Beren412 posted:
Punisher10mm posted:

That Holosun 509T doesnt appear to be a viable PMO - unless you dont mind 1 inch tall BUIS?  WTH 

That's showing it mounted to a rail on a plate, on another plate, into a standard rear sight dovetail.  I'm sure an MOS or direct mill installation would be significantly lower.

Understood but the portion of the mount that appears similar to a Pic rail incorporates the profile/height required for mounting the optic. If your slide was able to be milled deep enough for the  mounting plate (which looks deeper than any milled pocket I have ever seen). Your rear sight would still need to extend above the rear portion of the optic which houses the sight adjustment (elevation?) to be visible thru the optic window. The Aimpoint has the adjustments in the housing and the glass extends very low - about level with the slide surface once mounted. The glass on the 509 is high. I am reserving further judgement until someone has one in hand but I still think backups may not be practical.

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Okay... there's 75 pages in here.

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

What are the current duty-use RDSes?

- RMR,Type 2

- Delta Point Pro

- ACRO (if you feel like dealing with the battery life)

- Anyone else?  Sig Romeo1?  Vortex Viper?... I have next to no experience with RDS pistols.

I've read the Sage Dynamics study, but it's a few years old now.

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out.  I either want to have my RDS choice made or bring a few with me to try... preferably Option 1.

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I don’t think the Vortex  options (Viper and Venom) qualify as “Duty” options thought for my very low speed use a Venom is in the mix.  Other than that Type 2 RMR of Acro are your go to choices. Even with the Acro’s known lack of battery life.  Bard in mind this is just s civvies opinion from info I’ve seen on the net.  

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TheTick posted:

Okay... there's 75 pages in here.

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

What are the current duty-use RDSes?

- RMR,Type 2

- Delta Point Pro

- ACRO (if you feel like dealing with the battery life)

- Anyone else?  Sig Romeo1?  Vortex Viper?... I have next to no experience with RDS pistols.

I've read the Sage Dynamics study, but it's a few years old now.

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out.  I either want to have my RDS choice made or bring a few with me to try... preferably Option 1.

Tick I just finished up my 2nd PMO w/ Scott Jedlinski & not speaking for him but based on his input I’d say he will tell you the RMR type 2 is easily 1st for duty but I’m UNC on his 2nd & 3rd choices as he’s not real keen on the batt. life w/ the ACRO & I don’t recall his feelings either way on the DPP.

I can say both Scott & 2 close friends that just returned from the Sig. PMO instructor class, feel that the 3 you mentioned are the only current ones in the discussion for duty rated PMOs. The guys just back from Sig. are looking to intro. their tact. team to the RMR’s w/ a keen eye down the road of rolling that out to patrol.

PM me for Scott’s contact info as I have no doubt he’d be more than happy to discuss this w/ you as would the 2 tact. fellas fresh from Sig., your call mi amigo.

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You’ll enjoy Glock Operator class. Probably nothing you haven’t done before but it’s a good review of basics and a tune up and  it’ll be a good way to become familiar with an RDS equipped pistol. 

I have an RMR06 series 2 on a Glock 34. I’m not carrying it on duty yet. 

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Our Gen 5 G17 MOS are in and we are fully transitioned to them.

Our RDS program will be voluntary - unfortunately, the officer will have to purchase the sight, back up irons, and the corresponding Safariland holster on their own.

I am approving only the Trijicon RMR and the Holosun 507C for duty use.

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High Exposure posted:

Our Gen 5 G17 MOS are in and we are fully transitioned to them.

Our RDS program will be voluntary - unfortunately, the officer will have to purchase the sight, back up irons, and the corresponding Safariland holster on their own.

I am approving only the Trijicon RMR and the Holosun 507C for duty use.

Hmm...  I've debated calling it the RMR only but want to give dudes an option for a sight that doesn't require taking it off to change the battery.

