Revolver topic, but a little off the current trac:

Are the Longwitz S.L. Variant speedloaders still being made? If so, anyone have a source? Bobby Mac's has been out of stock for over a year, and still say "awaiting shipment". The company website appears to be dead. I have one for the j frame but would like several more. I'm unwilling to pay the e gay prices. If they are no more, I may sell my one and just use jetloaders. I've seen  prices on the S.L.s at 100 bucks.

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CWM11B posted:

Revolver topic, but a little off the current trac:

Are the Longwitz S.L. Variant speedloaders still being made? If so, anyone have a source? Bobby Mac's has been out of stock for over a year, and still say "awaiting shipment". The company website appears to be dead. I have one for the j frame but would like several more. I'm unwilling to pay the e gay prices. If they are no more, I may sell my one and just use jetloaders. I've seen  prices on the S.L.s at 100 bucks.

I was following an auction on eBay, and yesterday a pair sold for $260...... 

I do have one, that was a gift from a very kind friend.  I treat it very gently, but to make a point of practicing with it.  I know the odds of running across one and needed to use it are exceedingly slim.  But it pays to know as many systems as one can.

Good little bit of data from tacticalprofessor today.

Revolvers are passé

At least to the general public…

The 2017 BATF production statistics, Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report (AFMER), https://www.atf.gov/file/133476/download have been released. There are some interesting facts about market trends in it. The snub nose .38, which was a long time standard for Personal Protection, has clearly been replaced in popularity by compact .380 ACP autoloaders. This continues a trend that has been building for a decade.

All manufacturers

Total .38 revolver – 177,956

Total .380 autoloader – 848,425

Americans blithely continued to disregard the cognoscenti who say .380s will get them ‘kilt in da streetz.’ The last year in which .38/.357 revolver production was close to .380 production was 2008.

In fact, .380 production exceeds the combined total of both .22 revolvers and .22 autoloaders. That surprised me. The .380 is the second most popular caliber in the Nation, after 9mm.

Ruger’s production statistics are interesting. It produced 12 times as many .380s as LCRs. In fact, .380 production for 2017, 376,304 units, was 80 percent greater than all their other centerfire autoloaders combined. Over the past ten years, Ruger’s production of the LCP has averaged 227,220 units annually. Production of the LCP as of Year End 2017 has been 2,272,204 pistols, making it one of the most popular pistols in America.

Other notable (>10,000 units) manufacturers of .380s were:

  • Taurus – 60,172 units
  • Glock (US manufacture) – 73,646 units
  • Smith & Wesson – 113,246 units
  • Remington – 15,045 units
  • Sig Sauer – 66,586 units
  • Jimenez Arms – 11,586 units
  • Kimber – 27,608 units
  • Hi Point – 14,805 units
  • Beretta – 20,810 units
  • Browning – 19,472 units
  • Cobra – 11,475 units
  • Walther – 13,604 units

S&W produced over 7 times as many 9/40/45 autoloaders as they did .38s. They produced nearly as many .380 Bodyguards as they did J Frame revolvers. Its 2017 production of 9mm autoloaders alone was 606,732 units, in contrast to 207,384 total revolvers produced.

Aficionados might be experiencing a ‘revolver resurgence,’ but the general public just isn’t interested.

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Got my S&W Model 19-4 back from Frank Glenn- he figured out my leading issue was due to lead build-up in the forcing cone and shooting crappy SWCHP ammo through it so he gave it a good cleaning. I should have known better but I'm a revolver noob and it's a whole different learning curve. On the plus side, it gave me the opportunity to get a duty action job from him and now I have this beauty that handles like a dream. 

Thanks for the heads up on Ahrends Grips from this thread, huge improvement over the factory stocks.

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That is one sweet looking blaster. It’s almost sacrilegious to call it a “Blaster”. We need a better term for a gun like this that we all would be proud to own.  Revolver guy or not.  

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Beautiful wheel gun. Looks like my first duty gun: a personal Model 19 with goncalo alves wooden combat grips. Wish I still had it.

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Anybody got any recommendations for a concealed holster for a 3” Model 60? Or revolvers in general? 

Also anybody tried the Apex Tactical trigger/hammer kits for S&W Revolvers? 

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I love the 3 inch Chief Specials. I have three of them. 

Unfortunately, the holsters i’m Using now (OWB and ankle) I bought a few years ago from Tex Shoemaker right before they went out of business. 

