Pack Suggestions needed

I'm looking for options for a new pack.  It will be a military/civilian pack and by that I mean I want something I can wear with the uniform but that doesn't look out of place around town or oconus in civilians.  The reality is that the bag will move my primary weapons system around....my laptop along with files, spare cloths and miscellaneous EDC type stuff.  I go TDY frequently for my role as a reservist and usually travel around the battlefield a bit oconus but mainly doing admin stuff.  I'm currently using a Kifaru X-Ray.  I dig the pockets on the flap and use the top pocket extensively.  What I don't like about the bag is that there isn't an external pocket for Nalgene bottles which I use over a bladder, there is limited organization inside the bag, it is covered in MOLLE which I don't use, and i foolishly bought it in foliage to match our minty old uniforms.  

 

So my requirements are between 2,000 to 3,000 ci, 500D construction, 670-1 compliant without being multicam(solid colors RG, Coyote), ability to hold a GOV laptop, some additional organization would be a plus, spots for Nalgenes, chest strap, able to handle a decent load, and not covered in MOLLE. 

 

I'm looking at a large First Spear Comm Pack but I don't like that it doesn't have a chest strap.  For $220 they could at least include something so basic.   There isn't much info on this bag which considering how long it has been out doesn't seem to be a good sign.   The Urban Zippy looks about right but I don't want to go that small.

 

Thoughts or suggestions?

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It won't have the Nalgene containment setup you mention, but have you been following thread discussing the new low-profile bag under development by ATS?

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SNDT1319 posted:

...I'm looking at a large First Spear Comm Pack but I don't like that it doesn't have a chest strap.  For $220 they could at least include something so basic...

A LOT of people hate sternum straps, so their inclusion is not always now a straight line to adding features or being a professional level of stuff. 

This has some vertical webbing on the bottom half of the shoulder straps, so just get a sternum strap from something else and add it (or get the hardware and sew it yourself or make a friend with a machine do it). All the sliders are split bar, so can be added/removed easily. 

Complete setup with slider alone: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ITW-N...e:g:W6kAAOSwZ3BaXel2

Complete setup with loops around the shoulder strap: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Inc...KsgQaTcjG57bEZK1kA5w

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Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

I have a First Spear Comm Pack (small not the large) as my EDC bag. It would be a vastly more popular bag at a lesser cost I'm sure. I love the bag personally but I wouldn't take lack of reviews on it as a bad sign for this one.

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This thread used to be stickied. It is a few years old but still has some good info. 

https://www.lightfighter.net/to...ack-reference-thread

I know there are plenty of newer and possibly better offerings but I figured I'd throw it out there. 

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Kifaru will be offering a new pack in the next month that's called the Urban Ruck that sounds like it could fit what you're looking for.  I use a Mystery Ranch 3DAP for what you're describing but have been looking for something less military.

Recommend looking at the Kelty Redwing TAA/military Line: 

https://www.kelty.com/search.p...ery=Redwing+military

I have the Redwing 44 and it has served me as a carry on for 1-2 days worth of stuff with gov’t computer (I think 15.5”) and travel bag for 3-4 days without computer.


The 44’s side pockets will fit a Nalgene, but the dedicated water bottle pockets are basically worthless. Straps are adjustable, there’s a sternum strap, and removable belt (although I’m not clear if the 30’s belt is removable).


Doesn’t scream tactical although it has MOLLE on the bottom and the Kelty logo is a Velcro patch. Construction is heavier and better than the civilian Redwing and there are some features not available in the civilian one either.

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he Kifaru "Antero" looks better suited for EDC than the "Urban Zippy", yet it has the same amount  of space and comes in at the same price.  So if you're willing to step down to a 1500ci/24.5L pack, it might warrant consideration.  Otherwise the Kelty Redwing 30T, Kelty MAP3500, or the First Spear Comm (large) appear to fit your want/need list better.

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https://store.kifaru.net/urban...00ci--278l-p249.aspx

Edited: And NOW the Kifaru email comes out. Better promo info... 

Urban Ruck

A rucksack style bag, the Urban Ruck keeps things simple and straight forward.  Some of the features include two zippered pockets, a space behind the main compartment for one of our new chamber slider panels (available in two styles and colors) and a belt pouch matrix on the front.  The 4 way stretch water bottle pockets on either side will fit Nalgene sized bottles without compromising interior space. The front zippered pocket has slots for keeping items separated.  The lid pocket has some dimensionality to it as well as a key hook. The Back is padded with .25” closed cell foam.  There are two spots to hang one of our chamber pockets (one included), in the main compartment and slot pocket in the back.  There is also a tab at the top of the slot pocket for hanging a water bladder.

Chamber sliders -  These panels will fit anywhere you can hang one of our chamber pockets.  They are made from 1/16” HDPE and 500d Cordura.  Each has webbing tracks on the back of each that will attach through the chamber hanger points, so the panel can be pulled out of the bag and stowed again.  A webbing handle is sewn into the top of both panels. Both versions come in CB and Black.


