comparison, the Tavor, when equipped with an Aimpoint in a lower 1/3 mount, has something like 4" HOB.) This means that scopes with BDC reticles made for ARs won't be far off.

 

From the pictures the CQC rail seems to be taller than the A3 rail. This will create some differences in the optimum mounting solution for the different optics.

 

I swapped the NF 1-4x for a T1 this morning on mine. It makes alot of difference. The T1 is nearly perfect for the concept of this carbine. The balance is ideal, I am glad I opted out of the CQC option.

 

Rat,

 One scope you may look at is the Leupold VX2 2-7x 33mm with LR duplex. It gives approximate holds out to 500 M that seem to be close enough for gov't work. I am running one on a 12.5" and another on my Steyr Scout (conventionally mounted). It is ideal on the Scout. The hashes are nearly perfectly synch'ed on that rifle.

A couple of points.  

 

It doesn't take much to start throwing the weight and balance of an AUG off.  One of the main reasons that I am leaving the barrel free of anything on my new A3 is to preserve the "ass heavy" characteristic of the gun I like for my intended purpose.  I found this out when I put the DBAL on my A2 just above the barrel.  I gained a certain capability, but lost a specific handling characteristic.  Even recently I moved the Aimpoint Comp M4 forward on mine to place a Twist Mount towards the rear to run a magnifier and did not like that minor shift in weight.  It is why I am thinking if I want to run the magnifier, I will go with a T1 in combo with the 3X.

 

I will not say that what you have is "wrong" Rat, but what you have is a very capable "SBR".  The CQC makes the gun essentially a very capable SBR without paperwork or restrictions.  You can run lights, lasers and other gear easier and more efficiently, but it is at a handling price.  With that said, I will take it any day over a 10.5" AR.  I also understand the need to go with the NATO stock due to Colorado's new found stupidity.  As far as the rail-it is what is described as the "Military" height.  I have no idea why, as our in house expert in the Austrian military here at LF'r's AUG has the lower A3 rail.  With the long, high rail you will need to run optics as low as possible.  The big plus of the standard A3 rail is that it is essentially HK416 height, that really helps for finding correct height optics.  As mentioned with the Tavor, the problem with a lot of these guns is you can get some insane height over bore issues.  For some reason many of the Euro Tactical set ups are done like this, but I think it has to do with running a lot in big helmets with face shields and gas masks.  Personally, I try to get my stuff as close to the bore as I can.  

 

If I was running the AUG as a working SWAT gun, the CQC set up would be on my gun.  Luckily, with the big "Ret." after my name, I am looking for minimalist and fast handling.  I have plenty of AR's to hang stuff off of.  I really look at AUG's as carbines for a pistol world…..because I am a cheating bastard and I can run an AUG in very tight confines very efficiently.  It is a great vehicle and indoor carbine.  For field work, I will concede that a AR based platform may be the better way to go.  I plan on trying to take an EAG and a PMAC class with the AUG this year to really see how it works in that world.  Hopefully, the stars will align enough for that to happen.

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I've got a AP T1 on mine at the moment, but its not permanent. That T1 is dedicated to another rifle. I've got an AP PRO incoming and that may find its way atop the AUG. Ill see how that works for me. Also hae a Surefire mini for my light source. 

 

Keep this thread going as its the only non BS AUG source that I know of. 

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The PRO is a good option.  Pull the spacer, put in the short screws with loctite and mount the rear and you are good.  I would highly recommend swapping the QRP mount on the PRO for the LRP for a much narrower profile.

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Where can I get a .22LR AUG. Seriously. Sorry that isn't much of a contribution to this thread, but one of my favorite things ever is .22 clones of weapons I can't afford/don't need, but still like.

 

 

 

 

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Ok, so this is what I ended up with.

Optic: Aimpoint PRO - I wish I could flip the knob on the QRP mount to the other side. I have smashed my knuckles more than a few times now. I am looking at the ADM Low mount as it lets me lose the knob and gets the optic a bit lower.

Sling: I am using a VCAS sling attached to the rear sling point and a sling swivel that mounts to a threaded hole for attaching 1913 rails above the trigger on the left side of the carbine. Hangs well and offers some stability when shooting.

Light: SF M600C scout in a Gear Sector Scout mount attached to a section of 1913 rail. The rail is supposed to attach at three points. What I did was move it forward 1 attachment point so it only attaches at 2 points and overhangs a bit. I can now easily hit the activation switch with my thumb while "Full Retarding" the vert grip. I am not sure if this is ideal, but it works. It also gets the light far enough forward that there isn't a huge shadow when I activate the light.

I also added two other mods:
First I put in the 2020 precision Trigger Sear Mod. (http://www.ratworxusa.com/pagDetail.aspx?SKU=TSM-M). It changed the trigger tremendously. It is a short and crisp pull now, but feels to be about the same weight. The trigger was OK before. It is sweet now.

