Red Dot Sights for Handguns

As 556223 states, the difference in the price that I paid is due to state tax.

My bad for not making that clear. 

I do not fault Trijicon in any way, and I have only good things to say about them, from all my involvements with them over the years, and am grateful for them extending this program to instructors. 

Pretty much all of the well known makers do them. The Raven "Perun" would probably fill the bill, but I have moved to JM Custom for most of my needs, and I have been very impressed by Black Point Tactical. I bought several of their holsters on my former agency's dime for folks issued a Shield. 100% positive feedback from the end users. They generally stock common items and do special orders. They have the fastest turnaround time of any kydex bender i have ordered from.

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Is that a mounting plate for an MOS pistol, or has that been milled?  It seems like a complicated mounting design, but I'm sure aimpoint has it figured out.  My only complaint with this, and perhaps it is just the fact it's different, is the "tunneling" effect with this style of aimpoint optic on a pistol.   I think this is where the RMR, and DPP really shine is it appears to maintain more ability for situational awareness without a full "tube" to look through.  

Truthfully, I am hoping that with all the RDS capable pistols coming out, and with a number of police depts and military units acquiring and authorizing them for use, there will be a push made to provide commonality with regards to the footprint and mounting solution.  This would provide the most options for the end-user and make manufacturing simpler for both firearms manufacturerers as well as those in the aftermarket milling marketplace.  

The MOS and the mounting plates provided is a great stop-gap, intermediate solution, but i think it's time to take it to the next level.  I know it will incur a lot more R&D on the optic manufacturers behalf, but ultimately it will be best for business and end-user interface.  

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Aaron Cowan just showed off an Agency built alternative to the MOS that looks like it's more solid and lower profile than MOS while still being multi-optics compatible. Might be worth looking into if you want an alternative to MOS without getting married to a single optic.

I have 2 RMRed Glocks and I just bought a DPP to go on my pre-ordered M17. Price was $285 from Leupold VIP and another $44 for the BUIS.

tcba_joe posted:

Aaron Cowan just showed off an Agency built alternative to the MOS that looks like it's more solid and lower profile than MOS while still being multi-optics compatible. Might be worth looking into if you want an alternative to MOS without getting married to a single optic.

I have 2 RMRed Glocks and I just bought a DPP to go on my pre-ordered M17. Price was $285 from Leupold VIP and another $44 for the BUIS.

Agency's AOS system does look pretty awesome, sadly only for Glock. In regards to your DPP, another option for the rear sight is from galloway, it's an insert that has the same size window as Leupold's rear iron. They charge $9 shipped and they have been great on mine. While researching the optic I came across a few cases of the rear iron moving around under recoil due to the small screws that secure it.

In Valor There Is Hope

bjw182005 posted:

Is that a mounting plate for an MOS pistol, or has that been milled?  It seems like a complicated mounting design, but I'm sure aimpoint has it figured out.  My only complaint with this, and perhaps it is just the fact it's different, is the "tunneling" effect with this style of aimpoint optic on a pistol.   I think this is where the RMR, and DPP really shine is it appears to maintain more ability for situational awareness without a full "tube" to look through.  

Truthfully, I am hoping that with all the RDS capable pistols coming out, and with a number of police depts and military units acquiring and authorizing them for use, there will be a push made to provide commonality with regards to the footprint and mounting solution.  This would provide the most options for the end-user and make manufacturing simpler for both firearms manufacturerers as well as those in the aftermarket milling marketplace.  

The MOS and the mounting plates provided is a great stop-gap, intermediate solution, but i think it's time to take it to the next level.  I know it will incur a lot more R&D on the optic manufacturers behalf, but ultimately it will be best for business and end-user interface.  

I think it will be the best thing for the industry as a whole. As large departments start using them deficiencies will be found and the companies will be able to make their products better. 

In Valor There Is Hope

scsu74 posted:

Agency's AOS system does look pretty awesome, sadly only for Glock. 

I asked Agency about that and got a different answer. They said they'll be doing other platforms. 
Unity has generated a version of the Atom for the M&Ps, look at DocGKR's guns. However they choose to not go commercial with it. In spite of all the Unity stuff I have, I'll follow Agency when they release the M&P version. 

Erick posted:
scsu74 posted:

Agency's AOS system does look pretty awesome, sadly only for Glock. 

