LobsterClaw207 posted:
207 pages long in a week???? In 11 years we've done 72 pages. Good lord that place is busy I guess.  (EDIT: For Fuck's Sake, page 1 of this thread has @Timmy and @KevinB among others, I almost pooped my pants seeing those names. @borebrush , @uspswatcop , @Casket , @ sneakysfdude (doesn't come up) @SPEARboss , @AKFireCop etc etc etc etc etc would've completed the blast from the past)

 

Anybody using an ACRO on duty someplace, did I miss it? Just curious.

"PMRDO? "



Pistol-forum threads only have 10 posts per page, that makes them look longer than they are;

Some good guys in that list;

Fwiw, LAPD is using PMO - Pistol Mounted Optics - rather than RDS, RDO, etc. PMO at least distinguishes from red dots on carbines, subguns, etc.

Confession, I'm lazy. 73 pages is a lot to look through. I have ordered an LWD G19 slide with RMR cut. I also ordered  an  RM-06. Ameriglo tall iron sight will be to rear. Now I'm looking for a holster. Is a 693450 going to work? I've seen mention of needing to need to take a dremel to it (the holster). How much of a mod is it?

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

Definite sample of one ... from the Pistols I Saw Last Week thread:

"The Vortex Venom RDS ran all week. I don’t know if it shifted zero as I don’t know how the shooter had it set-up, however I shot it and made a minor windage adjustment on Wednesday afternoon. It appeared that worked as there weren’t any other issues with it the last two days;"

Not recommending one yet; however it did make it through more rounds in a week than some repaired RMRs I've had, shot, & broke. 

CAE5 posted:

Confession, I'm lazy. 73 pages is a lot to look through. I have ordered an LWD G19 slide with RMR cut. I also ordered  an  RM-06. Ameriglo tall iron sight will be to rear. Now I'm looking for a holster. Is a 693450 going to work? I've seen mention of needing to need to take a dremel to it (the holster). How much of a mod is it?

You want the 6390RDS series now if you don’t want to find an mod a 6354DO. 

“They were two douchebags who met in the normal course of being two douchebags.” - Sully, Third Watch

Erick posted:

Definite sample of one ... from the Pistols I Saw Last Week thread:

"The Vortex Venom RDS ran all week. I don’t know if it shifted zero as I don’t know how the shooter had it set-up, however I shot it and made a minor windage adjustment on Wednesday afternoon. It appeared that worked as there weren’t any other issues with it the last two days;"

Not recommending one yet; however it did make it through more rounds in a week than some repaired RMRs I've had, shot, & broke. 

Another sample of one but I just removed a NIB Venom off my M&P game/training  gun after a year of USPSA & steel matches plus 1 Asian Jedi RDS class & a DB 2 day pistol tuneup.

With 3.5K+ of rounds using it I had zero issues, a few battery changes & only removed it last week to mount a Trij. SRO in it's place. Shot the SRO today in a USPSA match, liked it much so the Venom will 'prolly go in an offset mount w/ my LPVO sim. to the one Jerry showed me today on one of his game rifles.

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ggammell posted:
CAE5 posted:

Confession, I'm lazy. 73 pages is a lot to look through. I have ordered an LWD G19 slide with RMR cut. I also ordered  an  RM-06. Ameriglo tall iron sight will be to rear. Now I'm looking for a holster. Is a 693450 going to work? I've seen mention of needing to need to take a dremel to it (the holster). How much of a mod is it?

You want the 6390RDS series now if you don’t want to find an mod a 6354DO. 

Thank you sir!

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

I like the 6354DO, but it has been replaced by the 6360RDS and 6390RDS. I like all three better than the 7000 series. 

Its been 1 week (7 days) and my ACRO with a Renata cr1255 at setting 8 is still going strong. Since the battery change I’ve only been to the range once and fired around 300 rounds. Most of the time it has been sitting. 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

As an update to my experience with the Aimpoint ACRO,  today, I had to make my first battery change.