Second I swapped out the charging handle for the Manitcore Switchback (http://www.manticorearms.com/S...g-Handle-MA-6500.htm). I was hoping that it would keep me from smashing my knuckles on the Aimpoint mount. It does a bit, but not enough. I do like how it stows away, offers a larger surface to grip. It is a well thought out piece of gear.

I have close to 2000 rounds through this carbine with no firing issues. PMAGS don't always "drop free" - but that is a non issue because I have found that a modified reload with retention seems to work best anyway with the mag release set up as it is. ARC mags don't fit as well as the newest 20 round PMAGS, again, no biggie I have plenty of GI and 30 round PMAGS to run this thing. The only thing I need to change is the break. Being NJ (no flash hiders here) it has a comp/break thing that practically throws the muzzle down with each shot. It literally feels like someone grabbed the muzzle and pushed it down to the ground with each shot. I have an FAC556 for it, just need to find someone to install it for me.

I think the biggest hurdle I had was realizing that it is not an AR so I needed to stop trying to set it up like one. This thing is cool. SBR sized (actually a little shorter than my issues Colt R0933 - left side of the pic) handy, and easy to shoot. I am really digging it.

Thanks to everyone for their help so far and please keep the info coming. Lots if groovy info in this thread!

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Originally Posted by LobsterClaw0351:

Where can I get a .22LR AUG. Seriously. Sorry that isn't much of a contribution to this thread, but one of my favorite things ever is .22 clones of weapons I can't afford/don't need, but still like.

Get some steel, aluminum and plastic.  Cut off everything that doesn't look like a .22 AUG.  That would be the only way.  I've heard rumors of .22 conversion kits, but I've never run across anyone who actually touched one.

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That's lookin' bloody good mate, glad to have been of some small help!

I can only imagine how bad the optic mount is for catching fingers and knuckles. There's just not that much room there at the best of times.

 

As you've worked out, get an optics mount that puts all the screws and other gumpf on the right hand side of the receiver for less snag hazards. Once you get that new mount, you can get more comfortable by having the optics our of your face too. I can't say enough how much nicer life is for me now with my Marlin 336 with the optics way out of my face.

 

As for reloads: yeah, they're not designed for drop-free IA drills. Part of our drills were to remove the mag and either drop it from the hand, or throw them down the shirt/into the dump pouch.

 

If I was allowed to, I'd own one in something like 6.8mm SPC or .300 Blackout, just personally.

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Now that you mention it, MSAR makes a .300 Blk barrel assembly for it...

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Just to make life even more complicated for you......

 

 

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWD1022.html

 

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Damn, that looks better than the Red Jacket Firearms bullpup conversion.

We can't get the 10/22, but the straight pull bolt action version, which would go very nicely in that stock.

 

Thanks for that Murph, I'm going to be keeping an eye out for that.

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It looks a bit like the test of concept rifles made up for the F88T project: a designer local to to 22F made some up based on 10/22, the alternates from EDE were based on a French semi .22LR.

 

Anyone here suppressed their AUG?  The trials I saw elsewhere found that attaching a standard suppressor caused some cycling issues.  Solution was to use a dedicated gas plug or a plug with a 4th option: Gr, N, A & S (suppressed)

 

Cheers,

 

Linz

Yes.  I used one of the older original Surefire cans on my A2 and was not happy.  I think the system was being very over functioned and I was getting brass literally spinning in the ejection port.  I think they are very hard on the system.  There may be a gas regulator with an extra setting that I am not aware of.  It is a good platform for a Micro can (due to the 16" barrel), but I would like to see a specific gas port for that as an ideal.  I would think a system with less back pressure than what I tried would work better.

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Yup- that is what I saw: way over powered.

 

Quickie solution was to take the Gr position on the plug (assuming you don't need to shut gas off for other reasons) and add a hole: smaller than the Normal position hole.  These guys used EDM for the task so as to not bugger up the chrome too much.  I'm assuming to the right machinist & tools it would not be too much of an problem to drill?

 

Alternate idea (particularly if you wanted to keep the shut off function) is reduce the diameter of the Adverse hole.  You could close it totally off & progressively open it up till you find a diameter that suits the suppressor/SAA combination.

 

How much do spare plugs cost over there?  If cheap- you could tailor one per loading/suppressor combo.

 

Cheers & Happy New Year,

 

Linz

I hesitated to post this here, but figured it would fit with the bullpup theme.  Kel-tec is introducing a new one this year.  Reminds me of the SA80.

 

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I had mine out today to sight in the T1. The first two mags ran fine. Then on the third mag, I got bolt over base malfunctions about 30% of the time. Is this mag related or possibly ammo? (S&B 55 gr FMJ that runs fine in 14.5 AR's but may be a little slow.)

 

The weapon is /was lubed according to the manual spec.