The Organizer Chamber slider has a padded main compartment that will fit a 15 MacBook and similar sized items.  It has a HDPE sheet sewn in that prevents the computer from hitting the floor when set down.  On the front of the panel there are some pen slots up top and a stretch zippered pocket for chargers or loose items.

The Pals Chamber slider has 8 rows of Molle with 6 columns of standard 1.5” Pals.  There are two stay guides on the back that house two aluminum stays that the customer can bend to their preference.
Urban Ruck

Chamber Slider

Chamber sliders -  These panels will fit anywhere you can hang one of our chamber pockets.  They are made from 1/16” HDPE and 500d Cordura.  Each has webbing tracks on the back of each that will attach through the chamber hanger points, so the panel can be pulled out of the bag and stowed again.  A webbing handle is sewn into the top of both panels. Both versions come in CB and Black.


The Organizer Chamber slider (17.5in / 44cm x 10.5in / 26cm  14oz) has a padded main compartment that will fit a 15 MacBook and similar sized items.  It has a HDPE sheet sewn in that prevents the computer from hitting the floor when set down.  On the front of the panel there are some pen slots up top and a stretch zippered pocket for chargers or loose items.

The Pals Chamber slider (17.5in / 44cm x 10.5in / 26cm  15oz) has 8 rows of Molle with 6 columns of standard 1.5” Pals.  There are two stay guides on the back that house two aluminum stays that the customer can bend to their preference.

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

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I was very excited about the Urban Ruck but based on the info provided my GOV laptop won’t fit which is a major no go.  

I think it is smaller than I thought.  The base size is only 1,400ci.  Their statement about approximately 2,000 ci comes from including the collar.  It is smaller in every dimension than the Comm’s Pack.

 I guess I need to email FS and ask about the laptop size for that pack just to make sure.

If I wasn’t married, I’d get both.

A Soldier without bullets is just a tourist!
SNDT1319 posted:

I'm looking for options for a new pack.  It will be a military/civilian pack and by that I mean I want something I can wear with the uniform but that doesn't look out of place around town or oconus in civilians.  

 I'm currently using a Kifaru X-Ray.

 Thoughts or suggestions?

I used an X-Ray (still have it) for a few years and I still love the pack. But it draws too much attention, especially traveling OCONUS. I replaced it with an Antero and I’ve been really happy. The Antero doesn’t draw as many second looks, IMO. I can fit a wide mouth Hydroflask in one exterior slot pocket and an umbrella and pack cover, or small med kit, in the other. With the Kifaru Organizer on front like most folks choose, the MOLLE is covered and it looks even more “normal” (and works great as an admin pouch). Laptop fits in the slot but there’s no padding at the bottom so set it down gently. It’s been a great pack. I don’t think I could fit much in the way of clothes, though, in addition to my daily work stuff. 

the Arc Khard or Assault 30/45 sounds like it may fit the bill. Offered in Tan, Black or Multicam, no molle outside. The only sticking point is I don't know that a Nalgene will fit in the side pockets. I'll check when I get home tonight.

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Shadow93,

I’ve got a 17” Dell as my issue laptop.  I’m wondering if it would fit in the kifaru just not in the padded sleeve.  The pull out sheet has me intrigued.  I’m sure if I’m a little patient someone will buy it and do a review.

I hopefully still have a couple of months before I go TDY again.

I tried to convince my wife to let me buy both and return the one I didn’t like but she didn’t go for it.  Knows me too well I guess.

A Soldier without bullets is just a tourist!

Nalgene will fit in the side pockets of the Deadbird Khard/Assault packs, both 30 and 45L versions. However, it will eat into the interior volume a little bit.

However, 17" laptop would be a bit too large probably...my 14" laptop barely fits in the Khard 30. 


 

Joined: 03 OCT 2006        Meatspace Coordinates: The Smoke

Well I checked with FS and my laptop will fit in the COMM's pack. Someone else with a similar question to mine confirmed with Kifaru on Instagram that the Urban Ruck won't fit one bigger than 15".  I guess that settles that.

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I would recommend checking out Go Ruck brand.  They are tailor-made to urban ops:  carrying a lap-top, also good room for a break-down rifle; even slots for plates, and a hanger for hydro bladders, if you go that route.  They have minimal external molle, so no allowance for external water bottle carry.  But it does make for a nice compact package.  I have been training in one for a couple of months now.  They are really optimized for moving efficiently through urban terrain.  Good choice of sizes and cross-over colors.   Military wear authorized.  Built like a brick shit-house.  

Not as technical on the details, like basic suspension design, no sternum strap, no bottom drag handle, etc. but at the same time the simplicity seems to work well for this terrain and purpose.  I train with 20-30 lbs in it, which it soaks up with ease.   Unlike my knees.           

