FrankDrebbin posted:
Pat_E posted:

Here's a topic related question for you guys:

Are any of you using blacked out/non-tritium/no glowing element suppressor height sights on your RDS equipped pistols?  Any thoughts on that for CCW pistols?  I have WMLs, but wonder just how much traditional 'night sights' are still seen as needed as they were before widespread use of WMLs.

I run blacked out Ameriglos with my ACRO.  I’ve never gotten the institutional LE boner for tritium, especially the three dot variety.  I got into a discussion just yesterday about the validity of duty use fiber optic fronts (without a MRDS). I posited that we’re in the industry of identifying a threat (via white light or ambient) prior to sending rounds down range.  When doing so, FO will light up - and if it doesn’t, just do what people did in the days before we *had* to line up three dots. Three glowing dots do nothing to help me discern whether a shot needs to be placed, or not.

Couldn't agree more. Spot on.

Anyone have any systemically bad issues with the Holosun units? I understand that they have developed quite the following for those who have tested them in depth.

Currently we are allowing the DPP and the RMR for duty use, nothing else yet. Officers who want them have to purchase their own. We are in the process of evaluating adding more units to the authorized list and I would like to give the officers a less expensive option if it doesn't compromise reliability.

I'm personally interested in the Holosun due to the EoTech like circle dot...as I said in another thread, as I have gotten older (my eyes along with me), I find myself much faster (on a rifle) with that particular pattern rather than a standard dot. Is the same likely here or are there issues anyone that has had significant experience with them sees?

I know that Cowan and Fisher seem to like the Holosun and place it in the upper tier of MRDS for duty. Just was looking for any negatives that plague the brand. Anyone can have a bad unit, just looking for thoughts pro or con in general.

Finally, anyone know of LAPDs results in their testing? I keep hearing rumors but can't put a finger on a report and I don't know anyone who is involved in the process for them to ask.

I have 8 units and a pre production gen 2 507c  combined i have. Close to 35k odd rounds between my own shooting and students use 

 

i had one 508t that had an Windage adjuster get bound up in fairness it was a show floor sample.    Sent it back it’s been good as new 

i have had less issues with Holosun’s than rmr and delta point units. 

holosun is on my current carry guns 

Steve has more pistol RDS experience than anyone I know. I trust his advice. 

My holosun experience is only with 4 or 5 T1 type sights on rifles. Zero problems and the reticle is better than the eotech with my old/astigmatism eyes. I’ve actually grown fond of the ‘shake to wake’ feature too; it reminds me of how I thought key fobs that unlock car doors were silly until I got a car with them.

I only have experience with the T1 types on a carbine but it is pretty quick. I suspect they’d be fine coming on with a draw but would wait to here from someone with hands on.

Erick posted:
Jmacken37 posted:

 I’ve actually grown fond of the ‘shake to wake’ feature too;

Going from the holster to on target at any sort of speed - is it "awake" by then?

Yes. I have had zero issues with the shake awake feature. I have 2 507c’s and a 407. While I don’t have the round counts on them Steve Fischer does, I have been impressed. 

Yodax109 posted:

Casey- What was the turnaround time with Primary Machine? Happy with the work? 

Sorry, haven't been too active here lately.  Placed my order with Primary Machine on July 14, shipped my slide about a week later, and it shipped out from PM on August 14.  Very satisfied with the turnaround time, and the quality has been excellent so far—I've got about 4,500 rounds through it with no issues.

Big B posted:
Erick posted:
Jmacken37 posted:

 I’ve actually grown fond of the ‘shake to wake’ feature too;

Going from the holster to on target at any sort of speed - is it "awake" by then?

Yes. I have had zero issues with the shake awake feature. I have 2 507c’s and a 407. While I don’t have the round counts on them Steve Fischer does, I have been impressed. 

I highly doubt it ever actually goes to "sleep" while riding your hip in a holster.

I did scratch my curiosity itch before I mounted mine:  I set it on my desk and let it go to "sleep" and then gave it the ever so slightest nudge and it turned on quickly.. like real quick/ instantaneously.  I actually got a video of it and sent it to a few buddies to show just how quick.  I ran the experiment a few times with the same result each time.

