PPGMD, Yes, the hub is capable of mounting a RAID on either side of the hub, or on any of the accessories (Extension, Wing Mount, Forward Rail, etc)





I will be putting up some pictures today with a DBAL mounted.

Crackbot - Final pricing is not set, however it will be competitive. And we will likely run some promotions as well.

Thanks

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$40! Sweet!

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Wow...just found this thread, dont know how I missed it.

Very nice! I love to see innovation like this that comes form hands on use.

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Steven, yes it does provide more optic obstruction than a a standard mount. I will say it does put the fire button in an optimal position though.

Artic - Thank you - Spread the word.

I also had some questions on the weight of the system. Hopefully this answers most of them:



And our offset Micro Mount - This is a phase 2 product and will not be released with the initial set shown in the image above...

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First off, thank you to LF and its membership for the support, guidance, and help. Its much appreciated, we have some new products we will be announcing here in a few weeks and are very excited about....

Update - We have opened this up for pre-order. I did'nt want to post the rather large pictures, but please check us out

www.UnityTactical.com
www.Facebook.com/UnityTacticalLLC

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How would a PEQ15 work? Would the lights clear it?

Cheers, Matt

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Virgil, if you are talking about an Insight PEQ-15, then I will have to double check, but I know it will work with.

If you placed the hub directly in front of the PEQ you could use:

Hub
Wing Offset Mount
And you could run our BUIS on top if you wanted.

Or you could mount a scout at 12 'clock on the hub and use a pressure switch.

Hope that helps, we will likely have an Insight PEQ-15 solution in production next year.

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Yes sir, phase 2 (Q2 2013):

Tubular Rail Hub
Ops-Core ARC Hub
Battery (CR123a) compartment
Offset Aimpoint Micro
Offset Trijicon RMR
And a few more

We also have another exciting fusion announcement for SHOT.

Thanks

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Got to meet Chappy and got to see the LDI OV-3, a 400lumem white/IR. We setup one of thier guns with FUSION and the OV-3.





Chappy, good to meet you, put a face to the name, and see some of your new stuff.

LDI had some really neat projects they were working on.

Also a DBAL / Inforce APL combo.

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Necroposting
- goteron, is the Fusion compatible with the LDI DBAL-D2 Class 1 IR Laser (civ legal ver)?

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Paladyn,

It is not compatible with the D2, I tried to find a way to do it, that illuminator housing is just too large.

Update: We are shipping this week through next week on all orders. Thank you

Some new pictures:


-Thanks Stephen

And our ARC Rail Hub Prototype



Also, just thinking, but would you guys be up for a pass-around if I sent a complete set to someone, they could try it out for a while and then send it on to the next guy?

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goteron,
I'll be taking my Fusion mount to A-stan with me. I'll let you know how it works out.

quote:
Originally posted by goteron:
Paladyn,

It is not compatible with the D2, I tried to find a way to do it, that illuminator housing is just too large.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ON THE WWAAAYYY!!! followed by OH SHIT!!! means you won't be getting that promotion.

Just for information:

 

I got out the scales tonight to see how the Fusion system measures up against the parts it is replacing. All weights are taken with the screws for each section. While none of these mounts are overly heavy, they are probably out towards the front of the gun. These measurements are part of a larger post I'll do later on weight. I'm currently running into an issue where my 16" gun is probably getting too front heavy and will need some weight in the rear to help balance things out a bit - or perhaps a little less weight out front.

 

LDI Factory DBAL Mount: 1.24oz

GearSector Offset 1" Mount: 1.06oz

VTAC Offset 1" 1.62oz

 

Lets ignore for a second that I can't use either mount to place a white light at 10 or 2 with the DBAL. For a DBAL and Light, in mounts only, we're looking at either 2.3oz or 2.86oz.

 

Fusion Hub: 0.95oz

Fusion Offset Wing Mount: 0.48oz

Fusion 1" ring: 0.48oz

Fusion Total: 1.91oz

 

The Fusion package saves me either 0.39oz or 0.95oz. Not a whole lot, but it also takes away from the jigsaw puzzle that I run into every time I try to move shit around on my rifle.