 

Before heading out, this morning, I was doing my routine pre-flight make-ready with my carry weapon, when I observed that the ACRO's dot was very dim.

I bumped it up to level 10, and it was still only as bright as it normally is on level 7.

 

This was the factory battery that shipped with the ACRO, and I have run the optic on level 8, continuously, for exactly two months.

 

After swapping  out the battery (I keep a spare set of 2032 and 1225 Energizer brand batteries in my wallet's coin pocket), the brightness was back to normal.

 

So, my conclusion is:    I am going to need to stock up on more 1225s, and just routinely change my ACRO's battery on a regular schedule.

 

This is really kind of disappointing, to me,  because I am so used to all of my other Aimpoint optics running for YEARS on a single battery, and now I am getting only SIXTY DAYS!    

......makes me really appreciate the power conservation that the RMR provides with its auto brightness detection circuitry.

 

Here's hoping that the next generation of ACRO sights has a much improved battery life........

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Erick posted:

Has anyone gone the Atei machining route for the Acro yet? If so, what was the turn-around time?

I have. Right around a month.  A couple days of that was waiting for them to get their shim sights in and install them.

"Hold my beer and watch this"

K.O.A.M. posted:
Erick posted:

Has anyone gone the Atei machining route for the Acro yet? If so, what was the turn-around time?

I have. Right around a month.  A couple days of that was waiting for them to get their shim sights in and install them.

Thank you. 

RyanScott posted:

Why didn’t they have a motion sensing on-off switch?

I’m glad they didn’t, it would be an excluding factor for me (I don’t think that technology is ready for prime time). A monthly battery change is a level of responsibility I’m willing to accept for the feature set the ACRO brings to the table. I’m also hoping Aimpoint’s next generation of PMO’s batterie life is closer in line with their rifle optics. 

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Location: Southern Arizona 

FWIW, my several Mepro M5 things have perfectly operational motion sensing. crazy sensitive, so you cannot breathe on the gun without it turning on, but it seems to save a lot of battery when stationary in the safe, overnight. 

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shoobe01 posted:

...motion sensing... seems to save a lot of battery when stationary in the safe, overnight. 

 

That is precisely what I love about the RMR's automatic brightness control.

 

Since my RMR equipped pistols are, generally, carried concealed, they are in the dark (holstered and covered)  the overwhelming majority of the time.

Because of this, the automatic brightness control keeps the dot very dim, which really extends the battery life.

 

When presenting the weapon, from concealment, the intensity automatically brightens to the appropriate level, before I can even get my eyes onto the dot.

It is a seamless transition that I don't even notice, and I have never had a problem with the intensity level being inappropriate for the shooting conditions.

 

Trijicon seems to have gotten that part of the RMR's design nearly perfect, in my opinion.

 

 

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4Track, are you seeing any issues when using a WML? Or shooting from a dark area into a light one? If I convert to dots completely I’m thinking the RMR is the ticket for my off duty / house guns but would probably go with the 06 (non auto brightness) version. 

Joined: 13AUG2010        

Location: Southern Arizona 

Just got a shipping notice that L&M has finished machining/mounting the ACRO on my M&P !  Range report and pictures to follow.  

Also have a ten pack of batteries, as required. 

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Erick posted:
B0308 posted:

Just got a shipping notice that L&M has finished machining/mounting the ACRO on my M&P !  Range report and pictures to follow.  

Good to see Mark is doing the machining now. I really like the work he'd done for me in the past. 

Agreed as he did a nice job w/ my Shield milling to accept a DP yrs. ago.

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Location: NETX

4track posted:
shoobe01 posted:

...motion sensing... seems to save a lot of battery when stationary in the safe, overnight. 

 

That is precisely what I love about the RMR's automatic brightness control.

