The Crusader Forge VIS-T flipper is freaking large and heavy....and I carry it everyday without fail with no issues what so ever.  It's certainly not for everyone but it's perfect for me.

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Just got back from BLADE. After visiting the ZT/Kershaw booth I'll be getting a ZT 0808 once funds allow. 3.25" blade in a package that fits my med/large hand well. Wasn't on my radar till I felt it in-hand.

 

If not for my 2 money pits called boys & a recent vet bill, I'd be getting a Spartan Akribis.

 

I again handled the Chris Reeve Sebenzas, and again just couldn't get into it. Beautiful knife with outstanding fit & finish, just does not feel right in my hand.

 

Another inexpensive production option for a large knife I'd recommend is the Hogue knives designed by Alan Elishewitz. The EX-02 is my favorite.

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I have a ZT0450 and it's a great knife too. But I know there are detractors.

The 0808 is on my radar even though it's similar. But if you're budget conscious maybe check it out - $40 less,  titanium,  and great blade shape and handle.
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Recently acquired: ZT 0620CF, ZT0562CF (the more recent CTS-204P version), and the ZT0562.  Got the 0620CF because the tanto on it reminded me of the point of some Japanese swords.  Liked it so much that I got the 0562, but found I wanted the carbon fiber and fancy steel just for the heck of it (not a huge Elmax fan, though it did a very nice job slicing my thumb the other day), so I ordered the 0562CF when they became available again.  The lock up on all these is completely solid.
I don't need "overbuilt" -- I'm a paper pushin' lawyer for gawd-sakes and my other recent EDC, a Spyderco Manix 2 Lightweight (FRCP handle) makes a lot more sense for day-to-day use, but the two CF ZTs are so appealing to look that carrying them is a bit like carrying knife porn in your pocket.  I also am not a particular believer that just because these things are physically heavy and advertised as being "overbuilt" that that really has that much to do with strength or durability (particularly in the long term.)  In my experience, their "overbulit-ness" ...and cost actually decreases their everyday utility -- the Spyderco can be used as a beater and its flat grind is great for cutting salami/cheese/string/zipties/those irritating plastic bubble containers/paper/tape/the usual everyday stuff and is unbelievably light (in fact, though it may be a bit of heresy, if I could change anything about the Spyderco, it would be to half-serrate it because of zipties and plastic). But I like carrying the "overbuilt" ZTs even if it is not so practical to do so (have carried a Strider AR w/a BG-42 blade for the same reason) -- and though I don't want to say I have a favorite, I've found the 0562CF somehow gets the most carry. I do like that the ZTs all have a steel insert into titanium lockbar -- I've worn enough titanium lockbars into submission to believe that the feature may be helpful. 

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Originally Posted by ygbsm:

Recently acquired: ZT 0620CF, ZT0562CF (the more recent CTS-204P version), and the ZT0562.  Got the 0620CF because the tanto on it reminded me of the point of some Japanese swords.  Liked it so much that I got the 0562, but found I wanted the carbon fiber and fancy steel just for the heck of it (not a huge Elmax fan, though it did a very nice job slicing my thumb the other day), so I ordered the 0562CF when they became available again.  The lock up on all these is completely solid.
I don't need "overbuilt" -- I'm a paper pushin' lawyer for gawd-sakes and my other recent EDC, a Spyderco Manix 2 Lightweight (FRCP handle) makes a lot more sense for day-to-day use, but the two CF ZTs are so appealing to look that carrying them is a bit like carrying knife porn in your pocket.  I also am not a particular believer that just because these things are physically heavy and advertised as being "overbuilt" that that really has that much to do with strength or durability (particularly in the long term.)  In my experience, their "overbulit-ness" ...and cost actually decreases their everyday utility -- the Spyderco can be used as a beater and its flat grind is great for cutting salami/cheese/string/zipties/those irritating plastic bubble containers/paper/tape/the usual everyday stuff and is unbelievably light (in fact, though it may be a bit of heresy, if I could change anything about the Spyderco, it would be to half-serrate it because of zipties and plastic). But I like carrying the "overbuilt" ZTs even if it is not so practical to do so (have carried a Strider AR w/a BG-42 blade for the same reason) -- and though I don't want to say I have a favorite, I've found the 0562CF somehow gets the most carry. I do like that the ZTs all have a steel insert into titanium lockbar -- I've worn enough titanium lockbars into submission to believe that the feature may be helpful. 