 

The bolt would not auto lock back on an empty magazine on any of the three. Hand operating the bolt would result in a empty mag lockback, however.

 

The gas setting was on N or the small dot. 

Took the CQC out to the range today. Yesterday I picked up a used Pride Fowler CQLR for $700. ( http://www.rapidreticle.com/RRCQLR.php )The reticle looked more useful than other reticles in the same price range. I normally find BDC reticles unappealing, but since this one has the ranging features built into it, that makes it more useful to me. No having to rely on a spotter or LRF or anything. I mounted it in some low Vortex rings, since that's what the local gun store had in stock. Definitely wouldn't pay the NIB price of $1099 for it, but for the price I paid, I like it so far. The glass is clear and the reticle works well so far. No daylight-visible illumination though. It's definitely not a perfect scope, but then my idea of a perfect scope is an Accupoint with a T-bracket around it with mil hashes. And while I'm dreaming, make it 9oz and hand delivered by Leanna Decker. ( http://i.imgur.com/sLoVrUn.jpg )(NWS)

I started by getting a rough zero at 25m, making sure the POI was about 1 3/4" below POA in order to facilitate a good 100m zero. Then I taped up the hits and went back to 97m (the only clear spot within that general range amid all the cactus out there) and fired a 3-shot group to confirm. I was a bit confused when looking through the spotting scope, so I went back to verify and found this:


It's an absolute fluke, given that I am not a sub-MOA shooter, and PMC Bronze 55gr is generally not known as sub-MOA ammo. Still felt pretty cool to get that out of an AUG.

Following that, we moved back to a hill further away. Lased the targets and they were 359m away. In my brain, I processed this and said "okay, I'll hold it in between the 3 and 4 marks on the BDC." I shot a bit and saw that I was hitting consistently low. Thought to myself, "huh, that's odd." Then thought for a moment and used the ranging bracket in the reticle on the IPSC silhouette's head. It fit in the 4 bracket, at which point I slapped myself upside the head since I had forgotten that the BDC for this scope was marked in yards rather than meters. Then I put the 4 line on the BDC on the target and shot the rest of the mag off. Got some hits out of it!


Lesson learned, don't confuse meters and yards. And range using the reticle in addition to using the LRF, if the LRF is available.


Last we moved back to the 97m spot to fire a bit more, since I wanted a more realistic picture of the rifle's accuracy. Shot a few 10-shot groups, which ended up around 4". About what I'd expect from my marksmanship abilities and the blaster ammo I was shooting.


So far, I'm diggin' it. The scope ended up mounted further to the rear than I expected in order to get proper eye relief, so it didn't shift the balance at all. I noticed when firing a few rounds standing afterwards that if I use the VFG as a handstop, my fingers are touching the gas regulator. They ended up with a few black marks on them, and the regulator seemed to get rather warm. Tried a few more rounds with my hand moved up the rail in a C-clamp fashion, with my thumb ending up right behind the forward sling swivel. That seemed to work out better. My wrist felt a bit awkward, but perhaps that's something an AFG could fix.

Rat, good shooting, especially with the PMC!

 

Longeye, are you running a NATO stock with PMAGs, or the Austrian with Austrian AUG mags?  If it is the NATO stock, I'd be looking at the mags, if it is Austrian, then I would start with ammo.

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Good stuff Rat!

Very nice first group

 

Just watch your fingers with that gas port.

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AFG puts my hand positioned so that my fingers aren't touching the gas regulator. When I'd grip the stock VFG in a half handstop kind of way, my fingers would touch the gas regulator, which might get uncomfortable in the long run. I was able to grip it further out, and since it put my wrist at an angle due to being that far out, well. . .


Close-up of the gas regulator area.


Other side. Taking off the stock VFG and side rails has made this thing feel noticeably less front heavy. Nyeti, I really see what you're saying now about small things affecting the balance.


At this point I'm waiting on the gray Magpul MS1 sling to be released so I can slap it on here, then I'll call it good. If I were going to put a light on, it'd be a TLR-1 HL on the right side rail segment. I'm choosing not to, since if I ever have to do anything real involving weapon lights, it's gonna be with an AR.

Originally Posted by Longeye:

I had mine out today to sight in the T1. The first two mags ran fine. Then on the third mag, I got bolt over base malfunctions about 30% of the time. Is this mag related or possibly ammo? (S&B 55 gr FMJ that runs fine in 14.5 AR's but may be a little slow.)

 

The bolt would not auto lock back on an empty magazine on any of the three. Hand operating the bolt would result in a empty mag lockback, however.

 

The gas setting was on N or the small dot. 

Maybe try aligning it on the bigger circle symbol (the higher gas setting).

 

Mine has run fine on Fiochi and other brands of .223 ammo.  I will did mine out of the safe later and take a look at it.  Here is the manual page on it:

 

 

And another illustration:

 

 

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