I absolutely LOVE my GORUCK rucks. My EDC ruck is a 26L GR1. I've tossed a laptop even a plate carrier in it without issue. When I ruck for training, I use a 21L because less extra shit to carry means less superfluous weight in the ruck.  For a travel ruck, I'd recommend a GR2 or GR3, both designed to work within the confines of airline carry-on dimensions.

Joined: 30 May 2003                  Location: SE PA

So I ordered the large Comm's Pack.  My first impression is mostly positive.  I took a couple of pictures of it next to a G1 RAID pack and a Kifaru X-Ray pack to give people an idea of sizing.  I think this pack will work great for what I want. 

I did notice some odd things though.  The two sides of the pack aren't sewn the same size.  You can see on the Top view that one side is deeper than the other.  I'm not sure if that is on purpose or a stitching error.  There is a strip of Velcro inside the pack that I assumed was for securing a water bladder of some sort but I'm not sure how it would work.  You basically can only create a roll with the strip but the weight of a full bladder will just unroll it.  Maybe I'm missing something but I'm not sure.  Two things that are more design decisions that I don't agree with is the lack of a chest strap and placing a grommet on the bottom of the pack.   They use a nice rubber like fabric on the bottom that looks like it would resist water well but then they put a hole there.  What is the point of using such a nice material only to put a hole there?  I don't usually place my bags in water but sometimes surfaces are wet.  I might try and find a grommet plug that will fit in the hole.  

 

Well nuts the pictures didn't work.  I'll have to try and figure out how to host them somewhere else.  

 

 

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Hmmm.  I'm trying to picture what you mean.  If you are looking at the pack, with the shoulder straps facing you, and then the two sides are different widths, that's a problem.  Contact Go Ruck and get that figured out.  

That little Velcro straps actually works just fine.  Most bladders bottom out before any real weight is put on it.  I use a 3L jarhead bladder in there and haven't had anything come loose in two months use.  It's really just to hold the top up so it ain't moving around in there and trying to do something stupid- like leak. If you want, wrap some duct tape around it to secure it.    

Go Ruck is good peeps; they will take care of any problems.  

Sternum strap, yeah easy add.

Grommet, well opinions vary.  Usually it's best if there is a way for water to drain out, instead of retaining water long enough to fuck up everything inside.  I always use dry bags any ways.  Do not depend on the cordura to keep your stuff dry.  You could get a rigger to remove the grommet and re-sew material over the hole, but it will still soak through eventually.  Better to use dry sacks for everything, IMHO.     

I'll have to look at my Comm Pack after work and see if one side is longer than the other. I don't believe it is. I also don't think I have a grommet in the bottom of mine, at least not one that I've ever noticed haha. I'll get back to you on it.

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Lets try this.....

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Comm's Pack, G1 RAID, and Kifaru X-Ray

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Here they are filled to give an idea of scale.

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Here is a top picture that shows what I was talking about as far as the excess material. The bottom is clearly thicker than the top portion.   FS stated that the difference was to account for the zipper so that everything would be even once it was flat on your back.  

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Hill People Gear AHBC

 

https://hillpeoplegear.com/Pro...oryID/3/ProductID/82

 

 

Hill People: AMAZING suspension and shoulder harness, and is sewn by First Spear. I have a handful of HPG packs, and all of them have been top notch in function and quality. 

 

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* use the coupon code "rbwithpack" to get a $10 discount on a Recon Belt when purchased with this pack *

The Aston House BC (Backcountry) is based on the Aston House pack, but with less built in organization and a heavier duty chassis. It will compress down for light hiking and mountain biking, but is suitable for overnighters in temperate climates with ultralight gear. It has the following features:

  • single panel loading main compartment
  • rear of main compartment is fully lined with PALS cut velcro loop (First Spear 6/12)
  • main compartment can also has quick access top and bottom zippers located near the suspension side
  • panel opening has an open top mesh compartment on the inside
  • outside front of the pack has a zippered slot pocket
  • sizable dual wand pockets
  • suspension is belt capable (belt not included) and has dual full height 7000 series aluminum stays as well as hdpe framesheet
  • new Aston Panel is a hypalon / velcro loop laminate cut with PALS. It will support pals pouches on the outside or inside, and it will support velcro pouches on the inside

Comparative Volume: 2900ci / 48L
Beltless Chassis Capacity: 80lbs
Belted Chassis Capacity: 150lbs

 

Just a quick review, after about a week with the FS Comms Pack.  The main compartment is smaller than I thought but I think it will be just fine for what I'm going to use it for.  I took it out on a day hike that was a couple of miles but loaded a basic survival kit up along with food and an extra coat.  It was excessive for what the hike was but I wanted to try it out.  I can say that adding a chest strap was really important for my comfort.  I unhooked it but didn't like how it carried without the strap.  The biggest thing I noticed was that my back didn't get as hot as it usually does with a pack on my back.  I usually always has a sweat patch under a back pack and I didn't with the Comms pack.  I don't know if it was just the perfect temp outside or what but I'll take it as a good sign.  

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