 

Using a Fury with the Gear Sector mount at ~2o'clock, I had to mount the light in such a way that one of the finger groves lined up with the release mechanism on the Troy front sight or else I couldn't fold it back down.

 

My only complaint (and it really isn't one) is that placement of the rail section on the Offset Wing Mount causes both itself and the hand guard rail to be unusable when mounted on a LaRue rail. The only way I can see to get a light on there is with their rings or possibly any lights which are designed to bolt directly to it (Scout?). It would be a pretty tight fit, if a fit at all, with a DBAL on top of it no matter what kind of rail it was mounted on.

 

All said, this is some pretty awesome shit. It is pretty rare when I pick up something gun related and say "This just... works!" Granted its been fairly recent, but the last time was when I got my first DG switch and wondered how I ever lived without one. I'm not qualified to endorse a product, nor will I. I just hope it functions as well as it fits.

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The Fusion system seems to have gone through some adjustments. Hopefully I'm not spoiling any planned marketing releases.

There is no mention of the Original Hub on their website anymore. The Micro Hub has been adjusted slightly so they can be used as DBAL-A3 and -I2 mounts (and probably others, those are what I have on hand). I believe there are other changes (better integration with the BE Meyers MAWL?) but I'm not sure. If anyone is interested, I can grab a pic of the Micro Hub 2.0 insert.

The LightWing adapter I just got has screw holes down the entire length rather than just at the end as the image on the site indicates. Lighter, and more adjustable. Nice.

My first C1 DBAL-A3 wouldn't work with the Original Hub and the Offset Wing in the intended configuration (Hub clamp screw to the rear). Part of the vertical adjustment of the laser 'erector assembly' protruded ~1/10th" beyond contact with the Offset Wing.

I talked to GOTERON about it at the time. I'm not sure if it was just the C1 version or an across the board change with the -A3 in general. All subsequent C1 -A3s have been the same except for some minor unrelated changes.

I could only get two mounting screws into the Offset Wing if I reversed the Original Hub. This functioned fine and made for one hell of a compact package. This was the end result:

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This is the same DBAL-A3 and light with the Micro Hub 2.0 and RH LightWing:

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I took a head-on pic, but didn't notice that it had the flash hider in focus and the DBAL/Light were just a blob in the background. The light is a little closer to 3 o'clock, and little farther away from the vertical center line of the bore. It is also significantly closer to the flash hider on this 16" gun with 12" LaRue rail. With this setup mounted on an 11.5" gun with a 10" LaRue or BCM KMR rail, the light is basically flush with the flash hider.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not a big fan of shadows generated by WMLs, especially when they're at or above the horizontal center line of the bore. I'm a .civ, I don't train enough, and my brain doesn't like shadows where I want to be seeing things. This new setup is a massive improvement on the 16" gun with 12" rail.

As a side note, the original hub seemed to put the -A3 slightly higher than the OEM mount. The 2.0 Micro Hub is visually at the same height as the OEM. I'd hoped this would fix the back of the DBAL taking up the bottom 3/8ths of the view at 1x on the AccuPower 1-8 (seen left), but it really didn't do shit.

In my unqualified .civ opinion, the folks at Unity Tactical have some pretty remarkable products. Not seen on the other side is a TAPS Pro. Mine, while part of the recall, seems to work fine. I'm patiently waiting for an in-stock notification to pick up a few more.

TAKE MY MONEY.

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Ok lets do some good/bad/ugly. I've gotten my second 2.0 Hub, my second LightWing, and I'm trying to mount up a brand spankin new DBAL-A3.

This information is mostly specific to a DBAL-A3/"Scout" setup, however it may be applicable elsewhere.

The Good: Its Fusion. The design philosophy is great (IMO). The hub mounts to the top rail, everything builds out from there. Everything is relative to the hub/top rail which gives it a pretty significant amount of interchangeability. It works the same on a fat LaRue rail as it does on a slim BCM KMR.

