With the way things seem to be going, I'm starting to reevaluate my preparations for basic degradation in public services. But alas, I do not yet own my own home so I wanted to see what y'all have done to prep with both limited space and restrictions on modifications to the property itself.

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Look at ALL the empty space in where you live.  Under the couch, under the bed, etc.  Look UP, don't forget about the 3rd dimension of the 3d, even if it's just shelves up high in the closets (not that you need to access everything on a daily basis).  Another thing to look at is off site storage (think small storage closet......not bad idea to prepare to lose primary house and still be able to function).  Apartment living is hard from a preparedness stand point, but it's not impossible.  Do you "live" in your apartment or do you eat/sleep in your apartment?  Prepare accordingly.  

It depends a little on how serious you want to take this. Or how serious your wife and/or girlfriend will accomodate.

Have nothing in your life you cannot walk out on in thirty seconds flat.

If you live like a pirate, and do all of your entertaining offsite, the options open up quite a bit.

Narrowing down to one rifle caliber and one pistol caliber helps. So does consolidating around one or two systems. An AR and one pistol means only one war belt and set of magazines, compared to the guy who has a 1911, Glock 21 and 19, MNP40, SIG 320, and a S&W M66 as well as a M1A, SKS, HK91, M700  sniper rifle and a Mauser M98 plus supporting gear for all the above.

Same goes for the guy who only has one back pack, multi purpose clothes, etc.

Consider what you are most likely to use: Are you going to fight more with your rifle or your pistol by preference? Let that dictate the amounts of premium ammo you stockpile for each. For example, I would tend to view a 5:1 ratio as the appropriate one for rifleistol ammo.

If you do have duplicates, consider offsite storage of the spares as Cytex mentioned.  Thieves are not likely to hit your vehicle , apartment, and storage shed(s) all at the same time. Depending on the circumstance, the same applies to a search warrant or Temporary Restraining Order.  Depending on your domestic situation and local laws a Protective order can really screw up your basic plans.  Having spare stuff stored off site with few people who know about it is helpful in one of those situations.

Energy dense foods are easy to store if you don't mind the warehouse look. But they require different cooking than all the easy bake box stuff.  A Fanny Farmer cookbook and a Betty Crocker cookbook really help make commodity type stuff into great meals.

Knockdown Gorilla racks from Sam's Club, Costco, or the like help with storing stuff in a orderly manner. Gamma seal lids make 5 gallon buckets pretty useful, but still easy to get into.

Solo prepping without space/resources is a tough gig.  If you have people you know/trust (family, or VERY good friends), you can team up and store/Prep at another site.  

A rentable storage unit (get a climate-controlled one if you’re storing food) is another option.  That’s where I store stuff I can’t/don’t store at home.

its amazing what you can pack into a 10x12 storage unit

What are you prepping for? What are you prepping against? 

Everyone wants to talk about guns and ammo, but the reality is that you should probably be looking at provisioning yourself to be able to stay home for 60 days without going outside. Lots of problems can be solved by locking the doors and leaving the blinds closed. 

Food and water are the immediate staples. I like keeping a month or two of freeze-dried type meals on hand because they take up very little space and are portable. If you're MIL/LE, you can get the Mountain House pro-deal and save some cash. Something most people don't think about is that you can buy a case or two of Ramen and some Mountain House #10 cans and repackage meals with a food saver to quite easily get a 30-60 day supply of food on hand for less than $300. If you camp and hike or hunt you now have a ready-made pool of meals for your trips. If you eat canned foods it makes sense to just buy one extra can each time you replenish. Let's say you eat some canned chili and you know you're going to get more, just buy two cans instead of one. As soon as you use one, buy two more if it's a common item. That's the easiest way to build food storage. Buy what you eat and eat what you buy. 

