Gen3 Pvs7’s D’s. These are the Auto-Gated version. Mx10130D/UV tubes.  Blem free.

I have a Gen III PVS-14.  Would these be useful for the Hunt of the Pig.  Or is FOV too narrow?  Thanks!

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I tend to gravitate towards the PVS-14 GIII you  have. It gives you better mounting options, leaves one eye open for a degree of unaided peripheral vision, is lighter, weapon montable in the rare event you would want that, etc.

If you are going to add to the fleet, look into either a white phosphorus tube, or picking up a set of dual tubes from TNVC.

NVG is very useful for hunting at night. The giggle factor is immense, especially if you are hunting animals that have not been exposed to humans at 0300.

DISCLAIMER:  I am not an expert!!  That being acknowledged I will still offer my 2 cents.

Personally I would not go the PVS7 route. My thinking is why cover BOTH eyes (reduce SA) for a mono result? You already have a PVS-14 that provides a monocular field of view and still have one eye free and adjusted for the natural environment.

A step up - and, yes I am contemplating this, is a move from the 14 to a true Bino which provides a true(r) depth of field and easier movement through obstacles and terrain.  Now you get into Green, White or Thermal. Decisions, decisions!  I don't believe I have enough knowledge to lead you any further down this rabbit hole so I'll just stop here.

For a review of the options go here:  https://tnvc.com/shop/category...t-vision-binoculars/  HINT: I'm leaning toward the TNVC Sentinels as best bang for the buck.

And to deepen the hole even more, I have considered keeping my 14s and getting a true weapon mounted variable NV scope or clip-on device.  We are NOT short of opportunities to spend TOO MUCH on NV gear.

RD

EDITED TO ADD:  Well fuck. Longeye beat me to it. But … it does make me feel I'm not too far off since we seem to agree.  

 

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Well then, there we go.  The price was exceptionally exceptional given the quality of the tube.  Maybe TOO exceptional.  I would have more homework to do but I'm good now.  PVS-14 and my Crye Nightcap.  GTG.  Thanks as always.

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Only reason to buy 7's in this day and age is if you can 100% flip them for a higher price to fund white phos binocular NODS...

"I came here for one reason: to attack and keep coming.- Ultimate Warrior

 

"Americans don't deserve America." - Timmy

On the other hand, if the price was "teh awesome", you could buy the PVS 7's, send both units to Night Vision Depot and have them swap the tubes between the units. Then turn around and flip the -7 with the older less awesome tube to somebody who got their lunch money stolen frequently as a child.

You might even make a buck on the whole sordid business.

I bought a set of 7s from someone here IIRC...all I know is Clynch said it was a good tube.

I thought the Army kept some 7s in every unit for the few people that couldn't handle the differing input to their eyes that comes with a monotube. Chuck...Basicload spoke of it. I know one or two relatively switched on guys that were either preferred the 7, or at least wasn't bothered by them, specifically for the single image to the brain.

BTW, any know where I can get a set of 7s fixed...one eyepiece wont focus

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If I can't have dual's then I actually prefer the 7's over the 14's for driving a vic, driving with one eye gets old real quick.... Alas, the Marine Corps has not retained any and I bat about a 50 percent average with them letting me use my Sentinels for work... soon hopefully we will start getting Duals into the Rifle Bn's.

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R.Moran posted:

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I thought the Army kept some 7s in every unit for the few people that couldn't handle the differing input to their eyes that comes with a monotube. Chuck...

I have heard since then that they are going to true binoculars (not sure which) but regardless, totally true some people have non-coincidental vision and cannot use the monocular well, at all. 

7s are not bad at all. Have used them plenty, and the better mount was a hell of a step up from the 5s (which were optically awesome) but I wouldn't use them if I had a monocular these days. 

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Go figure, when I was a young Pvt we had 4's and 5's....as I remember they both sucked...I couldn't see anything but green...or maybe a glow if someone lit a cig.

Longeye,

 Thanks when I get around to it, I'll give them a shout. I know TNVC has the back plate for about $250...

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The -Ds were the best to get if you had to use 7s.  They do not give good depth perception, even if using the technique of one eye focused close and one far.

They really aren't good enough to use for driving.  I damn near fired a warrant officer (famous for the role a character played him in the movie Blackhawk Down) for crashing a Humvee we had borrowed from HHC into a concrete fence post.

In a CQB apparatus I was wearing 7Ds when I ran head-long into a wall at a 90-degree turn.  I saw stars and damn-near passed out.  My bud on the cat-walk overhead was laughing so hard I though he was going to pee himself.

For field work like hunting and killing, in my perfect world I'd have binocular vision with fused image intensification (for positive identification clarity and IR laser aiming) and thermal (for acquiring). 

Sinister posted:

... They do not give good depth perception, even if using the technique of one eye focused close and one far...

7s are single tube so what do you mean here? 

 

Sinister posted:

They really aren't good enough to use for driving.  I damn near fired a warrant officer (famous for the role a character played him in the movie Blackhawk Down) for crashing a Humvee we had borrowed from HHC into a concrete fence post...

7s in an M880 (not mine) are one reason I got really into monoculars. I am doing fine one fine night, probably getting to the point I have driven so much I am complacent even with the lack of depth. Round a corner from the dark range, and (slightly distant) streetlights which I should have known was coming up. Slightly glared out I cannot see clearly enough, the road becomes suddenly bouncy then Very Bouncy then Gonna Die. 

Stomp on the brakes and the truck stops pointed 30° downhill. Get out, and I am on an embankment off an intersecting road. Luckily it ends in a couple more feet so I crawl out, but it would have been bad to go 3 more feet at speed. And, I find i have threaded a spot between a T-post and a telephone pole. I mean, 6" on each side of the truck. Somehow. 

That was close enough to disaster to make me a lot more careful with the 7s while driving. Then, to fucking stop driving with them at all. 

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R.Moran posted:


I thought the Army kept some 7s in every unit for the few people that couldn't handle the differing input to their eyes that comes with a monotube.

We  kept the 7’s because they were paid for. Before I left that field we were issuing new PVS-14’s to units that needed NVG’s, and turning in 7B’s . As I recall the 7D’s were not being removed from MTOEs at the time because ENVG had just started to be field.

 Then through some BOIP foolery the ENVGs got documented when they started fielding the ENVG and 14’s were deleted. They needed to rewrite the PVS-14 BOIP, but had not done so so the 7 was still on the MTOE. Practically when I was able to run the numbers a few years ago there was no reason to have ANY 7’s on hand inside a BCT.

bottom line the eye issue was not why 7’s are still in hand in units.

MickFury posted:

Only reason to buy 7's in this day and age is if you can 100% flip them for a higher price to fund white phos binocular NODS...

How's $1400 for them just as I described?

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Thanks gentlemen.   Perhaps a more modern   -14 some day. 

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