9917D758-34E7-4F92-9827-5D4EDD4511EE

New off duty blaster read to go. It’s a f’in laser beam. That’s a G19.5 with serrations and no moon cut on the grip. It is not an MOS. Sent to ATEi for a pro cut. 

I actually chased my UPS truck down before they could deliver it so I could get it to the range and qual with it. Of all days it was a sub driver who thought I was crazy. My usual guy would have called me first thing to arrange it (he’s done it before...and got a 6 pack for Christmas). 

Attachments

Images (1)
ggammell posted:

9917D758-34E7-4F92-9827-5D4EDD4511EE

New off duty blaster read to go. It’s a f’in laser beam. That’s a G19.5 with serrations and no moon cut on the grip. It is not an MOS. Sent to ATEi for a pro cut. 

I actually chased my UPS truck down before they could deliver it so I could get it to the range and qual with it. Of all days it was a sub driver who thought I was crazy. My usual guy would have called me first thing to arrange it (he’s done it before...and got a 6 pack for Christmas). 

Great light and package for CCW. 

The holster I ordered 5 or so months ago was waiting for me when I got back from USPSA Nationals from Strohman!
928F31AC-B769-45D6-8997-C2721EA3DD2D

It is (I believe) of the most current run of 6395RDS from Safariland (6395RDS-832-561) and fits a Glock w an Aimpoint ACRO with no modification (it’s not a listed optic on the label but Joe said this is the one...). The Cheeto guard even closes! I also confirmed that a G19 & G45 fit with and without a light, although there is about 1/4” up and down movement in the holster? Not sure why because the trigger guard and ejection port are in the same relative place on all of them. I put a decent amount of pressure (up & down & twisting) on them trying to get them to release without using the release but they stayed in place. 
2E48666A-43C0-447F-AAE2-72D2B6F44EF8
77D46A37-45BA-469B-A32C-A3E0AFF4814A

Attachments

Images (3)

After messing around with this today a bit more I’ve found that my “Nub Mod” add on button (super awesome BTW) does not interface with this holster well and causes a bit of sluggishness on the ALS button. Not a big deal, just a data point and I put it back on the 7TS series it was on before and took a knife to the ALS button and added serrations like I’ve been doing on my duty holsters for years for extra traction.

I also found that this holster doesn’t like guns without lights on it as much as the 7TS (light bearing) I have. They fit fine and lock into place but are kind of loose and can twist a lot. Again, not a big deal just another data point. I will be using the 7TS for 3 gun stuff as the division I shoot does not allow for dots on pistols any ways and depending on who is putting it on may or may not allow for WMLs.

At any rate the Safariland RDS series is awesome but not quite a “do all” holster (not that it is supposed to be) allowing for multiple size guns with or without Dots and WMLs as you see fit, but seems to be perfect for what it was designed to be. (A note, it does fit Guns with / without Dots exactly the same, it just really wants a light to be on there...). 

ETA: Mojo, call or email Joe at Strohman IND. and tell him what you need...he is a wizard with Safariland model #’s. I just told him what gun I had, what was on it, what color I wanted and he did the rest. 

Last edited by Community Member

Forgot to say that on mine: I thought newer Safariland holsters had pre-extended levers or something, but found I needed the nub mod. And, mine fit just fine, no issues. Well, except I couldn't get to it so had to take the holster halfway apart as third time to install it.

Works great in practice, also. Weird it's inconsistent. 

Dorsai posted:

We had a discussion similar to this on another thread.  If you have a WML, the tritium sights are generally unnecessary.  ...

...Pay attention to the 2nd sentence above.  When the gun has a WML. 

That may be one of the most discussed  topics about sights. I just guess in many cases if you see the target you won't see the tritium.

scott oldham posted:

Anyone have any systemically bad issues with the Holosun units? I understand that they have developed quite the following for those who have tested them in depth.

Currently we are allowing the DPP and the RMR for duty use, nothing else yet. Officers who want them have to purchase their own. We are in the process of evaluating adding more units to the authorized list and I would like to give the officers a less expensive option if it doesn't compromise reliability.