If you have somebody local that does custom work in leather or kydex they could probably craft something for you.  

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Bianchi Black Widow. I have many of this including one for a three inch J frame 

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BKS posted:

Anybody got any recommendations for a concealed holster for a 3” Model 60? Or revolvers in general? 

Also anybody tried the Apex Tactical trigger/hammer kits for S&W Revolvers? 

Leather holsters, I tend to lean toward Rosen and Kramer.  Pricey, but well worth it. 

The Rosen SPT is a design I particularly like.  The Dillon link has a good pic, but you can  go to Rosen's website and make some selections.

https://www.dillonprecision.co...ster_8_22_26070.html

https://mitchrosen.com/product...sters/belt-holsters/

I especially like the Kramer vertical scabbard.  I have had one for my G19 for a couple decades in horsehide, and it is my favorite.  I carry with it daily.

https://www.kramerleather.com/...ts/vertical-scabbard

 

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DirtySanchez posted:
BKS posted:

Anybody got any recommendations for a concealed holster for a 3” Model 60? Or revolvers in general? 

Also anybody tried the Apex Tactical trigger/hammer kits for S&W Revolvers? 

Leather holsters, I tend to lean toward Rosen and Kramer.  Pricey, but well worth it. 

The Rosen SPT is a design I particularly like.  The Dillon link has a good pic, but you can  go to Rosen's website and make some selections.

https://www.dillonprecision.co...ster_8_22_26070.html

https://mitchrosen.com/product...sters/belt-holsters/

I especially like the Kramer vertical scabbard.  I have had one for my G19 for a couple decades in horsehide, and it is my favorite.  I carry with it daily.

https://www.kramerleather.com/...ts/vertical-scabbard

 

Kramer FTW.  Lead times not ridiculous, back when I had mine lead time was calculated as how long it takes to mail it out, prices o.k., $125 for a good piece of leather is not unreasonable. This was back in the mid to late '80's so I'm not sure if this still holds true today.  Not as finely finished as say Milt Sparks and some others, just very solidly built leather.  The FBI cant belt scabbard was all I would use for my 1911 pattern guns.

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Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

Another possible resource would be Rusty Sherrick holsters.

Full disclosure I am waiting for my first Sherrick order to arrive, but all of my conversations with him have been first rate and his considerable experience shows in our preorder discussions.  He has considerable history with LAPD SIS and Tom Givens to name two.  He is a true custom shop and works in horsehide.  I am trying out some of his zero cant holsters and gear to replace some older Ritchie Leather (i.e., Alessi designs) gear.

Ken Null is another great choice.  His designs are mostly from or at least based on the Seventrees line, but they work very well.  His turnaround time is very good as well and he works in horsehide as well.  I have used several of Ken’s holsters and gear without incident.

Tony

I've got various Bianchi, Rosen, Kramer, Alessi and Sherrick holsters (along with some kydex) and don't have a bad thing to say about any of them. Mostly for semi-autos, but several for revolvers.  

If time and money were no object, I'd go with Milt Sparks for all my requirements.  Not cheap and not quick, but quality seldom is. Having said that I'm still using an OWB 1911 holster I got from them (Milt might have made it) in the early 80's, so it you go by cost per year of use, they are economical .

I've probably got more Milt Sparks holsters for J-frames, N-frames, 1911's, G19's, G17's, G21's, G30's and a BHP, than any other holster maker.  Plus Mag holders and a couple belts as required.  But that's just me .

"Buy once, cry once" a wise Irishman once said. 

Yet right now I've got a G19 in JMCK, AIWB rig, go figure. 

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A man will never regret buying a quality holster. And a good holster will last just about forever. 

All my revolver holsters are leather. I like kydex but I would feel weird carry a wheel gun in a plastic holster. 

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Steel and Wood GO with Leather......Polymer goes with Kydex…...LOL


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There where a couple of guys who used those clamshells in my Reserve Deputy unit in San diego(early 80s). They where used in LAPD I believe. I am pretty sure Reed and Malloy used them. My Lt had one and I saw him get out of a car and the holster opened and his 6 in Python landed on the asphalt. 

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sub posted:

There where a couple of guys who used those clamshells in my Reserve Deputy unit in San diego(early 80s). They where used in LAPD I believe. I am pretty sure Reed and Malloy used them. My Lt had one and I saw him get out of a car and the holster opened and his 6 in Python landed on the asphalt. 

Ooops.