We have to purchase our own RDS, but the PD is springing for the gun (obviously), holster (6360RDS) and a TLR-1hl for every copper and will buy the sights for any guy that puts on an RDS.

Have you guys smashed a 507C yet?

EDIT: watching Sage Dynamics 507C review now...

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TheTick posted:

Okay... there's 75 pages in here.

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

What are the current duty-use RDSes?

- RMR,Type 2

- Delta Point Pro

- ACRO (if you feel like dealing with the battery life)

- Anyone else?  Sig Romeo1?  Vortex Viper?... I have next to no experience with RDS pistols.

I've read the Sage Dynamics study, but it's a few years old now.

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out.  I either want to have my RDS choice made or bring a few with me to try... preferably Option 1.

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

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ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

In the latest MSP podcast Scott talks very positively about the holoson and has at least one large agency that uses them, Yeti also has very positive things to say about the holoson via P&S conversations.  It seems rmr type 2 are pretty much the top of the heap though. 

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Originally Posted by DocGKR:

       
This is why LE in some areas would be better served with belt fed weapons and flame throwers...

       

Joined: 5.23.2009
Location: WA/ Canadian border
Longeye posted:
ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

Correct, sir.. I did see that, but thanks.  Guys definitely need to be aware of the different mounting plate.

I've decided on a RMR Type II, 3.25 MOA for myself and want to make the purchase ASAP so I can get everything on the soon to arrive gun.

Where's currently the cheapest place to grab one?

Thanks.

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TheTick posted:
Longeye posted:
ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

Correct, sir.. I did see that, but thanks.  Guys definitely need to be aware of the different mounting plate.

I've decided on a RMR Type II, 3.25 MOA for myself and want to make the purchase ASAP so I can get everything on the soon to arrive gun.

Where's currently the cheapest place to grab one?

Thanks.

Big Tex Outdoors is always solid. And the best if not close to the best price you’ll get with super sheep shipping. 

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I’m sure your LE discount will get you at least the same discount from big Tex but jedi15 should get you 15% off 

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Originally Posted by DocGKR:

       
This is why LE in some areas would be better served with belt fed weapons and flame throwers...

       

Joined: 5.23.2009
Location: WA/ Canadian border
Longeye posted:
ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

I use the Battlewerx Anti Flicker sealing plate kit $12. It is awesome.

http://www.battlewerx.com/anti...-mounting-kit-black/

Oh? And Ike/Big Texas Outdoors is top notch. Tick, you met Ike when we were at FOP year before last.

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High Exposure posted:
Longeye posted:
ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

I use the Battlewerx Anti Flicker sealing plate kit $12. It is awesome.

http://www.battlewerx.com/anti...-mounting-kit-black/

Oh? And Ike/Big Texas Outdoors is top notch. Tick, you met Ike when we were at FOP year before last.

Per Trijicon, do NOT use an anti flicker sealing plate with a type 2 RMR. 

Jason -------------------------------- "Consumer, how many times have you hankered for vegan mayonnaise only to realize you're not man enough to open the jar?" -- Bucky B. Katt

A couple quick statements

1. The Holosun mini red dots should seriously be looked at. I have a 507C which I have used on a Glock 17, a Ruger PCC 9mm, and even threw it on a 5.56 AR. I have not experienced any problems with it in a little over 2000 rounds combined on the above weapons. No loss of zer and still using the same battery over several months now. 

2. If you can use Duracell batteries do so. I went to the Sage Red Dot Instructors course and he said he has found the most success with that brand. He also said that Duracell batteries are shock isolated batteries. If that's true great if not I wouldn't know. I to have found great success with Duracell batteries. 

3. On setting 8 I am getting 41 days on a Renata brand cr1255 in my ACRO. I have shot it on a 17 MOS enough to say its duty rated in my opinion. Just replace the battery monthly. Battery prices have fluctuated on Amazon. I got my ACRO from Stroman pretty early and found out about the Renata batteries early to. I bought a bunch @ .50 so I am pretty good. I would carry the ACRO on duty right now, but the STI Tactical does not have a plate yet for the ACRO. I have talked to a couple places that could mill and retrofit the STI for the ACRO, but currently that juice is not worth the squeeze.  

