Reliving the 80’s Witness Protection Shotgun

dmaxd03 posted:
DLehr 

 

 I'd suggest you get a set of Brush Research Shotgun Flex Hones - chamber, bore, and forcing cone:

http://www.brushresearch.com/brushes.php?c2=6

You should be able to tell the difference between before and after patterns.

Interesting.   What all applications have you used them?   I am curious as to their use for .223 

I originally used B-R  flex-hones to finish cylinders when re-ringing go-kart engines between bore-jobs.

On the shotguns I wanted something to smooth out the forcing cone in lieu of going to a forcing cone reamer.  They seemed to work pretty good for that and the bore in general.

I know they make rifle chamber hones, never used one.

 

Striker5 posted:

Please excuse if this is OT, but does anyone have any experience with 14.5" 590A1's? I've had a 18.5 590A1 with factory ghost rings, a very short hogue stock and GI web sling for five years now and am thinking about SBS'ing it. 

They are solid guns.  There are some good threads on the military upgraded Mossbergs.  I have a Mossberg project that I have been working on WAY too long and need to finish.

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Striker5 posted:

Please excuse if this is OT, but does anyone have any experience with 14.5" 590A1's? I've had a 18.5 590A1 with factory ghost rings, a very short hogue stock and GI web sling for five years now and am thinking about SBS'ing it. 

Striker5,

The easiest way to do the conversion is to find a 514 conversion kit, from a LE dealer. 

Crimson trace now makes a receiver mounted laser activated by the firing hand for Mossbergs. 

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Brilliant marketing by Remington. 

Tac 14 in 12ga, sell a bunch, then introduce it in 20ga, sell a bunch, then introduce a semi 12ga .... . 

I'd guess an Arm Brace will follow.  In a logical world, massive violence with shorty shotguns will NOT happen and the Congress would revoke the NFA restrictions on SBS and SBR's.  Ya, I know stop thinking. 

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Rick R2 posted:

Looks to me like a good way to repel borders or anti-AntiFa use when you find your vehicle surrounded by guerrilla traffic NAZIs...

Na, I'd go with a modern version of the Rhodesian 'Spider' (6 to 36, 12ga barrels rotary fired from inside)

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or always roll with your Rhodesian cosmetic case

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Best advice I have seen is to convert it by getting a new gun  

Mossberg 500Bs are relatively rare so /sometimes/ (region, timeframe) demand a premium. You might be able to sell it and fund a pretty nice 500/590 in 12 ga. 

I'd ask the LGS about putting it on consignment or roll the dice on awful people on GunBroker. 

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scott oldham posted:

Ok, odd/likely stupid question, I have an old Mossberg  500 in 16 ga, anyway to convert it to a useful caliber ?

 

Inherited it from my Dad, just want to make it useful.

Useful how ?

Convenience or ballistics ?

16ga is not an anemic round.

I have a nice classic O/U 16ga and am the first to admit that ammo is not cheap or readily available. Having said that, it has not come short on performance.

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Use it and enjoy it as it is.

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Agreed... 16 never stayed as popular the last 30-40 years but like the .41 never really went away. For a lot of bird hunting  a 16 does very well. I don't hunt enough to need MORE shotguns over my Benelli, but an inherited 16ga would kill the shit out of doves, ducks, etc just fine.

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Regarding the new V3 Tack 13. Are the Remington V3 shotguns any good? 

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Dan187,

No experience with the V3 shotguns, but at an MSRP North of $900, they better be damn good.   At least twice the street price of the TAC 14. 

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Have you gents seen this?

http://www.blackacestactical.c...kwave-semi-synthetic

 

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B0308 posted:

Dan187,

No experience with the V3 shotguns, but at an MSRP North of $900, they better be damn good.   At least twice the street price of the TAC 14. 

I've learned, somewhat painfully, that high cost does not always equate to high function.

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Kahana posted:
scott oldham posted:

Ok, odd/likely stupid question, I have an old Mossberg  500 in 16 ga, anyway to convert it to a useful caliber ?