I'm personally interested in the Holosun due to the EoTech like circle dot...as I said in another thread, as I have gotten older (my eyes along with me), I find myself much faster (on a rifle) with that particular pattern rather than a standard dot. Is the same likely here or are there issues anyone that has had significant experience with them sees?

I know that Cowan and Fisher seem to like the Holosun and place it in the upper tier of MRDS for duty. Just was looking for any negatives that plague the brand. Anyone can have a bad unit, just looking for thoughts pro or con in general.

Finally, anyone know of LAPDs results in their testing? I keep hearing rumors but can't put a finger on a report and I don't know anyone who is involved in the process for them to ask.

I use a 407 on one of my slides, no issues mechanically, but for some reason I pick it up weird. It's almost like the edges are slightly magnified and it messes with my eyes/brain.

I shoot it almost as well as my ACRO, great glass and crisp dot, it just takes me an extra second to pick the dot up.

For reference I also shoot DPPs, RMRs, Romeos and an ACRO, all on P320 X5 lower with different slides.

The thing I really like about the 407/507 is the user adjustability. I turned off the auto-adjust and shake awake. On the 507 you can also toggle the reticle. So if you end up not liking the eotech reticle you can switch to just the dot. 

At this point in my use and testing I'd go ACRO>407/507>DPP>RMR>Romeo

scsu74 posted:

 

The thing I really like about the 407/507 is the user adjustability. I turned off the auto-adjust and shake awake. On the 507 you can also toggle the reticle. So if you end up not liking the eotech reticle you can switch to just the dot. 

You can do that on the 407 too.

EzGoingKev posted:

FYI - Target Sports USA has Speer LE Gold Dot ammo on sale for 50% off until Saturday, November 23rd.

Thanks for the heads up. My credit card hates you, tho. 

Beren412 posted:
scsu74 posted:

 

The thing I really like about the 407/507 is the user adjustability. I turned off the auto-adjust and shake awake. On the 507 you can also toggle the reticle. So if you end up not liking the eotech reticle you can switch to just the dot. 

You can do that on the 407 too.

Yep! Sorry, meant on all the Holosun models

TheTick posted:
Big B posted:
Erick posted:
Jmacken37 posted:

 I’ve actually grown fond of the ‘shake to wake’ feature too;

Going from the holster to on target at any sort of speed - is it "awake" by then?

Yes. I have had zero issues with the shake awake feature. I have 2 507c’s and a 407. While I don’t have the round counts on them Steve Fischer does, I have been impressed. 

I highly doubt it ever actually goes to "sleep" while riding your hip in a holster.

I did scratch my curiosity itch before I mounted mine:  I set it on my desk and let it go to "sleep" and then gave it the ever so slightest nudge and it turned on quickly.. like real quick/ instantaneously.  I actually got a video of it and sent it to a few buddies to show just how quick.  I ran the experiment a few times with the same result each time.

Just confirming that the “shake-awake” models never actually go to sleep while riding in your holster. I kept looking down all day while driving, standing, picking my nose, etc and it was on the whole time. This obviously includes when I pulled it on the range.

I also further experimented with the sensitivity by putting in an a holster and laying it on a counter. I then simply let a hammer fist drop on the counter and it turned on.

As I’ve now pretty much got the hang of finding the dot on presentation, there will be no going back. It’s a absolute game-changer.  Guys that talk shit on it either are doing it wrong or not spending enough time cleaning up their presentation. 

Last edited by Community Member

So the next iteration should have an adjustable sensitivity level. To the point that it takes a deliberate draw stroke motion or bringing it up from low ready, to wake it up. 

MOJONIXON posted:

So the next iteration should have an adjustable sensitivity level. To the point that it takes a deliberate draw stroke motion or bringing it up from low ready, to wake it up. 

I think this is what everyone that carries it for work is trying to avoid actually.  One of the reasons some guys have been reluctant to jump from other dots is that the Holosun has the “shake awake” and others are constant on.  The closest to be constant on, the better with still having it go to sleep while inside my locker at the PD.

I believe you can turn it off on the Holosun, but I’m not going to bother. I’m impressed with it. 