Water is a bit trickier in an apartment. I have a big ass house with a huge pantry, so I have no problem storing water. When I lived in an apartment, I would buy cases of bottled water for general consumption and store them in a closet. No one thinks twice when they see cases of water bottles, and it's an easy way to keep 50'ish gallons on hand without a bunch of drama. The next best thing to get are some of those bathtub bags used for hurricanes. You can fill them up in your apartment while you still have water if you think water might be getting scarce. Buy some plain Clorox bleach and a bottle with a dropper. It's super easy to remember that two drops in a quart of clean water will disinfect it. Four drops in a quart of murky water. I have filters and other stuff on hand, but Clorox Bleach is the best thing to keep around for long-term use. Every six months, I pour the entire bottle of bleach into the upper tank of the toilet and scrub it out to keep that water source viable as well. Each prep should make sense; I've got a purification method that can also clean and sanitize. 

If you can have a gas grill or stove get an extra bottle of propane for it. If not, find your best backpacking option and make sure you know how to use it and have fuel laid in for the stove. 

Keep your vehicle tank filled up. Most problems in the USA can be solved by driving one tank of gas away from the problem. Keeping a few months of cash on hand is key to being able to drive away. Don't forget that cash is king. 

You guys can get back to swords and guns now. 

geronimo posted:

What are you prepping for? What are you prepping against? 

Everyone wants to talk about guns and ammo, but the reality is that you should probably be looking at provisioning yourself to be able to stay home for 60 days without going outside. Lots of problems can be solved by locking the doors and leaving the blinds closed. 


Regardless of your religious affiliation, the LDS church has good resources on food storage, including how to integrate it into limited space (apartment living), calculating requirements and even storage resource centers where bulk items can be purchased or packaged - even by non-members.  Search 'LDS food storage' and do some reading.  

Defining your requirement is the first thing.  What do you want to do?  Are you looking at long-term shelter in place preparations?  Bugging out may not be the best option.  Bug out?  Where are you going to go?  Is there a chance your neighborhood will require mandatory evacuation?

We bought a Captains Bed to make room for some of our stuff.

Make sure you can manhandle your bailout bags.  A couple of small suitcases, like you would put in the overhead bin on an airplane, may be better than a duffel bag.  This is one reason I bought a couple of mini-parachute bags from Coleman's.  Make sure it it fits well and you can carry it to the car easily - and it fits in the trunk.  A suitcase works as well as a backpack in a lot of situations.

Be ruthless with culling weight.

Cytez has a good idea - offsite storage.  Do you live in a floodplain?  Rent a storage unit, from a reputable corporation, and keep your bail out supplies there.  Make sure it is out of the floodplain.  Be sure to include supplies for your dog.  I use a re-purposed M5 bag with dog food and such.

Don't forget records; marriage certificate; deeds; car registrations; estate plan, etc.

Here's one idea.  This woman dedicated a coat closet to bailout supplies.

The Latter Day Saints have a lot of no-nonsense planning for self-reliance and preparedness.  They will talk with you and sell you supplies at their store.  

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Along with cash, as has been mentioned, consider an extra supply of things your neighbors will run out of (TP and tampons always make good tender) that you can trade. It buys good will and friendship, as well as another pair of eyes on your property, both while you're home and away. If there are people you trust in your building, consider forming a coop, both for sharing and security. 

As far as food goes, a lot of good suggestions already. Consider getting a dehydrator. They're cheap and don't take up a lot of space. You can dehydrate meats, fruits, veggies and all kinds of other stuff, and reconstitute them for meals or eat them like jerky and trail mix. They also travel well if you have to bug out or run out for supplies. 

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Consider buying chlorine pool shock (granular) rather than liquid bleach.  It’s more compact, you can make bleach from it, and sanitize a metric shit-ton of water from a pound of granular Chlorine.

it also stores FAR better than aqueous bleach, which is useless in a matter of months.

In case it hasn't been brought up in this thread or another, for those thinking about storing supplies in a public storage unit keep the following in mind. At least in my city (and I'd gather most others) burglaries against public storage units has been steady and in some cases increasing. In several reports I took people kept firearms, ammo, and other similar type of items inside. 

Most of the large corporate chain types may or may not have video surveillance mounted only at entrance/exit areas. In most cases they're not HD, and quite frankly it wouldn't matter since you couldn't determine if a vehicle/person was connected to the crime anyways. The public storage units are just secured by a padlock, something easily enough defeated by a pair of cheap bolt-cutters. And if you happen to visit during off-hours (2200-0500 hours) you're likely to be the only one there and can take your time.