I just got a ZT0561 that is an exceptional production blade.  ygbsm, if you want to get rid of your regular Elmax 0562, I would be interested as I want a plain G10 and Elmax version.  Let me know-DB

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I bought a ZT 0561 from a forum member last year for an exceptional price. Been carrying it for work and it's a great tool. Has stayed very sharp, is great for prying as well as cutting, is fairly light for its heavy build and to top it off it's just a sexy blade to carry around.
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Originally Posted by nyeti:

I just got a ZT0561 that is an exceptional production blade.  ygbsm, if you want to get rid of your regular Elmax 0562, I would be interested as I want a plain G10 and Elmax version.  Let me know-DB

Not sure if I'm ready to give up the 0562 G10 Elmax yet, but f I do decide to I'll let you know right away.  It's not in mint condition, however, (change rub-type pocket carry wear on the G-10) and the detent feels heavier to me than that on the CF.  

 

I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the ZTs -- "exceptional production blades" is the best description I've ever heard for the ones I have.  I was truly pleasantly surprised with just how good they are.  

 

I really like the 0562 handle and blade shape and flipper action, even though I thought I wouldn't.  I did not, for example, think the flipper and the bearing pivot system would give the "feel" I wanted -- I'm one of those weird types who does not mind some resistance through the opening action.  But the flipper and the bearing on the 0562CF are just too sweet not to bring smile every time you open/close the thing. I've taken the clip off the CF and it fits the hand as if customized for it.  I could blabber on and on, but the 0562 really has become a favorite -- there I've said it and now I'll have to keep an eye on the 0620CF looking to extract retribution -- a favorite perhaps even just a tad below the old Strider DBs I have.    

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I have been recommending the ZT Hinderer designs to students for awhile as a solid value and a near custom blade at production price.  Normally I live with a custom Strider SMF or SNG for daily carry and I have a couple custom Hinderers.  I was told the ZT 0561 was going to be discontinued, so I grabbed one.  I am so impressed, I neEd to add the 0562.  

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Originally Posted by nyeti:

I have been recommending the ZT Hinderer designs to students for awhile as a solid value and a near custom blade at production price.  Normally I live with a custom Strider SMF or SNG for daily carry and I have a couple custom Hinderers.  I was told the ZT 0561 was going to be discontinued, so I grabbed one.  I am so impressed, I neEd to add the 0562.  

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Originally Posted by theJanitor:

My second to last knife purchase (i just paid for a Strider WB Mod 10), the AdV Butcher in S35VN:  I snapped a pic next to an object of known size.  

 

 

As for the steel, I really do like S30V and S35VN.  I took a 3lb sledgehammer to my SMF and cutout a section of hardwood flooring from a shipping container.  The mechanic who was with me could not believe that that knife didn't explode.

 

 

Very nice knife.  It has a straight razor type profile.  

Anyone had their hands on the ZT 0452? I like the look and the blade profile.
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Originally Posted by Sandman307:
Anyone had their hands on the ZT 0452? I like the look and the blade profile.

I handled it at BLADE this year. Sweet knife, but bigger than I like to carry on a daily basis. Tried the smaller 0450, but the handle felt wrong. My little finger rides on the hump of the handle below the lanyard hole. On the 0452 my whole hand fit snug between the flipper and pinky hook. Of those two I would go with the 0452. Only thing I didn't like on it is how the pocket clip looked. Purely subjective -It works fine, just doesn't look right to me. I'd also get an aftermarket micarta/G10 scale to replace the carbon fiber as I don't like the stuff.

