My Favorite Little Bolt Gun

While these rifles have been around for awhile, I have only had mine for a year or two...  The CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39mm  

*If you don't like reading, there is a link to a video review at the bottom*

I have spent most my time shooting ARs and Glocks and haven't gone far into the bolt action world, but this rifle is a lot of fun.  It offers a light, compact, reliable package and, it is cheap to shoot.  Because the barrel is CIP specced, it is made for .311 diameter bullets, meaning it shoots your surplus Russian steel cased ammo better than "high quality" US ammo.

I haven't found what this particular rifle likes shooting best yet, since I frankly spend more time just having fun with it on the range as opposed to shooting groups.  But I have a big box of a bunch of different bullet weight and types of ammo from Tula and Wolf to work through.

While it comes with open sights, the rear site is a blade type sight.  Personally I am not a fan of that type of sight.  If it had a rear peep sight, I would probably not bother scoping it.  As it stands though, I put a variable 1x4 power on it.  Reason being, my intended use puts most my shots around 50 yards out.  (Where I hunt usually doesn't offer long shots)

The barrel on this is actually 18.5".  But...    ...choosing not to use the iron sights, and wanting the ability to throw my SureFire SOCOM 7.62 MINI on it...   ...I had it chopped down and pinned / welded a SureFire SOCOM Muzzle Brake onto it.  Making it a even handier little rifle.

You can check out the video review I did on it here if you would like: https://kitbadger.com/cz-527-carbine-7-62x39mm/

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We have almost the exact same set up but man, your wood is so much nicer than mine.  Awesome little rifles though, aren't they?  Set trigger is great as well.

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I've wanted one for a while. For the same reason I want a Barret M82 and a .30 carbine Blackhawk, just because I can. They seem like fun little rifles. I think I will get the youth model so the girls can shoot it in a few years. Thing would be cool cut and threaded with a can.

Is it possible to mount a rear peep? 

If

tugboat12 posted:

 

I haven't found what this particular rifle likes shooting best yet, since I frankly spend more time just having fun with it on the range as opposed to shooting groups.  But I have a big box of a bunch of different bullet weight and types of ammo from Tula and Wolf to work through.

 

Try Sako 7.62x39mm if you can find it.

Consigliere posted:

We have almost the exact same set up but man, your wood is so much nicer than mine. 

Ya, the stocks you get are like the lottery.  Some are really plain and others are amazing tiger-stripe wood grains.

I'm looking at probably replacing the stock since I want to put some flush cups on it.  I can't stand traditional sling mounts.  They are completely worthless....

I've had one since shortly after they came out. Shooting one-handed I needed something light & short - this was it. I mounted a Leupold 2x7x32 on it & it is minute of deer out to 100 yards. The set trigger is scary light on mine. Pretty much exhale & think about pulling the trigger. The only issue I have run into is that a lot of American 7.62x39 ammo won't reliably fire. 100% reliable with Wolf, Tula, Golden Tiger, but the only reliable American ammo I found was Remington.

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Consigliere posted:

your wood is so much nicer than mine.

Wow, just wow

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CRAMBONE posted:

Is it possible to mount a rear peep? 

Yes, Skinner sights makes a rear receiver sight, but you have to drill and tap for it.

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CZ is like the dirty little secret of the firearms world I think. All I hear is good things about their pistols from guys like Mike Pannone, the CZ 455 Varmint in .22LR I have is actually kind of boring to shoot because of how accurate (and quiet with the Sparrow) it is. The Scorpion in 9mm was a freaking blast at Battlefield Vegas and they, correctly I think, called it the Modern MP-5... the CZ Upland Ultralight over/under shotgun I have in 12 gauge is excellent... CZ is awesome! Yet seemingly relatively unknown/not heard of all that often. 

 

 

 

 

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Might be a good 7.62x39 stand-in for the AIA 7.62x39 Enfiel Pattern rifle I looked for a while back but could not find here in the states.  

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Nice Rifle. As far as adding flush plugs, don't know if you want to keep your wood or not, but Kyle Defoor did something pretty cool with sling mounts.

http://kyledefoor.tumblrDOTcom...ng-a-real-sling-with

 

 

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CRAMBONE posted:

I've wanted one for a while. For the same reason I want a Barret M82 and a .30 carbine Blackhawk, just because I can. They seem like fun little rifles. I think I will get the youth model so the girls can shoot it in a few years. Thing would be cool cut and threaded with a can.

Is it possible to mount a rear peep? 

My buddy has a .30 carbine Blackhawk he's looking to get rid of.

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LobsterClaw207 posted:

CZ is like the dirty little secret of the firearms world I think. All I hear is good things about their pistols from guys like Mike Pannone, the CZ 455 Varmint in .22LR I have is actually kind of boring to shoot because of how accurate (and quiet with the Sparrow) it is. The Scorpion in 9mm was a freaking blast at Battlefield Vegas and they, correctly I think, called it the Modern MP-5... the CZ Upland Ultralight over/under shotgun I have in 12 gauge is excellent... CZ is awesome! Yet seemingly relatively unknown/not heard of all that often. 

Wait till the CZ 806 Bren II starts hitting the US next year.  I predict they will sell like hotcakes.  It is an improvement over the 805 model and can be converted from 5.56mm to 7.62x39mm fairly easily. The ambi controls are very similar to an M4.  It has a non-reciprocating charging handle that can be swapped from side to side.  There is all sorts of goodness embodied in that carbine. 

CZ is one of the world's finest gunmakers and I'm glad to see them get more recognition.

aegis305 posted:

Wait till the CZ 806 Bren II starts hitting the US next year.  I predict they will sell like hotcakes.  It is an improvement over the 805 model and can be converted from 5.56mm to 7.62x39mm fairly easily. The ambi controls are very similar to an M4.  It has a non-reciprocating charging handle that can be swapped from side to side.  There is all sorts of goodness embodied in that carbine. 

