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Ok.  So I am looking to pick up a few pair of pants.  I am looking for something pretty specific.  I really like the Railriders Versatac Light pants, but want something a little different here.   Here's what I want:

-  Cargo type pants, similarish to the Railriders pants.

-  50/50 NYCO preferably.  (Or similar that is still breathable, relatively decent at drying, more resistant to sparks than the Railriders. and at least as non-melt as the 50/50 NYCO)

-  Well made, stitching and fabric.  I like durable goods.

-  HEAVY preference for a button fly, and preferably Canadian / Slotted buttons.

-  Buttons on cargo pockets, not just velcro, and preferably not snap-tabs.

-  Available in earthtones  (Khaki, Coyote, FDE, OD, one of those new greyish tones popular now would be nice too)

-  Gusseted crotch or similar, I HATE crotch blow-outs.

-  Not all super-tactical Crye combat pants looking - I want something I can wear around town if I want to, but also need to be able to be used for various outdoorsy related stuff, Bushcraft and such.

-  Belt loops obviously.  Good sized ones, at least big enough to carry a 1.5" belt.

-  No mesh pocket liners.  I hate those, they end up always ripping.

-  No huge numbers of pockets.  I'm fine with a simple, traditional 6 pocket layout.  I don't mind subtle other pockets, but why do I need 2 pockets down near my ankles?

-  Decent fit, I don't want hipster-fit and I PREFER it not to be baggy.  But I need to be able to move easily in them.

-  Preferably under the $100 / price point.

I've been looking everywhere I could think of to find pants that I really liked, but it's been hard finding what I really liked.  I really liked the Arktis trousers, even if they are a bit more field-trousers and not as civilian looking, but they meet all my other needs...except that they have those stupid zip-up leg bottoms.  I mean I get why they are there, but I don't need them for my purposes.  For me, they're just another thing to go wrong and break on my pants plus look really out of place in town.

I've also been looking at some of the Helikon CPU pants, Vertx Phantom OPS, and 5.11 Taclite Pro and TDU pants.  I've had Vertx and 5.11 original style pants before, back when they were actual Royal Robbins pants.  I like the Vertx because they are a bit more low-key. 

So help me find some pants!

And give me recommendations for other similar pants you guys like that somewhat match the above even if not exactly the same.  I'm looking to get 3-4 pair of pants, so I might pick up a few different ones to check out.  School me on good pants to get.

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Riggs Ranger cargo pants by Wrangler. They have a zippered fly and 100% cotton but meet your other criteria  

I find them comfortable and durable. The cotton is heavy but seems to dry quickly and isn't excessively hot, even in 100+ degree weather. They are tactical enough to wear on the range or with an agency polo, but not so tactical that they draw funny looks when worn casually. They are roomy in butt, crotch and thighs but don't feel baggy. They have reinforced knees that don't look goofy.the cargo pockets do snap but the snaps are sturdy and concealed under the flap. I think they go for about $45 at Cal Ranch. 

Besides owning the Riggs brand now, Wrangler has ripstop cargo pants that don’t scream tactical, in a tan and in what I believe they call loden (green) almost foliage green. Not sure if they’re 50/50 or 65/35. Found at most Walmart’s for about $20.  Not as heavy duty as Riggs.  I have 4 nearly new pairs that are too tight on me now. I was a 34 waist dropped to 32 after a couple of surgeries and am back to 34 so my 32’s are no bueno now.  

I think it will be tough to get all of your wanted features in one pair of pants, especially the button fly. Some options however that come really close are:

- TAD gear Force ten RS pants

- PDW Odyssey cargo pants

Other good options Ive used include the TruSpec 24/7 pants (snap and zip fly, Velcro pocket closure) vertx Phantom 2.0 (zip fly, no button pocket closure) and standard BDU pants (of various flavours).