 

I've always been a big fan of Spyderco, especially the Delica. I really like a lot of the new stuff they have coming, but I'm scared the prices will be more than I want to spend on a production knife. The ZT/Kershaw line has been coming out with some good stuff at the low $200 and below range. It starts getting close to $300+ and I start looking at the just a bit more $$ and I can get the Spartan Akribis or some customs. Spyderco had a prototype of their Lil'Temperance folder that looked promising. Stout folder with just black G10, VG-10 steel and their compression lock. If they can get that out at the under $200 range it will be a winner in my opinion.

 

I've also become a big fan of flipper folding knives. Besides the fact they're just damn fun to flip open, they have a built in safety factor. All the internet knife forums go on & on about lock failure and knives closing on your fingers. Well if a flipper has the lock fail when it closes the flipper area will just clamp down on your finger with no edge contact. It'd still hurt like hell, but you would be counting to 9 or need stitches.

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Good info Halfneck, thanks! I'll definitely have to get my hands on that 452 before I buy it. I'm also a big fan of Spyderco knives. Been carrying one in one form pr another fir the last 14 years. I have a native as an EDC right now and I carried an Endura through SERE school. It took a beating, but never failed. I've also got a PPT Perin that I received as a gift but I probably wouldn't have purchased it fir myself. Overall Spydercos are good bang for the buck.
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Rule #2:  Support your men.

Rule #3:  TEAMWORK!  Team dynamics are absolutely important.  Know your men and support them in every way."

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Nice Mayo...and he's local.

 

I have finally found a Direware Solo I wanted.  The new ones, v5, have S110V blades and moku-ti pocket clips but the bolsters are 25% thinner to save weight.  Clearly forsaking the Direware overbuilt tradition.  I'll stick with a v4 with the proper thickness and M390 blade steel (no slouch).  They sell the moku=ti clips separately anyway.

 

After that, a Strider AR and a Medford Praetorian Ti and will call it a day.

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Originally Posted by theJanitor:
Originally Posted by Consigliere:

After that, a Strider AR and a Medford Praetorian Ti and will call it a day.

There's always next week.  

No one likes an enabler.  I know because...well...I am one.

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Originally Posted by Consigliere:

After that, a Strider AR and a Medford Praetorian Ti and will call it a day.

Really like my AR -- it's an ancient one (2002-2003?) with the three screw clip and BG42 Bos heat treat steel, and I got their spiffy kydex holder (not so useful but kinda cool looking).  I haven't carried the thing in a decade in part because it does not work so well with nice suit pants.  I do consider it a bit lucky because the one time (okay, one of the times) I was doing something really stupid with it, the thing ended up sticking itself in the floor right next to -- but not into -- my foot.  It's heavy and sharp enough that... well, it's a lucky-ish knife.  

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Use to own a Strider GB, I prefer the tanto over the AR blade. Thing was a beast. If I was still in and only able to carry a folder it would of excelled in that role. Sadly had to sell it while I was out of work.

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The Strider AR/GB's were specifically designed for military and law enforcement people who really should be carrying a fixed blade, but could not due to stupid policy's and rules.  I even have a sheath for one of mine to hold it in the open position like a fixed blade.

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Originally Posted by CarbonCycles:

Quick question, with all these multi-grind knives out there, how are you guys sharpening them? They kind of seem like a total PITA.

I'm a mix of old school & cheap - I use a Spyderco medium grit benchstone & the Spyderco Sharpmaker. Most knives get sharpened on the benchstone. If the blade has a recurve to it I use the Sharpmaker. Even then I still dislike recurves. Only knife I have with a recurve that I use on occasion is an old (1990s) Cold Steel Kuhkri.

 

I've heard great things about the Wicked Edge sharpeners but they are more money than I'm willing to spend. I also don't own any of the super hard steels with S35V and ZDP-189 being about as fancy as I get. Most of the knives I use are plain old 1095 carbon steel. I can get a shaving sharp edge on them in a few minutes.