I asked Agency about that and got a different answer. They said they'll be doing other platforms. 
Unity has generated a version of the Atom for the M&Ps, look at DocGKR's guns. However they choose to not go commercial with it. In spite of all the Unity stuff I have, I'll follow Agency when they release the M&P version. 

Well that's good news! I emailed them about the AOS as it seems like an awesome solution to get an RMR on my x5. If they have an AOS plate for a delta point, I could use their plate with included dove tail to get an RMR on my gun... Their brief reply was, " We only work on Glocks."

In Valor There Is Hope

scsu74 posted:
bjw182005 posted:

...I am hoping that...there will be a push made to provide commonality with regards to the footprint and mounting solution.  This would provide the most options for the end-user and make manufacturing simpler for both firearms manufacturerers as well as those in the aftermarket milling marketplace....

I think it will be the best thing for the industry as a whole. As large departments start using them deficiencies will be found and the companies will be able to make their products better. 

Do we think this is likely to actually happen? I also see how it would be awesome, but I don't see industry doing it themselves. Industry likes the App Store model. They think a unique, vertically-integrated ecosystem gives them the most profit as it locks people in. They explicitly do not want general compatibility with other's products, at all. 

You can see it in competing rail keyway specs. Think of early WML compatibility and how HK still makes a weird light attachment for some of their handgun dustcovers. 

My biggest hope is that someone in this thread (maybe lurking) has a desk next to the purchasing guy for some unit, agency, department, etc. and can keep putting that idea in his head. Without that push we're gonna be relying on market forces and it will settle down... eventually, and to probably 2-3 standards but one? Might take 20 years for that to happen if ever. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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scsu74 posted:
tcba_joe posted:

Aaron Cowan just showed off an Agency built alternative to the MOS that looks like it's more solid and lower profile than MOS while still being multi-optics compatible. Might be worth looking into if you want an alternative to MOS without getting married to a single optic.

I have 2 RMRed Glocks and I just bought a DPP to go on my pre-ordered M17. Price was $285 from Leupold VIP and another $44 for the BUIS.

Agency's AOS system does look pretty awesome, sadly only for Glock. In regards to your DPP, another option for the rear sight is from galloway, it's an insert that has the same size window as Leupold's rear iron. They charge $9 shipped and they have been great on mine. While researching the optic I came across a few cases of the rear iron moving around under recoil due to the small screws that secure it.

I have the DPP inbound with the rear iron ordered and awaiting shipping. But, the Galloway looks interesting and I'll probably order it as well.

More importantly, I've been hearing conflicting information from SIG reps whether the commercial series M17s will be cut exactly the same as the military guns, or if they'll be Romeo cut which is apparently 2mm different. Because they want to force the Romeo sights down our throats orome crap... (Romeo will fit DPP cuts, but DPPs won't fit Romeo cuts without modification) . Guess I'll find out when I pick it up.

This thing got announced over a year ago, and seems to be at some euro dealers (this is from a German dealer, who clearly took their own photos so they have at least ONE and say it is in stock, in clearly production packaging as that is really similar to their other boxes but has foil printing so cannot be done one-off), but is not yet in the US. I have asked Mepro, have nothing but that it is definitely not cancelled, is coming "this year"

Anyway, it's a replacement set of tritium sights, with the rear having a mounting rail and set screw. Aimpoint makes something like this for mounting the T2 IIRC: 

The sight is normal MRDS layout, but buttons on the side. Big ones...

And attaches with a big lever on the right. Screw on the left presumably works like all their rifle sized RDS, allows changing tension to fit the mount rail

I am sure you can get used to the sight picture, but it's not the slickest thing ever. Protruding controls, and that rail lever is odd since their full size RDS has quite amazingly non-protruding levers. 

I want to see the "version 2" with slicker controls, and a smaller rail lever. Bet they could drop the sight window down also, get cleverer about the overall packaging. 

But I am interesting in how you can dump the sight if needed. Both easier to replace at the armory, and is interesting to see that it goes with the mindset of rifle RDS: it is reliable, so use it and have the marginal ability to ditch and go to irons if you really, really have an issue.  

I am not sure Mepro makes projects like this for the hell of it. Not sure they have done anything electronic without an IDF requirement. So, wonder what that req sheet looks like and why, even if not adopted. 

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Anyone use a T1 with a Unity slide? I already have A Unity gen4 G19 slide for my G23. I have a T1 not on a Rifle that I will be retrieving in a few days.  I want a Trijicon RMR gen2 06 but I have this right now vice trying to grab other stuff since this will be a fun gun for a bit.  