 

Since my RMR equipped pistols are, generally, carried concealed, they are in the dark (holstered and covered)  the overwhelming majority of the time.

Because of this, the automatic brightness control keeps the dot very dim, which really extends the battery life.

 

When presenting the weapon, from concealment, the intensity automatically brightens to the appropriate level, before I can even get my eyes onto the dot.

It is a seamless transition that I don't even notice, and I have never had a problem with the intensity level being inappropriate for the shooting conditions.

 

Trijicon seems to have gotten that part of the RMR's design nearly perfect, in my opinion.

 

 

The auto adjust feature is what keeps me from buying the current RMR offering. At least they fixed the programming for their release at SHOT and with the SRO. The auto adjust cannot keep up with a WML (decent ones anyway)

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XTCBX posted:

4Track, are you seeing any issues when using a WML? Or shooting from a dark area into a light one? If I convert to dots completely I’m thinking the RMR is the ticket for my off duty / house guns but would probably go with the 06 (non auto brightness) version. 

the 06 is still an auto version if you don't manually adjust it every 16 hours, PITA, I'd go type 1/SRO or wait for SHOT.

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XTCBX posted:

4Track, are you seeing any issues when using a WML? Or shooting from a dark area into a light one? If I convert to dots completely I’m thinking the RMR is the ticket for my off duty / house guns but would probably go with the 06 (non auto brightness) version. 

Do you mean with RMRs, or the ACRO?

For my eyes, either brand washes out, the instant that my white light is activated,....especially indoors on light colored walls/ceilings.

 

The good news is that, when this happens, my iron sights also suddenly jump into my sight picture (because they contrast black), helping me to take the shot immediately, if I need to.

Otherwise, a moment or two after my white light activates, my eyes and the RMR's auto-brightness both adjust, and the dot becomes visible, again.

 

On the ACRO, there is no auto-adjustment, so that is why I keep mine on level eight constantly.  

For me, it is the best compromise setting:  just bright enough for daylight shooting, even outdoors, and in the dark, it is overly bright, until the weapon light is activated, and then, is is just bright enough.

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Hi all, 

I got my slide back from L&M on Saturday.  Not range time yet, but here is the "first and only ACRO" Mark Housel has done to date (shown with the prior RMR install).  

 

BUIS are higher than I'd like, but so far fit my current holsters and are needed to give you about a lower 1/3 co-witness.  FWIW, the battery I installed on 9 Jun 19, will still work, suppose it was off most of the time.  More on the range report. 

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Thanks MG,

I've got a G17 with a Bar-Sto barrel and RMR 2 and a G19 with a KKM Comp barrel with RMR 6. Both shoot way better than me.  I can carry the (G19 in An RCS Roland Special IWB concealed pretty well and it scary accurate with 124gr ammo. 

But being 0ld School (or just old) a G19 sized M&P mid-size .45 just appeals to me.  Without the SF 300U they can be carried in  JM kydex AIWB well. 

We'll see how the ACRO  shoot, but since Mark did the work, I'm feeling good. 

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" We'll see how the ACRO  shoot, but since Mark did the work, I'm feeling good " 

Will be waiting to get your feedback & agreed re. Mark as he did my Shield years ago for a DP & to date zero issues w/ his work.

Need to get some rounds down range w/ my  ACRO but I liked the SRO & shot better w/ it @ last Sunday's USPSA that I want to run it again this Sat. @ USPSA then 3G Sun. before swapping it out for the ACRO on my M&P game gun.

 

 

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Location: NETX

I've got an SRO here now waiting on my G34 MOS slide to get back from the Agency conversion to the AOS system and then I will be running it in a few USPSA matches as well.  I'm looking forward to seeing if there is noticeable improvement in clarity and dot acquisition.  It looks like it will be a good fit for the role, but I am starting to hear rumblings of some issues with the first run of SRO, such as the dot losing zero under recoil with the elevation and windage turrets moving on their own as well as some power related issues.  I'm hoping the unit i have is good to go.  If not I have no doubt Trijicon will make it right. 

