Punch daggers/knives

Anyone using one for a close in GTFO me tool? 

 

Specifically for police patrol work probably on the ankle, and off duty.  

 

Looked at both single and double edged models due to the TX law change. 

 

Trained fencer, historical swordfighter etc, however my current knife experience level other than 1 Steve Moses class is in "the pointy end goes in the other man" vs "there can be only one"....

 

I've looked at the Benchmade and the Gerber, as well as the SOCP since some of our guys carry them for the same purpose. 

 

Thoughts?

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My department authorizes us to wear external carriers, so since I switched I was looking for one with the same goal. Since there's overlap from the carrier I wanted the handle reachable but not protruding too much or easy enough for the asshole to grab. I was originally looking at Spartan Blades or Benchmade SOCP type, but ultimately went the Colonel Blade.

https://www.bravocompanyusa.co...ack-p/lv-pro-blk.htm

The handle is similarly shaped to a Karambit. I ended up taking off the included belt clip and replaced it with a Blade-Tech IWB soft loop so it sits closer to the body and reduces the awkward angle if worn underneath a duty belt. Since I have zero knife fighting experience/training I like the fact the knife's design is simple to use. If you can throw a punch you can use the knife. 

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My issue w the Colonel is size, i have a similar TDI and i can't figure out a place to hide it. I already have a Shield in a Mika vest rig, this is for if i can't get to it, ie down on my back. I carry a Triage in my left front but it's primarily a tool.

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I'll try and get a picture to show you how little the handle sticks out past the duty belt. Not sure if you wear an external carrier, but if you do that will conceal it even more. It's easy enough for me to grab on to yet, it would be difficult for the bad guy to just try and get hands on. If they did tried it would be an overt violation of Rule 4 and I would be onto them before that.

Try look at the Osprey DUCK knife, not much bigger than a SF EB1, has a finger loop and tanto blade. I originally bought it as a neck knife, but later mounted to my duty belt. I replaced it with the Colonel blade due to being told the color did not match my uniform.

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That may work. A friend has a CRKT minimalist that works well in a boot knife role as well. I just want a bit more blade.

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I carried a Cold Steel "Urban Skinner" for years, even though unauthorized. I bought it way before "Platoon" made the larger double edged version all the rage (damn I'm old) and still have it. Not working the road anymore, but still use it. Got to have something as backups here are verboten, and have been forever. I don't see it changing either.

Location: North Carolina

Those work well for centerline concealed carry. Never seen one in an ankle rig, which is primarily what i am looking for. Punch daggers are not orientation specific, and having seen a bunch of people get knifed, i am looking for a stabber, not a slasher.  

I am well aware of the Clinch Pick, but it does not fit the job as far as i know, though I've not handled one.

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Had an NHP motorcycle officer in the store a couple of weeks ago.  Folder clipped in one boot top and a push dagger (it looked like a Cold Steel) in the other.

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Any further input?

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No actual experience with the following below, merely suggestions.

 

SOB Push Dagger- Being it's made entirely of G10 weight would not be an issue.

https://www.weaponoutfitters.c...her-push-dagger.html

 

TOPS Grim Ripper - If you want more blade on a push dagger.

https://www.topsknives.com/kni...tactical/grim-ripper

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I was aware of the TOPS, but not the SOB..

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I'm pretty much a virgin with these kinds of knives (meaning I haven't had a formal knife skills class), but I impulse bought the Lo-Vis Pro version of the Colonel because I wanted to ditch the folder for something more ambidextrously simple. Its handle is a half inch shorter than the regular version and fit well in my hand. They sold me on the intuitive means of use (which I am sure is probably just sort of mostly true). Eventually I'd like to get some formal training with this. It ships with a training blade too, which is nice. 

My  reasoning is, being an untrained, would-be, future knife fighter, this blade would probably serve me better in a pinch that my Benchmade folder ever would.

For me in plain clothes, this is really easy to wear concealed and to get to. Lots of options for carry if your uniform includes an outer vest. I see guys with push knives/daggers/karambits sticking out of their duty belt line in uniform and it makes me cringe.