4. If I had to list mini red dots in order of my preference and experience it would be:

Trijicon RMR is the gold standard. I use a type 2 currently, but the 1's are perfectly useable

After that the DPP, ACRO, Holosun 507C are all tied for #2

DPP being at the low end and Vortex being below that. 

There is one guy at my PD with a Sig Romeo. I have fired 10-15 rounds with it. Not enough in my opinion to make a comment either way. He is not a shooter so I wouldn't even take his opinion on the matter. Dots on pistols is a 100% voluntary program at my PD. When I mentioned we should probably have some yearly in service for guys choosing to put dots on their pistols I was told a yearly qualification would suffice. I have since offered my program to a local training group that actually pays me (not much, but that wasn't my goal) to teach rich civilians who want to learn the dot.

I have only done two classes, but we got 20 or so students up and running. Im fairly new to the training people game. I started in 2017 at the PD and unless is mandatory training most don't care. Open firearms classes for all the agencies in my area barely get the minimums required. 

A local Cop who recently retired has a small training group and has to turn 5-10 people away from his open enrollment classes. He asked me to teach and I said yes. He then told me he would pay me and get me lunch and I was totally surprised. 

5. A few months ago I bought a Sig 320 PRO in 9mm. Last year we allowed personally owned pistols for patrol. In that time 6 guys bought Sig 320 pistols to carry. I didn't have a 320 and thought as a FI for my department it might behove me to have some time on one to better train the troops. I use that as my excuse, but I wanted to buy another gun. Anyway the PRO is a newer model and is geared to LE. It comes ready to accept the Sig Romeo and the DPP. I sent the slide to Mark at L&M. He offers a few services for the Sig 320's and he drilled and tapped new holes so now in addition to the two already mentioned optics I can now use a RMR. I have also installed a APEX trigger kit so my initial thought of having a training gun similar to the Officers I train has morphed. 

6. I know of one Officer in a different agency using the SRO as a duty optic. He likes it and i'm confident he could still get the job done if it broke and he needed to do work. 

Again these are my opinions and may very from yours. Im just passing on information.  

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Beren412 posted:
High Exposure posted:
Longeye posted:
ggammell posted:
TheTick posted:

We are going to G17MOS Gen5 duty pistols.  Period.  The End.

- RMR,Type 2

 

I've been informed that I'm leading the charge and will be getting the first gun and also be getting sent to Glock Operator's School to ring the gun out. 

Do yourself and your agency a favor and get high strength screws to mount the plate to the slide.  The ones glock uses suck ass.  They are like $20 for a bag of 100 screws.

So to clarify:
Via Trijicons page on RMR Type II
Note: If selecting an RMR for mounting
on the Glock® MOS system or the new
Springfield® OSP pistol, a Trijicon RMR®
Mounting kit (AC32064) is required.

Link:
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en...uct3.php?pid=AC32064

The kits are $19 each...

I use the Battlewerx Anti Flicker sealing plate kit $12. It is awesome.

http://www.battlewerx.com/anti...-mounting-kit-black/

Oh? And Ike/Big Texas Outdoors is top notch. Tick, you met Ike when we were at FOP year before last.

Per Trijicon, do NOT use an anti flicker sealing plate with a type 2 RMR. 

Yep, this. Just to add: anti-flicker sealing plates should only be used with the Type 1 RMR, but you can (and IMO, should) use the regular sealing plate for the Type 2 RMR. Sure it's a bit pricey for a little piece of metal, but it's cheap insurance on a relatively expensive optic that you're ultimately depending on

LPD,

Thanks for all the great info.  Mark at L&M has done an RMR install on a G17, G19 and M&P .45 for me, all 100% well done.  He did an ACRO  install on an M&P .45 at normal reasonable prices, for what was custom work. Great comms and quick turn around. 