LOCATION: El Paso

Not RDS related but I figure everyone in here are shooters. 

Target Sports USA has Federal HST on sale - 50% off.

I created a new thread in the ballistics forum but I am not sure how many people go in there.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

Range Day Two with the ACRO S&W .45 mid sized.  Boring reliable, another 100 rounds of S&B .45 Ball and a half dozen each of CorBon, Gold Dot and JST 230gr JHP.  The handgun was dead nuts reliable before sight install, no changes. 

The suppressor height BUIS,mthough tall enough to be seen throug the ACRO at about 1/3 co-witness are on target and accurate. 

So far very happy with the install and function. Tried 50 rounds of failure drills and NSRs, all good to go, no problem picking up,the dot and the battery is run, so far. 

Jump,in the water's fine 

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Final initial update, unless something significant to report occurs on the M&P .45 mid-size with the P-1 ACRO. This session I attached the SF300U with DG switch.   

Went to a different range, almost didn't get to the line, as once they knew what I was going to shoot, everyone want to Finger-F it.  .  

Straight diet of 100  S&B 230gr, FMJ, no malfunctions.  First up was slow fire at small bulls at 5, 7, 10 and 15 (beyond 15 I suck mush of the time, don't blame the pistol, at 25, it will punch the X of a B-8 target, so pics of targets later, if worth it) yards.   As one would expect, shot the "X" ring out at five shots at five yards.  Similarly at 7 and 10, all in the black except for one trigger slap that was embarrassingly low.  

Next was fifty rounds on an EAG/TD silhouette,  turning target, 7 yards, 3 seconds exposed.  Went well, though I didn't pick up the dot as quickly as the prior session.  Still good results, any wild shots were me, not the gun or sight.  

Overall, very impressed with the ACRO and the mounting that L&M provided.  I'll keep working on skills and give a 500 round or so update on how the ACRO is riding on the M&P.  

Very happy with the exchange of info, via email, with Mark Housel as the ACRO's hit the wild, if and when he could mill and mount one and great comms throughout the process of shipping to return of final product.  I pretty much gave him an open ticket and he did NOT abuse the privilege.  Good people.  (no I don't get a bonus or kick back for future work).  

Cheers

 

 

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B0308 posted:

Final initial update, unless something significant to report occurs on the M&P .45 mid-size with the P-1 ACRO. This session I attached the SF300U with DG switch.   

Went to a different range, almost didn't get to the line, as once they knew what I was going to shoot, everyone want to Finger-F it.  .  

Straight diet of 100  S&B 230gr, FMJ, no malfunctions.  First up was slow fire at small bulls at 5, 7, 10 and 15 (beyond 15 I suck mush of the time, don't blame the pistol, at 25, it will punch the X of a B-8 target, so pics of targets later, if worth it) yards.   As one would expect, shot the "X" ring out at five shots at five yards.  Similarly at 7 and 10, all in the black except for one trigger slap that was embarrassingly low.  

Next was fifty rounds on an EAG/TD silhouette,  turning target, 7 yards, 3 seconds exposed.  Went well, though I didn't pick up the dot as quickly as the prior session.  Still good results, any wild shots were me, not the gun or sight.  

Overall, very impressed with the ACRO and the mounting that L&M provided.  I'll keep working on skills and give a 500 round or so update on how the ACRO is riding on the M&P.  

Very happy with the exchange of info, via email, with Mark Housel as the ACRO's hit the wild, if and when he could mill and mount one and great comms throughout the process of shipping to return of final product.  I pretty much gave him an open ticket and he did NOT abuse the privilege.  Good people.  (no I don't get a bonus or kick back for future work).  

Cheers

 

 

Mark's a great guy, he's done several pistols for me. He did enough X5 conversions to accept DPP's he added the service to his website

In Valor There Is Hope

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