On standby for deployment to the shenanigans.  At this juncture, its too late to secure my first choice, plates w/soft armor cummerbund.  I have the option of  standalone plates, soft armor or both.  Sounds like we won't be getting supplemental armor. Unsure how to consider weight, bulk etc vs wide range of threats.  Role will be TacMed so probably (but not guaranteed) in the second echelon running around providing aid.   I'd appreciate any input, whether here or in PMs.  

Thanks all

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Good luck brother, I got the  standby email as well but we had enough guys who wanted to go they haven’t mandated me yet. Has anyone addressed the issue of fire retardant uniforms? As you know all our stuff is...not.

Someone in another thread pointed out cotton underwear and t-shirt, wool socks, all leather boots and nomex gloves. I worked a protest the other night and went with soft armor based on temp and assignment, with plates handy. I really didn't want to be on my feet for 6-8 hours, maybe having to chase someone younger and faster than me while wearing plates. If you have a visor for your helmet wear it. Projectiles and liquids are a current threat. If you don't have a visor and can't get one in time definitely wear eye pro.  

Does anyone know if you can get a stand-alone neck protector like the ones on riot helmets for a PASGT helmet or ACH? 

I agree on the cotton underwear,  have a balaclava ready if possible.

Before we got issued proper riot equipment we used hockey protectors. Espicially the shoulders are vulnerable for injuries from flying bricks or hits.

Be safe.

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Someone in another thread pointed out cotton underwear and t-shirt, wool socks, all leather boots and nomex gloves. I worked a protest the other night and went with soft armor based on temp and assignment, with

Does anyone know if you can get a stand-alone neck protector like the ones on riot helmets for a PASGT helmet or ACH? 

I don't think this one will fit ACH out of the box but you may be able to retrofit an attachment system for it/similar types: 

grainger_DOT_com/product/UNITED-SHIELD-Riot-Neck-Protector-29RM07

If it were me, I'd rather be hit in the chest/back/sides with a bottle, brick, 2x4, bat, etc. while wearing hard armour rather than soft.

I would wear a lightweight plate carrier rather than full wrap around armour if heat/mobility/weight was a concern.

An added bonus would be protection from being shot with pretty much anything that the rioters happen to bring to, or find at, the party 

Regards.

Mark

@Community Member posted:

I don't think this one will fit ACH out of the box but you may be able to retrofit an attachment system for it/similar types: 

grainger_DOT_com/product/UNITED-SHIELD-Riot-Neck-Protector-29RM07

Thank you. That’s exactly what I’m looking for. Grainger estimates The ship date as September 2020 but it try to source it elsewhere. 

I'm in the Tac Medic role as well.  I'm wearing my Mayflower LPAAC with plates.  We've already detected someone trying to set up a sniper position.   Unfortunately he was not caught.  I don't wear the shield on my helmet as I feel it gets in my way but do wear eyepro.   My position is behind the front line.  I'm carrying  care under fire supplies on my vest and the rest is in a backpack. 

Our line guys wear soft armor under a 5-11 molle vest, helmets with shields and all the extremity protection.

For our grenadiers shield and extremity protection is optional. 

For some this will go without saying, but for those that need the reminder, please try on all your gear and get it adjusted prior to deployment.   And make sure you try your helmet with the gas mask on as well.

Stay safe and watch out for each other.

Steve

Ballistic riot helmets, not the plastic POSs, should be the industry standard. Sadly, they are not.

Missouri State Highway Patrol, fortunately, has ballistic helmets with face shields. Example A:

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That occured while the Trooper was IN HIS VEHICLE.

Now.. ask yourself this... how many guys gear down when they get in their vehicle? How many guys actually keep their helmet on and face shield DOWN in their vehicle?

That should tell you something about the perceived threat level.

I'm glad the Trooper is ok- physically. Mentally? I'd hazard a guess that he is vacillating between nervously thankful and madder than hell.

The stuff we gear is British thru Safe Wear. Immeasurably better than the catchers equipment so many police depts have. Layered under a FR suit that actually works with a merino or other natural fiber base layer.

I have first hand experience. This stuff is awesome. And it’s more comfortable than anything else I’ve worn. 

Work with soft armor and plates. 

I’ve been hit with all kinds of shit in training and in the real deal. Excellent protection. Several of us have been hit with Molotov cocktails to prove the FR effectiveness. 

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