Recently I've  come to the end of my law enforcement career. With that came the end of needing different loadouts for various eventualities. 

As a civilian, I don't necessarily need a load for riots and entries and active shooters. But my equipment is set up for it.  So I'm asking this for discussions sake. Are swift clip setups on armor necessary or would a shingle be sufficient for classes and the possibility of shit going south. 

And. Discuss. 

Because...........Malinois 

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Mayflower UW Gen 4. Everything you'll need, nothing you don't. It can be swift clipped, used stand alone with the harness, has plenty of storage for classes, shtf scenarios, or whatever. I just got a modified Gen 4 placard and couldn't be happier with it, but I also have the full Gen 4 as well for times when that is better suited for the circumstances.

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I recently became interested in a placard setup and have been looking at the Whisky Two Four stuff... I run a FS Strandhögg, how stable is a placard setup compared to direct attach?

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XTCBX posted:

I recently became interested in a placard setup and have been looking at the Whisky Two Four stuff... I run a FS Strandhögg, how stable is a placard setup compared to direct attach?

I've run the mayflower triple rifle placard with a Tenspeed pistol as my base. 

I also have used the newer HSGI chest rig as a plus up. This was attached with a mission spec riggit kit and the side straps on my plateminus attaching directly to the chest rig. It's a little more secure than the placard. 

Because...........Malinois 

I really like my Spiritus micro fight rig. 

3 mags, velcro interior pouch, removable and adjustable flap, can add a "belly bag" for more storage. Swift clips to a vest or can be run stand alone. Nifty minimalist kit. 

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For me the Mayflower has been getting attached to a BFG LMAC and with the velcro connecting the two I haven't had any issues. For my other chest rig that doesn't see much use anymore (BFG rackminus) with the swift clips I have used either the mayflower or down range gear kits (depending on male/female clip sets on the chest rig) with good results for stabilization. It just takes a little longer to don with the additional side clips, but once attached it's never been an issue. Personally, I like the placard set up since I will run my radio's out of GP or ten speed pouches when not on my 1st line depending on the mission set I'm working. It cuts down on the size and with the velcro I don't have as many clips during quick donning situations.

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FourNinerZero posted:

I really like my Spiritus micro fight rig. 

3 mags, velcro interior pouch, removable and adjustable flap, can add a "belly bag" for more storage. Swift clips to a vest or can be run stand alone. Nifty minimalist kit. 

I thought about getting one if these. The one thing I've been curious is how big the front part is if you get the half flap. I thought about putting a vacuum sealed med kit. Or just a bandage and hemistatic gauze. This rig is what's causing my current dilemma.  

Because...........Malinois 

I like the concept of the swift clip placards and chest rigs, but rarely use them these days. I'd still make sure that the next chest rig I buy is compatible though.

You're question concerns both classes and "shit going south".

For classes, I think you can work from a pants belt for 90% of them and be just fine.

For shit going south, it depends on how far down that rabbit hole you want to get, but the minimal loadout is probably best and I still like a belt for that. The thing about attaching an ammo-only placard to your armor is you still need a place for an IFAK and the problem with some full-blown chest rigs is that they can interfere with your pistol.

Have you looked into the Unity Clutch? That's something you could wear over your CCW setup and have a decent SHTF load (an IFAK and a couple rifle mags), conceal it with a big shirt (or your car), and wear it independently of armor.

 

Know what you know; Know what you don't know. -Paul Petzoldt

I've been looking at that as well. I have one belt set up currently and working on a second lower profile one. 

I like to have options and I adhere to the plus up theory when it comes to gear. But I wanted input from others before making a final decision on basically a permanent style of setting up gear. 

Because...........Malinois 

Options are good.

One way to determine an answer to your original question is to determine how everything will integrate into a system of sorts. For example, if you've got a belt setup that you can work out of, then you may not want the redundancy of a full-on chest rig; you may only want to plus-up ammo.

Since you're a (recently retired?) LEO, you've got the perspective to shape how you might use your "emergency" loadout. I think the questions guys should be asking as they kit-up for CONUS are things like, "If I'm wearing/carrying my SHTF load, can I drive away from this natural disaster and through a police checkpoint without getting hemmed up, or are they gonna key-up on the plate carrier I'm wearing with the Gadsden flag on the chest?"

Also, there is no permanent gear setup. We tweak. It's what we do.

 

Know what you know; Know what you don't know. -Paul Petzoldt

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