I know other guys and shops are doing great work, but If I do another handgun for an optic, I know who I'll send the slide too 

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lpd5408 posted:

 

6. I know of one Officer in a different agency using the SRO as a duty optic. He likes it and i'm confident he could still get the job done if it broke and he needed to do work. 

 

That's a bold strategy along the lines of loading SMK in .308 for duty-use even though the company producing it says it's specifically not to be used in such a way...

I talked with the Sr. FI today and we sort of came to the consensus that we're only going to approve the RMR Type 2 and the PD will provide the users with a fresh battery at two of the mandated PD quals a year (we do four quals a year, but that seems like over-kill for battery changes).  There's a third FI, but 2 out of 3 is the majority... lol.

I seem to have lit a fire since joining the FI cadre because he also agreed to allow personally-owned rifles out on patrol as long as they fit the rack in the car and they meet certain standards of quality on company, optic, sling, and light.

Times are changing...

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Next order of business:  Sights on RDS-equipped pistols.

Our G17s are going to come issued with Ameriglo orange dot post and blacked out rear.

I've heard the opinion/experience of a respected source, but I'd like to open up to audience participation

Is the orange dot post a good idea with an RDS or is all black the way to go?  Each weapon will have an issued TLR-1hl attached.

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Do the Holosun optics come with the appropriate screws for an MOS application?  I saw Battlewerx has some but I’m a bit disappointed they’re hex instead of torx. Or is that an issue at the low torque these are installed at?

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THETICK

I can’t argue with you. I do know when I went to NRA this year I was told the SRO would be a great duty option by the reps there. Within a few weeks they were released and Trijicon said they are not duty rated. 

Either way I don’t have one and have not shot a pistol with one yet. Would I outfit a PD with SRO’s no. 

As far as iron sights I prefer plain black front and rear. My STI has tritium front and rear, but my Glocks and MOS pistols all have Ameriglo GL-429 sights. 

10-8 Performance mentioned that he has been using a plain black rear with a green fiber optic front sight with a RMR and is liking that combo. I’m wanting to try that combo myself but Haven’t yet. 

I think there is some personal choice in there as well. 

BEREN412 on the Holosun I have just been using the screws that came with the optic. I just haven’t looked into new screws at this time 

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I’ve found the 10-8 Performance .315 suppressor-height fiber optic front sight is a direct replacement for the Ameriglo GL-429 front sight.

FWIW, I’ve been running the combo with a green FO insert for a while and like it.

I purchased sights to go with the RMR06 gen1 on the Zev slide.  These sights.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They turned out to be pretty good, with one exception.  First the good and then the sole negative.  They aren't too high.  Everybody talks suppressor height sights, and I have a set of Ameriglos on another slide.  After getting the Truglo, I finally had a comparison.  The Truglo sights barely extend into the field of view.  Let's call it the bottom 1/8 co-witness.  I've checked them at night, and the dots are just visible, so still a good sight picture. 

The sole negative is that they have a slight hook on the front edge of the rear sight.  It actually angles over the rear of the RMR, but they are so close, the RMR can't be removed (battery changes) without first removing the rear sight.  I can move them to another gun when I find some replacements.  Right now, these seem to be the best match.

http://www.10-8performance.com...ght-standard-height/

I'll go with a tritium front. 

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What I'm debating is the Ameriglo orange post/black rear (GL-581) or just all black (GL-470).

It's my understanding that you need the extra tall sights for the added height of the MOS plate.

My conundrum is if the orange dotted front post will complicate finding the RMR's  red dot.

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TheTick posted:

What I'm debating is the Ameriglo orange post/black rear (GL-581) or just all black (GL-470).

It's my understanding that you need the extra tall sights for the added height of the MOS plate.

My conundrum is if the orange dotted front post will complicate finding the RMR's  red dot.