 

Spacetaco posted:

Anyone use a T1 with a Unity slide? I already have A Unity gen4 G19 slide for my G23. I have a T1 not on a Rifle that I will be retrieving in a few days.  I want a Trijicon RMR gen2 06 but I have this right now vice trying to grab other stuff since this will be a fun gun for a bit.  

 

I tried that combo myself. I just couldn’t get used to the size/bulk of my H-1 on the Unity slide. I wanted to like it, but it felt “odd” to me.

 

 

 

 

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Spacetaco posted:

Anyone use a T1 with a Unity slide? I already have A Unity gen4 G19 slide for my G23. 

Yes and I like it.

Talked to a former very active member here over the weekend. He used T1 on Glocks for a while. Pro - easier to get the presentation down & pick up the dot because of the tube; Con - the rheostat more often than not would fail at some point down the road.  

Well I will be getting my T1 this weekend and my Surefire threaded barrel so I should be on my way to having something soon.  Just looking for internal parts for the Unity Slide right now. 

Thanks for letting my mind be at rest for this project.  Looking foward to it, now holster options I am seeing a limited selection but will see what happens. 

 

So I went back a few pages and didn't find anything, but, does anyone have any experience with the Dueck Defence RBU? Was scrolling thru the interwebs and came across it as an alternative mounting option sans gunsmithing or mill. 

Because...........Malinois 

stoner01 posted:

So I went back a few pages and didn't find anything, but, does anyone have any experience with the Dueck Defence RBU? Was scrolling thru the interwebs and came across it as an alternative mounting option sans gunsmithing or mill. 

I ran one when I initially started my journey through the RMR. I used it to verify proof of concept for me and it did that well. It was very tight in the rear sight notch. I like the milled slides better because it sits lower and the irons have a real length to them instead of that two inches with the Dueck but that is about the only negative to it that I saw.

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Echo what shadow said above. I am still using one because duty guns cant get milled.  Nothing will beat a properly milled gun, however I’ve had great luck with the dueck mount. It is made well, super tight fit with a set screw for added security. The setup has been getting banged around for about a year and a few thousand rounds and it has never come loose, either in the dovetail or optic itself, and never lost zero. It also still fits in my safariland rdo als/sls holster. 

The iron sights are obviously not going to give you amazing performance however I am still able to make A zone hits at 25yds as long as The dummy behind the gun continues to apply the basic fundamentals of marksmanship. 

Psa: keep a light coating of oil on it as mine has a tendency to get a little surface rust if im not great with my maintenance 

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stoner01 posted:

Appreciate your insight gentlemen. I'll probably try it out on my 17 until i get a 34 and can dedicate it to being mill. Did you guys go with the basic sights or the 2 dot?

They only had black when i got mine

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What are you guys getting for battery life on the Trijicon RM06/07 type 2’s?    

My eye sight has reached a stage where I’m struggling to see my front sight at night when wearing glasses.    I’m toying with the idea of having L&M mounting a RM07 on my night stand MP9.

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L&M milled a G19 for my -07 over a year ago and it's still up and running on original batt.  I left it on in a medium setting just to see how long it lasts.  

Couple of things though.  Some how I got the long screws which protruded into the extractor channel.  Suggest mounting with extractor ass'y removed so you can tell if there's a problem.

Also, the nut for the extended FS interfered with the edge of the cut out in the slide.  It shot loose initially and had to re-tighten it.  Maybe some tolerance stack there, but my slide needed a slight touch of Dremel for the wrench to fit down all the way over the nut on the extended sight.  

I'm not sure how long the batt life is on my Type 1 RMR 06. I change them both every 6 months because batteries are cheap and I rely on both of mine daily for either on duty or off duty carry. 

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SFF posted:

@Senorlechero - 

Regarding the Brownells slide, did they fix the problem of the slide being wider than the Glock factory slide dimensions?

I’m replying a bit late - just catching up with this discussion. The issue was not the width of the Brownells slide, it was the bevel (chamfer?) along the sides of the Brownells slide. The original design did not have enough material taken off to match the clearance of the rounded edges along the tops of the factory Glock sides. This prevented the Brownells slide from fitting in some Glock holsters. Around November 2017, Brownells modified their slides to increase the size of the chamfer, so any slides made after that timeframe should fit Glock holsters. I bought one of their G19 RMR slides a couple months ago and really like it, but I don’t have a holster that will clear the suppressor sights yet, so I can’t test it with mine.

Dave

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