I say this not to shoot down the idea of keeping your stuff off-site. But if done cleverly, i.e. putting supplies secured and hidden out of immediate sight, yet easily accessible if needed then this is a viable option. I just wanted to raise it to attention as up until now I've taken my fair share of burglary reports at these places. And in all of these cases, the companies/employees could give less of a shit about addressing or resolving the issue of security.

Space at family/friends for a BOB, plastic tote or two or duffle bag/kit bag or two goes a long way with some planning. Water storage thing that fits in a bath tub. They are not expensive, either. Move bookcases and furniture away from walls a bit and store behind them. End tables and low dressers can be raised and preps stored under them. Can you save space by re-packaging preps?


The one storage solution I have not (yet) seen get hit by thieves is the Conex box type. Some places have lots full of these in 10', 20' and 40' sizes. They are pretty secure.

Packaging makes a difference in rental storage. Having your stuff densely packed in a construction grade gang box makes it less likely to get lifted.


This model weighs 190# empty. Full of ammo, maybe a firearm or two, some tools, etc.  it is not getting moved out of the shed without a forklift or enterprising thieves with a low trailer, rollers, pallet jack, come alongs or Tommy lift gate. It double locks with two padlocks.

This also will work if you're storing stuff at a friend/relative garage or house- At the very least it helps keep idle curiosity at bay. It also deters the "Smash and Grab Artists.

Five gallon Culligan jugs are a slick way to buy and store bulk water. We keep about ten on hand at any time and rotate them through the dispenser. That is 50 gallons of water- Sparingly used it will last for a while.

Any dry edibles are best stored in plastic buckets to prevent rodent and insect damage.

I like to keep enough plywood and screws around to secure broken windows as needed. This is more in case of environmental damage (wind, hail, falling tree, etc.) but still useful.

Oh, if you use trash cans, steel instead of plastic.  Most rats I know cannot chew through galvanized steel and raccoons still haven't figured out how to take a bungee cord off a stash can.

X-RAY DAVE mentions something very important, allies and friends.  If a friend doesn't mind you keeping your gear at his place you may have a win-win situation.  You have your stuff, he gets your muscle once in awhile.

Some comments on water.  Store what you can and have the bath tub bladder to fill if you have time. Have 2 ways, other than boiling to purify water.  Filter, chemical.  Boiling works, but is time consuming and requires some type of fuel.  Silcock keys will get you access to water in and outside of buildings.  A super syphon would be nice for transferring water

Solar or hand crank  battery chargers. AM/FM/SW/ Weather radio . Scanner is handy to get real time information. Most of all a well thought out plan divided up into key areas. Food, water, heat/light/power, commo, security, cooking/sanitation, medical, noise & light discipline, bug out plan. Dividing things up makes it more manageable. How and when to retrieve supplies from other locations? Develop a "mutual aid" network and plan. Share skills, supplies, key items, labor. 

Cash, no large bills. $20s and LOTS of $1s and $5s. If you have a camping or backpacking stove, extra fuel. Never allow car gas tank below half. If you can keep a bag in the car that gives you another layer of preps and additional supplies. Don't forget OPSEC & PERSEC, your neighbors don't need to see or know.


X-ray Dave posted:

Some comments on water.  Store what you can and have the bath tub bladder to fill if you have time. Have 2 ways, other than boiling to purify water.  Filter, chemical.  Boiling works, but is time consuming and requires some type of fuel.  Silcock keys will get you access to water in and outside of buildings.  A super syphon would be nice for transferring water




Water Bob $34.95 plus shipping.  www.waterbob.com.


Regarding offsite commercial storage. I have a 10x15 climate controlled storage at one of the big chains.  We keep the usual crap in it but I added a bunch of food, water, etc. just as an extra supply. 

Laat year before the hurricane I got an email saying they were closing and they stayed closed for a few days and the place was completely inaccessible.  

For me it is still a viable option but I need to plan on the place being closed during a large scale problem.  Driving across town crashing a gate and breaking into a warehouse isn’t at the top of my list of options. But if I know I’m going to need extra provisions for a storm for example, it is a good way to stay out of the grocery store. With advanced notice I can move stuff from storage to my living room.  

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