MOJONIXON posted:

So the next iteration should have an adjustable sensitivity level. To the point that it takes a deliberate draw stroke motion or bringing it up from low ready, to wake it up. 

I would prefer the default to be more likely to turn on rather than less.

Longeye posted:
MOJONIXON posted:

So the next iteration should have an adjustable sensitivity level. To the point that it takes a deliberate draw stroke motion or bringing it up from low ready, to wake it up. 

I would prefer the default to be more likely to turn on rather than less.

^^^this^^^

shadow93 posted:

I'd rather change the battery every 6 months than dick around with if it is going to come on or not when I draw it from the holster.

Exactly, that's why I turn it off. Same with auto-brightness. I don't want something guessing for me, whether it be when to turn on or at what brightness.

I'm more and more impressed with my ACRO after the big internet scare of the battery lasting a day or two. I just cracked 6 months on the original battery with my daily carry pistol that I leave at setting 7 when using. I turn it off when off body fwiw.

scsu74 posted:

I'm more and more impressed with my ACRO after the big internet scare of the battery lasting a day or two. I just cracked 6 months on the original battery with my daily carry pistol that I leave at setting 7 when using. I turn it off when off body fwiw.

Do you guys find firing the gun effects the battery life?

EzGoingKev posted:
scsu74 posted:

I'm more and more impressed with my ACRO after the big internet scare of the battery lasting a day or two. I just cracked 6 months on the original battery with my daily carry pistol that I leave at setting 7 when using. I turn it off when off body fwiw.

Do you guys find firing the gun effects the battery life?

No

EzGoingKev posted:
scsu74 posted:

I'm more and more impressed with my ACRO after the big internet scare of the battery lasting a day or two. I just cracked 6 months on the original battery with my daily carry pistol that I leave at setting 7 when using. I turn it off when off body fwiw.

Do you guys find firing the gun effects the battery life?

I'm still on the original battery, so can't say. I have used it for two pistol classes and shoot the shit out of it on my training lower. Nice thing about the 320 is mix and match slides. I have 4 different slides with various optics (407, ACRO, DPP x 2) and use the same X5 lower portion.

scsu74 posted:
EzGoingKev posted:
scsu74 posted:

I'm more and more impressed with my ACRO after the big internet scare of the battery lasting a day or two. I just cracked 6 months on the original battery with my daily carry pistol that I leave at setting 7 when using. I turn it off when off body fwiw.

Do you guys find firing the gun effects the battery life?

I'm still on the original battery, so can't say. I have used it for two pistol classes and shoot the shit out of it on my training lower. Nice thing about the 320 is mix and match slides. I have 4 different slides with various optics (407, ACRO, DPP x 2) and use the same X5 lower portion.

SCSU74 you mind sharing a pic. of that group w/ the X5 lower?

Can anyone confirm if the Safariland 6395RDS' are in fact different depending on which optic you choose during check out?  Or is it like WML's and multiple lights fight the same holster?

 I would like to get a duty holster for personal use with my own Glock w/ RMR to practice prior to my department allowing RDO's for everyone.  Though, at this time I am unsure which RDO's will be approved, so I would like a holster that will work for RMR, DPP, etc. 

68WhiskeyNCoke posted:

Can anyone confirm if the Safariland 6395RDS' are in fact different depending on which optic you choose during check out?  Or is it like WML's and multiple lights fight the same holster?

 I would like to get a duty holster for personal use with my own Glock w/ RMR to practice prior to my department allowing RDO's for everyone.  Though, at this time I am unsure which RDO's will be approved, so I would like a holster that will work for RMR, DPP, etc. 

My 6390's and 6360's all fit the RMR, Holosun's, and DPP's that I have. No issues at all. 

I know some folks have complained about the battery caps being kinda finicky to take on and off, due to the softness of the aluminum. Something I found out recently was that the Aimpoint Micro tool's elevation/windage adjustment part (the two little plastic nubs) fits beautifully in the screwdriver slots, and since it's plastic, doesn't gouge the metal.

Add Reply

Post
Copyright Lightfighter Tactical Forum 2002-2020
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×