Biggest article on the clamshell I know: 

https://revolverguy.com/fighti...r-clamshell-holster/

I recall them being a big innovation in retention that McNamara tried to get KCMO to adopt wide in the early 70s, along with some training and other practices. I think it didn't get far but not sure.  

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sub posted:

There where a couple of guys who used those clamshells in my Reserve Deputy unit in San diego(early 80s). They where used in LAPD I believe. I am pretty sure Reed and Malloy used them. My Lt had one and I saw him get out of a car and the holster opened and his 6 in Python landed on the asphalt. 

I’m pretty sure your Reed and Malloy reference to Adam-12 is correct. That’s what I remember them using though maybe not for the entire series.  

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Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

I think Sean Pen character in Colors uses one also. Uncle Scotty has a story of his opening, I think he was chasing somebody, and the gun ened up in a no tell Motel pool and he ended up using his BU j frame. I can't remember if it's in his book, one of his newsletters, or if he told it in class.

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Besides opening unexpectedly, I recall reading stories about having to pry the clamshells open.  May have been from lack of attention, like wearing it the rain and leaving it closed since the last qualification.  Never saw one in person in my corner of the world (Tennessee, Virginia).

Linz, thanks for bringing up this fascinating piece of history of which I would have otherwise been completely unaware.    

Is it me or is the Serpa of the 70s?

Trigger Finger placement for release resulting in NDs

Issues with retention (under retention vice over retention)

Fast initial rise to popularity followed by backlash from users

We are just doomed to repeat our mistakes.   (I say as I continue to see active duty members issued serpa for operational use)

 

Does anyone have a recommended place to have a old school leather PPC holster made? Mine revolver only sort of fits the Safariland plastic model I have, and has now eaten up the lining. Looking for a nice basket weave one with matching pouches for Safariland Speedloaders (Comp III ?)

 

Ted Blocker is all I have turned up for models so far.

PPC a lost, joyous art.

I have a Powers Custom PPC gun from the '70's.  Shoots great...but, I have not shot a PPC match in almost 20 years.  And...what do you do with the damn thing.

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Quick reply on the swivel clamshells.  Hugely popular in SoCal.  I despised them.  Yes...Serpa  of the 70’s and 80’s.  Not so much from an ND standpoint but more of a stupid thing that was popular.  The were good for big guns in cars, especially with bench seats.  They were considered “fast” and for trying to clear a 6” revolver out of an open top holster, they were. The Hoyt’s were a much better option for this reality,  The other issues with the swivels was guys in fights would have those stupid things swinging everywhere.  

It was a trend that refused to die.  We had a bunch of cops get together to have Tex Shoemaker make swivels for their semi autos in the late 90’s and 2000’s......can’t fix stupid in cop gear.

Some of the early Tactical holsters with swivels and leg straps worked well, but the unsecured patrol variants were a bad idea as far as I was concerned.

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Dagga Boy posted:

 

It was a trend that refused to die.  We had a bunch of cops get together to have Tex Shoemaker make swivels for their semi autos in the late 90’s and 2000’s......can’t fix stupid in cop gear.

They actually make a swivel that works with the Safariland 6360 series now...so a swivel on a holster that relies on a sturdy belt mount....fucking brilliant...

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Not enough photos lately! Want to see more guns! 

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shoobe01 posted:

Biggest article on the clamshell I know: 

https://revolverguy.com/fighti...r-clamshell-holster/

I recall them being a big innovation in retention that McNamara tried to get KCMO to adopt wide in the early 70s, along with some training and other practices. I think it didn't get far but not sure.  

Once again, I've learned something new on LF! Till now, I'd never even heard of a clamshell holster. 

LF should get an educational institution grant or tax exemption....

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shoobe01 posted:

Not enough photos lately! Want to see more guns! 

I posted my new-to-me Model 36 over in the 'Revolvers'  thread (compact thread). 

https://www.lightfighter.net/t...15#76051763433676115

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Been carrying this 686+ 3” for the last few weeks, swapped a 3” model 65 today for a 3” 629.  I had purchased a 3” model 60 a few weeks ago so it can take the place of the K frame. 

Anybody got a suggestion for a production grip for an N frame RB? 

Is Eagle grips still in business? 

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Thanks to the discussion of the clam shell on RevolverGuy I was reminded of the front break holster and the read about the Rogers Wraith/Safariland 275😡

Now I need one as a model, some basketweave kydex and a holster making tutorial (or a custom maker) to make one for my PPC revolver. 

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