I get bothered by the white outline around the tritium vial when looking through the red dot. I would imagine an orange dot would be the same or worse. 

If you’re in the market for tritium BUIS then trijicon has a blacked out set of suppressor height sights that have no outline at all around the tritium vials. Shot my buddy’s. Works well. 

“They were two douchebags who met in the normal course of being two douchebags.” - Sully, Third Watch

OK I started to type this out last night and never finished I guess. I have two RMR G19s.

1) G4.G19 w/ RMR06 Type 1 milled by ATEI, Ameriglo Suppressor Height Sights w/ Trit insert front
2) G4.G19 w/ RMR06 Type 1 milled by L&M, Ameriglo Suppressor Height Sights all black, uses a sealing plate. 

I've been running these two gun setups for right around 2 years now I believe. The L&M one is my duty gun and the ATEI is my off duty gun. I work patrol in the midwest and have had zero issues between the two and have noticed no difference between using the sealing plate and not using it in my personal experience. 

@TheTick Its possible its just my eyesight but I have never noticed the tritium on my one pair of sights while using the dot. If you are using the dot right, someone correct me if I'm wrong, you aren't really looking at the dot you are looking beyond the dot at the target as you would with your rifle red dot setups. While you generally still see your irons in your peripheral slightly unless you focus on them your eyes don't pick up the tritium at all. 

Our policy doesn't delineate between which red dots are allowed for our use fortunately or unfortunately depending how you look at it. That being said I think your runners are going to be RMR/DPP/Acro/Holosun these days. Personal opinion says the SRO not being able to withstand duty use is probably being overblown as well. I've watched Cowan's video on it and the main issue being discussed on it is durability. I think through regular patrol you would probably never have issues, even getting bumped on things with the holster you aren't going to break it and I don't know what you are doing that you would drop your gun from shoulder height. You may run into an issue doing one hand manipulations off of objects which you are getting into micro stats of that being likely. 

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This is analytical as opposed to many years of using an RDS, so keep that in mind.  Colors in a front sight came about to draw your eye to the front sight and faster sight acquisition for faster shooting.  Not more accurate shooting.  Especially with a fiber optic in bright sunlight.  Which is why target shooters still prefer black on black, narrow front sights, with a corresponding narrow notch.  Night sights added a colored (or white)  ring around the tritium to improve the daylight acquisition.

Understanding the history and purpose, I think having an outline around the front sight tritium misses the essential point.  They are a back up iron sight in the event the RDS is broken or the battery dies.  Consequently, they will almost never be used.  So from an analytical point of view, the potential that a brightly colored front sight would slow or interfere with your acquisition of the dot, vs. the very limited expected use, suggests that you would be better off without it.  The counter-point of course is that if you have a front sight with an insert, are accustomed to it, and it has never been an issue, don't change.

I don't lower the dot intensity at night because I have a light on the gun, which I intend to use.  So I'll need that bright dot when there is a bright light on my target.  Which means I won't see the tritium glow.  Honestly, because I have a light on my gun, tritium sights are more of a visual clue as to where the gun is in the dark.  Sometimes I wonder if that is enough to justify the cost.

Remember, this is just an analysis, not a summary of a lot of personal experience by multiple people.  If multiple users have a different experience, I'd say that trumps theory.   

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Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

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From the analytical POV: I tend to agree that there's no reason for bright inserts, fiber, etc. It's a backup method. 

I have however concluded I'd still like to have tritium front as a backup. Yes, have tritium irons on most of my carbines also. If light and RDS fail (assuming worst case but it's plausible if the gun was damaged) then you can at least aim accurately in essentially all situations. 

OR, is everyone thinking that plain black is fine, for the part where you cannot ID well enough from muzzle-flash, silhouette?

