Reliving the 80’s Witness Protection Shotgun

dan187 posted:

So are the V3's considered good to go then? There just isn't a lot of info on them as far as long term reliability and durability.

In limited use my example of

one is.  It is at Lone Star Armory having X/S sights express sights installed.  I will continue shooting it and report how it goes.  I am building a training program for these type of guns and will likely start teaching it next year.  I will run the gun through someone else’s class and that should be a solid test.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Thanks!

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"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - R. Heinlen

 

Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

I have a Vang Comp 590 that I carry for work. When I first saw the Shockwave I toyed with the idea of getting one just because, but procrastinated. I'm sorta glad I did because I saw the Shockwave Nightstick advertised last week. I have a birthday coming up so I think my wife is going to get it for me. 

Brownells has a Magnaported barrel on sale for $180, which intrigues me. But my Vang Comp has been so good to me...

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"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

On DBs FB post there where some comments about the vents being a problem sometimes burning hands due to grip. They didn't really go into it too much, and it was 12in vs 14 in bbls so maybe its not a problem.

Joined  4/5/03  Location Maine

I have never had an issue with getting burned by the vents and keep in mind not only my personal experience having lots of shotgun time with them we also issued 40 guns with them.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Dagga Boy posted:

I have never had an issue with getting burned by the vents and keep in mind not only my personal experience having lots of shotgun time with them we also issued 40 guns with them.

I just reread the posts it was a couple of other guys who posted issues getting their grip over the ports. Didn't say how. 

Joined  4/5/03  Location Maine

I had a Mag-na-port 12.5" barrel on my Witness Protection 870 back in the day, and currently have Mag-na-porting on a 14.0" TAC-14 and a 12.3" Remington 11-48 (SBS), and have never had any issues with the vents. The porting is within 1" of the muzzle, so if your hand(s) are floating around in that area, you might have bigger issue than 'gas'. It is constant, so the shorter the barrel, the closer to the receiver they are done. I certainly feel the Mag-na-porting helps with recoil and muzzle climb on these short guns. It runs $99 to have that done, with $33 for return shipping. They have a '46th-anniversary' coupon for 15% off. (PM me for a copy, although I don't know if it is 'shareable'. Or sweet talk Donna at Mag-na-port). Turn time is less than two weeks.  Also lengthening the forcing cone is a good modification IMO.

TAC14-porting

And a 'heads-up' with Mag-na-port and under 18" barrels. If you send them a 14" barrel, they understand the whole TAC14 & Shockwave (or 13" in the case of the TAC13) deal and have no issues. If you send them a shorter barrel (or say a 14" barrel from a Browning Model 11), they will want a copy of your approved Form 1 or Form 4. They are a Class 1 dealer only and want the form so it can stay with the barrel while they service it. Yes, I know, the barrel is not a controlled part, etc, etc, but their house, their rules. 

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Does anyone know of anywhere that actually has the V3 Tac 13s for sale? I've never seen them in stock anywhere.

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"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - R. Heinlen

 

Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

Nice.

Gotta find a leather guy, get that shell cuff to match the sling. 

It can go only halfway, keep the velcro back. But more old school leather  

Also, and it may just be the photo, but the pistol grip looks dull. I'd probably break the edges there (the flats are a bit pronounced to me, look cheap) then linseed the hell out of it. Remember, linseed oil is applied, then excess wiped off:

  • Once a day for a week
  • Once a week for a month
  • Once a month for a year
  • Once a year forever 

And as needed if rained on, etc. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

I thought I post a few low key ways to carry your TAC14, Shockwave, TAC13 or SBS.

First of course is the old stand-by, a violin case. Although given the demographics of LightFighter (knuckledragger types), I think I would pass it off as a 'fiddle' case instead of a 'violin' case.

fiddle-case

Do you know the difference between a violin and a fiddle? ....You don't spill beer on a violin.