Duluth is your friend. I discovered this model and ig is my everyday, especially when teaching on the range. I envisioned an ideal range pant a few years ago, but realized it would never be made. These pants are damn near my vision:

https://www.duluthtradingDOTco...ens-pants-work-pants

I love them. The "canteen" color are a very nice shade of OD. They are VERY comfortable here in th ed hot and humid south.

"I think it will be tough to get all of your wanted features in one pair of pants, especially the button fly."

Yup.  I definitely know this, lol.  That's why I PREFERED a button fly.

I've had half of my pants wear out from zippers blowing out, a few from snaps or metal 'button' things failing above the zipper, and the rest from a variety of things like crotch blow-outs and such.  The above lists basically fixes most of the problems I've run into with pants.  I could probably triple the effective lifespan of my pants - on average - if I could get that list done.

I actually like the standard BDU pants OK.  I've got a couple pair I wear, mostly the shorts version.  The fit is a little obviously BDUish, no canadian buttons (though I guess that's fixable on my end), and the cargo pockets tend to snag on things relatively easily.

Anyone know anyone who makes a decent actual 50/50 NYCO earth-tones BDU with button fly?

I looked at Duluth, but I need cargo pants...and the cargo pockets need to be button pockets.  I absolutely DESPISE velcro-closing cargo pockets.  They don't close securely and they wear out pretty quickly.

I would look into hiking or rock climbing pants. I like the pRana stretch Zion's but they lack the button closure and have mesh pockets, I'm sure some company makes pants that'd suit you in the climbing realm. Climbing pants are designed to be very abrasion resistant, more lightweight than traditional fabrics, water resistant and more breathable (which generally translates to faster drying as well).

CWM11B posted:

Duluth is your friend. I discovered this model and ig is my everyday, especially when teaching on the range. I envisioned an ideal range pant a few years ago, but realized it would never be made. These pants are damn near my vision:

https://www.duluthtradingDOTco...ens-pants-work-pants

I love them. The "canteen" color are a very nice shade of OD. They are VERY comfortable here in th ed hot and humid south.

CWM, these look really good, along with the ones they call the Armachillo Cooling Pants. Question, is anyone able to tell me how the Duluths stack up against Kuhl for comfort and lightweight-ness? I’m in Kuhl pants probably 3 days per week for work (the light nylon cargo ones—but I can never keep their model names straight). The Kuhls fit great, but too many visible seams for my taste. 

I can tell you these particular Duluth pants are the most comfortable I have ever worn. Kuhl dont fit me well, and I'm to old to pull off the grey man hipster look anyway. 

Edit to add: These Duluth are very lightweight. Year round where I live. My standard DT firehose pants are just too damn hot and heavy for summer wear here. They have a pretty good return policy, so if you dont like them you can send them back. They just opened a store a half hour away from me, so now I can try before I buy.

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You can't be more of a knuckle dragger than me. No worries. Get a pair. You'll love them. They are GREAT on the range for right handers like me. Cargo pocket is awesome, keeps sharpies and such handy,  no cargo on right side is great for a drop leg holster and still gives access to the cell. The tool strap is perfect for clipping shot timers to. Th hey beat the hell out of any of the "tactical" pants I wore as a part of my instructor uniform for years.

CWM11B posted:

You can't be more of a knuckle dragger than me. No worries. Get a pair. You'll love them. They are GREAT on the range for right handers like me. Cargo pocket is awesome, keeps sharpies and such handy,  no cargo on right side is great for a drop leg holster and still gives access to the cell. The tool strap is perfect for clipping shot timers to. Th hey beat the hell out of any of the "tactical" pants I wore as a part of my instructor uniform for years.

Thanks, just a couple of questions?, how's the sizing? I was reading that with the stretch waistband, go down a size? 

Also, do some sizes come in certain inseams? or are they just sold out? Overall pretty decent pants. 

I have a coupon for 20% so that might come in handy, if I can get a pair to fit, LOL, Stay Safe, Cheers

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