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Finally got around to getting one of my VP9s milled.  Went with Primary Machine based on some recommendations from guys on P-F.  Slide was refinished with black nitride.  Took her out Sunday evening to get a rough zero and quick practice session in before the range closed.  I had a G19 set up with an RMR several years ago before I made the transition to HK, and I forgot just how awesome the RMR is at providing feedback about the quality of the trigger press.  Learning to accept the wobble and trust the dot leads to pretty decent split times while getting quality hits—I put about 150 rounds through the repair center shown below, mostly relatively fast-paced (pairs and Bills) from 5-15 yards, just working on acquiring the dot and tracking it through recoil.  More practice is needed, for sure, but I can already see myself putting RMRs on several other guns.

The only thing left to decide is whether to stick with RMRs, or go with an ACRO.  This is being carried concealed AIWB in a Phlster Floodlight.  My only concern with the ACRO is that the rear of the optic protrudes upward from the slide and occupies the space that is left empty on the RMR between the front portion with the lens and the lower rear part...  With the RMR it seems the bulk of the sight sits right above my belt line and has negligible effect on concealment.  I’m worried that the Aimpoint will print a little more.  Anyone have experience carrying both the RMR and ACRO want to weigh in on how concealment is working out for you in an AIWB holster?

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

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Casey posted:

Finally got around to getting one of my VP9s milled.  Went with Primary Machine based on some recommendations from guys on P-F.  Slide was refinished with black nitride.  Took her out Sunday evening to get a rough zero and quick practice session in before the range closed.  I had a G19 set up with an RMR several years ago before I made the transition to HK, and I forgot just how awesome the RMR is at providing feedback about the quality of the trigger press.  Learning to accept the wobble and trust the dot leads to pretty decent split times while getting quality hits—I put about 150 rounds through the repair center shown below, mostly relatively fast-paced (pairs and Bills) from 5-15 yards, just working on acquiring the dot and tracking it through recoil.  More practice is needed, for sure, but I can already see myself putting RMRs on several other guns.

The only thing left to decide is whether to stick with RMRs, or go with an ACRO.  This is being carried concealed AIWB in a Phlster Floodlight.  My only concern with the ACRO is that the rear of the optic protrudes upward from the slide and occupies the space that is left empty on the RMR between the front portion with the lens and the lower rear part...  With the RMR it seems the bulk of the sight sits right above my belt line and has negligible effect on concealment.  I’m worried that the Aimpoint will print a little more.  Anyone have experience carrying both the RMR and ACRO want to weigh in on how concealment is working out for you in an AIWB holster?

@Casey - VP9 user as well.  What type of backup iron sights are you running on your VP9 in the photo.

Thank you,

Tony

trooper84 posted:

What height Ameriglo sights are recommended for the MOS platform running an RMR with a sealing plate? I'll most likely go with a black front and rear as that's what I currently run on my off duty ATOM slide Glock.

*** I have no firsthand knowledge so this is strictly from reading ***

Ameriglo GL-470 appear to be the all-black, MOS-specific suppressor height sights. 

Anyone with firsthand knowledge to confirm or contradict?

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TheTick posted:
trooper84 posted:

What height Ameriglo sights are recommended for the MOS platform running an RMR with a sealing plate? I'll most likely go with a black front and rear as that's what I currently run on my off duty ATOM slide Glock.

*** I have no firsthand knowledge so this is strictly from reading ***

Ameriglo GL-470 appear to be the all-black, MOS-specific suppressor height sights. 

Anyone with firsthand knowledge to confirm or contradict?

Below is from Battle Werx:

With an RMR on an MOS Glock you will want any of the sights with a .350” front and .429” Rear for a lower 1/3 co-witness.

 

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Antonius posted:

@Casey - VP9 user as well.  What type of backup iron sights are you running on your VP9 in the photo.

Thank you,

Tony

Primary Machine says they are custom Dawson Precision sights.  Not sure of the exact dimensions.  It's a fairly deep cut, so I think they use sights that are a little shorter than standard suppressor-height sights to avoid obscuring the window.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

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