 

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Maskirovka posted:

 

For me in plain clothes, this is really easy to wear concealed and to get to. Lots of options for carry if your uniform includes an outer vest. I see guys with push knives/daggers/karambits sticking out of their duty belt line in uniform and it makes me cringe.

I'm in the same boat as you in regards to formal training. I know enough that folders aren't really an option at all when things go to the ground or even in a struggle standing up. There are exceptions to some patrol guys with push daggers mounted behind a 20rnd magazine, double pistol pouch, etc on their duty belt, but yeah if it's standalone and exposed it's just as easy access for them as it is a bad guy.

Besides the simplicity of the Colonel I also liked the angled geometry of the knife as the handle is just enough for me to grab, but very difficult for someone else to. This is because it's mounted IWB using a Blade-Tech soft loop versus the rigid included G-Code hook. This also means its behind my duty belt (and glove pouch) so it's further concealed from anyone but me. In addition I wear an external carrier which sits just above the duty belt. But since Mr. Murphy is looking for ankle carry a push dagger might be the better way to go.

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Yeah, external carriers are optional but i prefer not at this point.  2nd gun is on the vest, the knife is lightweight enough ankle should not be an issue.

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So low speed, i'm in Park.

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I wear the SOB push dagger tucked behind my mag pouch. The handle barely sticks out and I can get a full grip on it. Whilst I haven't had any formal blade training, I've been pacticing drawing it when it gets slow on shift. My organization is very strict on uniforms, and none of the brass have seemed to notice the handle tucked away behind my mags. 

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When I worked uniform (concealed vest) ended up with a TDI clipped onto the trauma plate.  The top of the knife rested about an inch and a half below my uniform shirt, but was easily accessed high on the neckline in a clench.   I wore a CRKT obake dummy corded to my inner belt at a severe cant such that it only protruded about an inch over the top of my duty belt, which concealed really well behind my double mag pouch.  Both knives accessible either handed, one high and one low.    For my setup, the Obake concealed much better than the TDI on the beltline.  

montgomerygentryFan posted:

I'll try and get a picture to show you how little the handle sticks out past the duty belt. Not sure if you wear an external carrier, but if you do that will conceal it even more. It's easy enough for me to grab on to yet, it would be difficult for the bad guy to just try and get hands on. If they did tried it would be an overt violation of Rule 4 and I would be onto them before that.

Try look at the Osprey DUCK knife, not much bigger than a SF EB1, has a finger loop and tanto blade. I originally bought it as a neck knife, but later mounted to my duty belt. I replaced it with the Colonel blade due to being told the color did not match my uniform.

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Can you direct me to where I can find this?

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I'm using Benchmade's SOCP centerline on my external vest. Minimal training is required for usage. Its for stabby stabby as a last resort.

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I carried a Benchmade 175 CBK as a backup centerline on my Army kit in A'stan.  You can't get much simpler/lighter in a push setup.

I found a decent review: http://thinblueflorida.com/?p=2249

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That one is the primary contender once i get cash.

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Training is brief. Death is forever. PAY ATTENTION.

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While not truly a push dagger but designed for punching, I went with the low vis Colonel from Colonelblades.com.

I had it ceracoated in a color close to my uniform shirt and wear it behind my magazine pouches. The black color (Benchmade, kabar-tdi, Colonel, spartan blades, etc) may not be obvious on a dark blue or black uniform shirt. However, on a tan shirt they stand out like a sore thumb. 

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I had a Cold Steel Urban Skinner way back before they got PC with what they call it. And I just sold a newer one that is now named the Safe Keeper III in the HESM.

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Ive got the SOB wear it in ACUs next to the belt buckle under my blouse.  Cant carry at work so its that or nothing.  Very light weight.  If money isnt an issue Winkler Knives makes a pushdagger that looks pretty nice.  Ive got one of his axes and its top notch quality.

https://winklerknives.com/coll...ariant=4218832257047

 

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