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Originally Posted by Halfneck:

Use to own a Strider GB, I prefer the tanto over the AR blade. Thing was a beast. If I was still in and only able to carry a folder it would of excelled in that role. Sadly had to sell it while I was out of work.

I hear you about the tanto -- that's was one of the reasons I got a couple Strider DBs.  I think of them less as knives and more as if-you-really-need-out-through-some-uncooperative-door/some-vehicle, don't-worry-about-the-tip, finesse-be-damned, utility prybars/wedges/whatever... with a sharp edge.  They (and the HT I have around here somewhere) really are overbuilt knives. 

 

While on the subject of overbuilt Striders (redundant?) had an EB- , but gave it away because it was just a bit too large and heavy to carry around with the rest of the junk I carry.  Kept an EB-LS, but it's size here makes it basically a "just because" blade.  

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Originally Posted by Halfneck:
Originally Posted by CarbonCycles:

Quick question, with all these multi-grind knives out there, how are you guys sharpening them? They kind of seem like a total PITA.

I'm a mix of old school & cheap - I use a Spyderco medium grit benchstone & the Spyderco Sharpmaker. Most knives get sharpened on the benchstone. If the blade has a recurve to it I use the Sharpmaker. Even then I still dislike recurves. Only knife I have with a recurve that I use on occasion is an old (1990s) Cold Steel Kuhkri.

 

I've heard great things about the Wicked Edge sharpeners but they are more money than I'm willing to spend. I also don't own any of the super hard steels with S35V and ZDP-189 being about as fancy as I get. Most of the knives I use are plain old 1095 carbon steel. I can get a shaving sharp edge on them in a few minutes.

There is a guy on bladeforums that does a tremendous (and very affordable) sharpening job on just about anything.  Recurves have to be a bitch but what price hotness?

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Originally Posted by Consigliere:
Originally Posted by Halfneck:
Originally Posted by CarbonCycles:

Quick question, with all these multi-grind knives out there, how are you guys sharpening them? They kind of seem like a total PITA.

I'm a mix of old school & cheap - I use a Spyderco medium grit benchstone & the Spyderco Sharpmaker. Most knives get sharpened on the benchstone. If the blade has a recurve to it I use the Sharpmaker. Even then I still dislike recurves. Only knife I have with a recurve that I use on occasion is an old (1990s) Cold Steel Kuhkri.

 

I've heard great things about the Wicked Edge sharpeners but they are more money than I'm willing to spend. I also don't own any of the super hard steels with S35V and ZDP-189 being about as fancy as I get. Most of the knives I use are plain old 1095 carbon steel. I can get a shaving sharp edge on them in a few minutes.

There is a guy on bladeforums that does a tremendous (and very affordable) sharpening job on just about anything.  Recurves have to be a bitch but what price hotness?

I've seen said guy's work there and on the USN - Very nice. I have a couple knives I get tempted to send in. I sit there thinking about a gleaming mirror edge you can read off of, yet still castrate a gnat in mid flight. Then I realize I'd be hesitant to use the knife because I could never get it that sharp.

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Originally Posted by CarbonCycles:

That Wicked Edge is prohibitively expensive! It better come with a filet mignon with those prices.

FYI, Wicked Edge is on Promotive, 50% off. I have a full set, and it certainly has given me far better results than my Lansky or Sharpmaker, although I mostly blame my own mechanical ineptitude on that front.

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I use a mixed bag of sharpening systems, from DMT benchstone in grits from coarse to fine, to Japanese benchstones,  a Sharpmaker system, to bastard files and Gransfors Bruks carborundum pucks for tomahawks and axes. Which sharpening system gets used all depends on the blade shape and grinding profile of the cutting tool being sharpened.

 

Green stropping paste on an old leather belt is the final stage to getting a razor's edge.

 

For me sharpening cuchillos is like zen therapy- it's even more theraputic than cleaning guns.

 

As for the original post topic- I've had a Strider AR and SMF, but traded them both and finally settled on a Zero Tolerance ZT 301. The odd time I have to wear a suit, I EDC a Chris Reeve large flatground Sebenza.

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