The Bad/Ugly: Since there isn't anything inherently bad (IMO) with the Fusion system, I'm going to combine these two. It is a great system, but it isn't without some problems - either that, or I'm the problem.

The screws - I had a book written, but I'm just going to condense it. The screw heads have gone to something like a hybrid cap/button instead of the original button. The hex socket on the large screws seems questionable at best. I've stripped 3 of 8 - 1 with the included wrench, 2 with a brand new tight fitting hex driver. I have no idea what the deal is. When they're coated in lubricant for test fitting they're fine, when they're actually seated to any degree the rounding begins. If you've got thread locker on them, they're one time use only.

They also seem like they're just a hair too long for the DBAL-A3. I've only swapped over my newest and oldest one. I've taken a C4 spike and cleaned out any thread locker on both units. I got the oldest one to work, but not by much. The screws may very well have bottomed out as they clamped the two pieces together.

The new -A3? Fuck this thing. I rounded both original mounting screws straight out of the gate. I got one out with a Fucked Screw Extractor, and had to slot the other with a Dremel. There was so much thread locker that the original mount was essentially glued on. And, after all was said and done, the Micro Hub 2.0 screws bottomed out in the DBAL with the Hub still loose.

I'll get in touch with them and see what they say.

And you know, maybe it is a function of the C1 version of the -A3. I don't know.

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FastSS posted:

Ok lets do some good/bad/ugly. I've gotten my second 2.0 Hub, my second LightWing, and I'm trying to mount up a brand spankin new DBAL-A3.

This information is mostly specific to a DBAL-A3/"Scout" setup, however it may be applicable elsewhere.

The Good: Its Fusion. The design philosophy is great (IMO). The hub mounts to the top rail, everything builds out from there. Everything is relative to the hub/top rail which gives it a pretty significant amount of interchangeability. It works the same on a fat LaRue rail as it does on a slim BCM KMR.

The Bad/Ugly: Since there isn't anything inherently bad (IMO) with the Fusion system, I'm going to combine these two. It is a great system, but it isn't without some problems - either that, or I'm the problem.

The screws - I had a book written, but I'm just going to condense it. The screw heads have gone to something like a hybrid cap/button instead of the original button. The hex socket on the large screws seems questionable at best. I've stripped 3 of 8 - 1 with the included wrench, 2 with a brand new tight fitting hex driver. I have no idea what the deal is. When they're coated in lubricant for test fitting they're fine, when they're actually seated to any degree the rounding begins. If you've got thread locker on them, they're one time use only.

They also seem like they're just a hair too long for the DBAL-A3. I've only swapped over my newest and oldest one. I've taken a C4 spike and cleaned out any thread locker on both units. I got the oldest one to work, but not by much. The screws may very well have bottomed out as they clamped the two pieces together.

The new -A3? Fuck this thing. I rounded both original mounting screws straight out of the gate. I got one out with a Fucked Screw Extractor, and had to slot the other with a Dremel. There was so much thread locker that the original mount was essentially glued on. And, after all was said and done, the Micro Hub 2.0 screws bottomed out in the DBAL with the Hub still loose.

I'll get in touch with them and see what they say.

And you know, maybe it is a function of the C1 version of the -A3. I don't know.

FastSS,

We did have an issue with some of the screws not having a properly cut socket and not heat treated which led to the problem you experienced. If you need them replaced, contact us on the page and we will ensure we get them all replaced with the proper screws. The length on the Steiner lasers is hit or miss between lasers. We wanted as much thread engagement as possible, so you can grind .015" off the end to make it fit if you would like. We are making our screws slightly shorter to accommodate this.

 

Thanks!

 

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After my previous I reached out to Unity for replacement screws. I swapped most of them. When I pulled the setup off today, I found that one of the screws holding the WML on was missing a head. This goes for anything - CHECK YOUR FASTENERS. I'll post more details when I have more time.

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