 

Inherited it from my Dad, just want to make it useful.

Useful how ?

Convenience or ballistics ?

16ga is not an anemic round.

I have a nice classic O/U 16ga and am the first to admit that ammo is not cheap or readily available. Having said that, it has not come short on performance.

I believe you have what you have.

Use it and enjoy it as it is.

k

Yeah, won't sell this one as it was my Dad's. He bought 16 gauge because it was the only thing available at the store, or that he could afford right after he and my mom got married, this was back during the time of the nationwide riots of the 60's. Hard working guy, only thing he was able to afford way back when and he never upgraded it to something else. Not sure how he raised a family on the pay he made but somehow he did-ultimately the smartest guy I have ever known.

The shotgun probably has 15 rounds fired through it in its lifetime.  I'm sure he bought a box of ammo for it when he bought it and when I got it there were still 10 rounds left in the box. He had other guns in his life but those were all gifts from myself after the fact, this was the only one he ever bought.

I'd like to find a shorter barrel and use it for last ditch, or special purpose SD/HD, camping in Bear / Big Critter country, etc.  Just wanted to convert it to something a little more viable than the 16 in terms of finding ammo etc.

It may just have to hang on a wall in the man cave and I'll call it even.

prestonoconnor posted:

Is there a preferred length of vent rib 870 barrels for cutting to 14” and 18” inches?

I cut mine at the end of one of the supports where the vent attaches to the barrel,  so that there is a solid face and no overhang to get caught or bent. Also gave it a solid place to remount the bead, although they don't need much. Mine came in at just over 16 1/2", about 3/4" in front of the mag tube cap. Your location may vary based on the vent, but it looks good and has never caused problems catching on anything. 

prestonoconnor posted:

Is there a preferred length of vent rib 870 barrels for cutting to 14” and 18” inches?

I have this barrel:  https://www.midwestgunworks.co...ge/mgwi/prod/F240333

It would be about 141/4 and/or 183/4 if cut smooth at a rib joint.

I guess at that point it would be a cylinder bore since you would have cut off the choke or the portion of the barrel threaded for a choke.

The problem at that point might be whether there is enough material left to thread for a new choke.  This is why I ended up with the 21inch barrel above, my gunsmith told me it was 50/50 whether he'd be able to fit a choke once he cut down my original barrel.

I don't think Remington makes 14 and 18 inch vented rib barrels, these seem to be good prices on short Remington barrels:

https://www.botach.com/remingt...els-11-14-18-inches/

 

Bill, Idaho posted:

But what if a guy puts a "pistol brace" on one of those Tac14's?  You know someone is going to do it.  Would that then make it an SBS and therefore needing to papered? 

Remington sells one that way as a 'firearm', not an SBS.

https://www.remington.com/othe...870-tac-14-arm-brace

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I got a Brace, also copy  of  letters from both the manufacture and ATF that states that the TAC-14 with the Brace is NOT a SBS.  Bit it kind of defies logic (as if that matters with The NFA).  

We'll see I'd a Dem House  can affect any changes to all that. 

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This may be worth its own thread, but I picked up the first V3 Tac-13 to hit Dallas on Saturday and shot it in a shotgun class on Sunday.  To say I am impressed and overjoyed with its performance so far is an understatement.  Ran on cheap birdshot to slug without issue. Jumped in on the last spot of a Rolling Thunder drill.  

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stray round posted:

You made that look deceptively easy.

Being a mere earthling, I'd be happy with half that speed.

I had maybe ten rounds through it prior to that video.  Give me some time with it and I think I will be able to develop a serious set of TTP’s for the little monster.  

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Better picture of the “Little Monster monster”.

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The autoloader just reminded me of the just-before-my-time 10 ga Ithaca Roadblockers. Wasn't there a thing of cutting those down? Cannot find it now, as it predates the internet, but I recall handling (not shooting) one once, I think. 

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So are the V3's considered good to go then? There just isn't a lot of info on them as far as long term reliability and durability.

 

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