Second, is the classic canvas and leather takedown shotgun case. Classy and with a flyfishing patch or two for 'misdirection' you should fly under the radar.

takedown-case


Third, and my favorite is the drafting or art case. The perfect size, very lowkey, not too valuable looking and the 'pencil' side pouches hold 2 3/4 shells perfectly.

art-case

 

Ya, that is a real event   in case you want one for your 'fiddle' case 

MCLMM-music-sticker

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"It's paranoia until something happens, then it is preparedness"

"It is not whether you're paranoid, it whether you're paranoid enough"

"When did you get so paranoid?" …When they started plotting against me.

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I thought about making a wooden case similar to an wooden artist's case because I don't think it would be as targeted for theft as a musical instrument. The versions I've seen are a little too small.  

Wooden-Art-Supply-Storage-Carrying-Case-Briefcase-Box-Art-Supplies-Artist

Of course I don't look like an aspiring artist.  I might need a 'fro.

Image result for bob ross

 

 

Antonius posted:

Where would you suggest getting a drafting or art case like that? Is there a particularly good brand to look for?

This is the one that works perfectly, Alvin Metro Tube – 26" Item No. MK26 https://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Products.aspx?IID=3699

It is actual 27" internal measurement (25" to the zipper, with the lid adding another 2"). I have a rigid foam block at the muzzle end that spaces the gun up a little (my SBS is 24" overall length). The square shape works very well for me as the SBS has a removable buttstock and that will fit in the case also, parallel to the gun.

I found the best deal on eBay for $45, with Amazon and most online dealers being $60-$65 (list price is $85). The 'leather-like' material actually looks very good. The only weak point I see is with it being square, zippers don't usually like those corners, but I think with being aware and careful of that, the zipper should last.

               Other case sources:

Takedown case from L.L.Bean  'Maine Guide Waxed-Canvas Takedown Shotgun Case' Item # TA241475. A good deal going on right now. Normally $89.00, but $10 off and then an additional  25% discount running to the 22nd. If you miss that discount, they normally run 25% every month or so.

Violin case from Alphonse Gabriel Capone Estate sale, $15.00

 

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"It's paranoia until something happens, then it is preparedness"

"It is not whether you're paranoid, it whether you're paranoid enough"

"When did you get so paranoid?" …When they started plotting against me.

sub posted:

I bet a tool box(carpenters ) would work for working guys. I always laugh at tennis bags unless you have out of state plates.

My thoughts earlier when I didn't have time to post. Not tool box specifically, but just "make sure whatever you are carrying is not itself conspicuous." A violin case is somewhat conspicuous. Oh, you play the violin? Can you play now? What's that wooden box? Can I see what you've been painting? Etc. 

For a lot of workman situations, you could probably carry it in a small Pelican case, with suitable stickers indicating it is tool #7, and beat up enough.  There are numerous (blank inside) hard and soft tool cases. Long ago I went to the local industrial supply house, bought a blank steel box, put foam in it to store my Bosch jigsaw. Or, things like this: 

That's only 21" inside, but I bet you can find something a tidge longer. 

 

Other thought I have is: don't have only the gun inside. Actually put stuff you use day to day in the top. Not gonna get you through security checkpoints, but it's then totally innocuous, and also you won't forget it anywhere as your lunch and phone charger are inside. 

For those who can get away with backpacks, why not the Apparition? 27" inside clean. Set for 5.56 SBRs, but so? 

IIRC the whole back is loop, so get some spare velcro sidesaddles to stick in there for reloads. Ignore the 5.56 pouches or store something unrelated there. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

Of course, if they ask you to play your 'instrument', seeing how you have a 'Little Monster®' in there, it could be like asking you where your farm is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...re=youtu.be&t=64

I'm a lead farmer player Mother#$@%er

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"It's paranoia until something happens, then it is preparedness"

"It is not whether you're paranoid, it whether you're paranoid enough"

"When did you get so paranoid?" …When they started plotting against me.

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