CZ is one of the world's finest gunmakers and I'm glad to see them get more recognition.

Thank you very much for the heads up.  I have a 9mm CZ Scorpion EVO 1, waiting on a SBR stamp and an approved Form 4 for the SilencerCo Omega 9K can.  It's already a blast to shoot as a pistol, and will be even more fun as a suppressed SBR.  I just need those two stamps, they should be here by Christmas.

A Bren 806 Version II running cheap Russian 7.62x39 ammo would be a huge amount of fun to SBR as well.  I'd want a pretty good can on it, but probably a Ti one that would not seriously mess up the balance.  

Does the Bren 806 II  in 7.62x39mm use standard AK mags, or something proprietary? They look more like AK mags than the god awful AR style 7.62 mags, but the magwell doesn't look like it would take an AK mag.

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Thought this might be an interesting option to the CZ527. 

 

Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. (NYSE: RGR) is excited to introduce the Ruger American Rifle Ranch model, now chambered in 7.62×39 and fed by the Mini Thirty magazine. In response to customer feedback, Ruger has combined the power of the classic 7.62×39 cartridge with the compact, bolt-action platform of the Ranch model.

Thirty years after the introduction of the Mini Thirty, its cartridge and magazine have found a new home. The magazine well of the Ruger American Rifle Ranch model is designed to accept Mini Thirty metal box magazines, which are properly positioned for reliable feeding. The magazine release is located in front of the trigger guard for easy manipulation. The rifle ships with a compact, 5-round magazine suitable for hunting. Higher capacity 10- and 20-round magazines are also available at ShopRuger.com.

“Rifles chambered in the popular 7.62×39 cartridge have been a frequent request from our customers and we are proud to bring this exciting new bolt-action configuration to market,” said Chris Killoy, Ruger President and CEO. “Pairing this cartridge with the Ruger American Rifle Ranch model and employing the Mini Thirty magazine expands the utility and capability of this compact rifle.”

Ruger American Rifle Ranch Model Now Chambered in 7.62x39
Ruger American Rifle Ranch Model Now Chambered in 7.62×39

An extension of the Ruger American Rifle family, the Ranch model is compact, accurate and adaptable. The 16.10″ medium-contour, cold hammer-forged barrel features a 5/8″-24 threaded muzzle, readying the rifle for any .30 caliber muzzle device. Like all Ruger American Rifles, this new Ranch model includes the Ruger Marksman Adjustable trigger and Ruger's patented Power Bedding system for consistent and accurate performance.

dan187 posted:

Does the Bren 806 II  in 7.62x39mm use standard AK mags, or something proprietary? They look more like AK mags than the god awful AR style 7.62 mags, but the magwell doesn't look like it would take an AK mag.

It doesn't appear to be an AK style mag:

and given the design of the mag well (to be compatible with 5.56mm AR mags with the insertion of a magazine spacer/adapter and changing out the bolt and barrel)  I don't think it can be.

jcustisredux posted:

Might be a good 7.62x39 stand-in for the AIA 7.62x39 Enfiel Pattern rifle I looked for a while back but could not find here in the states.  

Sorry, I missed this.

Tapdancing around NDA, I had a certain relationship with AIA.

The 7.62x39mm AIA that were exported to the USA via the intended distributor were not meant for release to the public.  Safe, yes.  Functional...sorta.

The OK ones pop up for sale here  https://www.usedguns.com.au/  & other sites regularly.  Given the larcenous exchange rate, you might even find them reasonably priced.  Export not a major issue from this end & I can put you through to someone who routinely does it.

Still good friends with the guy who designed them & was the engineering talent behind AIA.  If you find one, let me know & I'll see if he remembers it.

Most shot well with M43 Ball but did better with commercial 120-ish grain projectiles substituted in.  Many had trouble with lacquered steel cases: the lacquer would build up in chamber & result in a failure to extract.

Ditching the chromed barrel & subbing in a good barrel coupled with loads built around Sako or Lap brass gave good results: a couple of keen competition shooters did this.

PM me for more details if you need them.

SeriousStudent posted:
aegis305 posted:

Wait till the CZ 806 Bren II starts hitting the US next year.  I predict they will sell like hotcakes.  It is an improvement over the 805 model and can be converted from 5.56mm to 7.62x39mm fairly easily. The ambi controls are very similar to an M4.  It has a non-reciprocating charging handle that can be swapped from side to side.  There is all sorts of goodness embodied in that carbine. 

CZ is one of the world's finest gunmakers and I'm glad to see them get more recognition.

Thank you very much for the heads up.  I have a 9mm CZ Scorpion EVO 1, waiting on a SBR stamp and an approved Form 4 for the SilencerCo Omega 9K can.  It's already a blast to shoot as a pistol, and will be even more fun as a suppressed SBR.  I just need those two stamps, they should be here by Christmas.

A Bren 806 Version II running cheap Russian 7.62x39 ammo would be a huge amount of fun to SBR as well.  I'd want a pretty good can on it, but probably a Ti one that would not seriously mess up the balance.  

This is the best video on the new CZ 806 Bren II.  You don't need to understand Czech to see what a thoughtful design it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvo-HpD7dJo        

There are other videos out there but this one has close-up views and you can stop and start the film as he disassembles it.  The 5.56mm magazine well comes with an insert/spacer that is easily removed to make way for the 7.62x39mm magazine.  You then swap the barrel and bolt and voila! you're good to go with the Ruskie caliber. 

Pardon the thread drift gents.  CZ's new black rifles are just too irresistible.    

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