I thought it appropriate to garner the opinion of fellow LFer's on a new single stack .45. I recently read an article on the Basic Carry and wondered what others opinion on it was. I'm open to other suggestions within this price range and would consider options in the neighborhood of 800-1700.

Basic Carry

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Both RRA BC and the Les Baer TRS are very good choices and about the same price. They are built on the tight side and are somewhat similar as Chuck Lawson worked for Les Baer. I don't have a whole lot of rounds through my TRS yet but it has been 100% reliable so far.



I had (until I sold it this week) an RRA "Adco" model, which was the basis for the Basic Carry. In short, I thought it was the cat's ass. Everything a 1911 should be and nothing it shouldn't. It ran without a hitch for well over 4000 rounds.

At ~1500 I don't know if there are a lot of other options I would consider.

The TRS costs a bit more and while it may be the exception, all of the Baers I've handled have been so ridiculously tight out of the box that I'd be reluctant to deal with it. Hell, I believe USMC03 once posted an experience where he had or saw a TRS that got bound up by pocket lint!

I'd look at an EB Special Forces (groan) model. Same idea, a no-frills 1911. A bit spendy, but worth looking at.

I'd take an RRA before any of them though. I LOVED mine. Maybe the best gun I've ever owned. One hole at 25 yards, beautiful trigger, no stoppages that weren't my fault..hell, I had a harder time keeping the gun in working magazines than I did with anything else. Just get a metal bushing wrench when you buy it. Plastic won't cut it.
I need some dudes who speak American, goddammit! He's making a fucking sweater here, I'm tryin' to put Tiger Balm on this jungle's nuts.
Unfortunately the RRA at $1700 isn't the deal it once was at $1500. I don't know of any RRA dealers other than one or two online, so $1700 is the price you're likely to pay (unlike Wilson, Baer, Brown, etc. which can be found from dealers at hundreds less than MSRP).

At $1500 I thought the Basic Carry was a fantastic choice.

Looks like several dealers on gunsamerica will order one for you for around $1600.
I've owned a 2X Baers, a TRS and a Stinger. I felt they were too tight. The TRS kept having problems. Les fixed them as they came, but it reinforced the fact I felt the gun was too tight. That was my opinion of that particular gun, but my experience with every other Baer since then has backed that up for me. I also felt the slide serrations were too sharp and the front cocking serrations ATE leather holsters.

I've been running a RRA for a while now. I bought it from ADCO. No problems with it, actually it's more than I had ever hoped for. I just came to the conclusion that I would rather shoot a glock in 9mm.

I don't know if this is against the rules, but if you are looking for a deal on a RRA, feel free to check out my baby here in the classifieds.

HERE IS A LINK FOR YA.
Thanks for the input gentlemen.


In short. I have been spending a fuck ton on .45's in the neighborhood of 2100-3200 a pop. After talking with a buddy of mine he preached a good sermon on the virtues of trying lower end of the spectrum. Smile Right now the only thing I'm seeing in the range I'm looking at is the Basic Carry or the following options.

Cylinder & Slide Recreational and Defense 1911 45 ACP

...or maybe an STI Lawman.....

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

Just FYI, the RRA guys come out of the Baer shop, so they're equally in love with too-tight guns. The ADCO guns fixed this as ADCO DEMANDED that the guns not be so ridiculously tight.

That CS gun doesn't look bad, but they didn't high-cut the front strap which is a deal breaker for me.

Take a look also at the Ed Brown Special Forces. Yes, the name is gay but it's a good pistol with the right balance of what you need vs. what you don't. I think they are still available in the $1800 range.
I didn't get to shoot the SF, but I did get to handle one. Nice gun, and seemed to be priced about right for what it was. I have heard, although I cannot remember where, that it is possible to order the SF without the Special Forces name down the slide. If I had the cash, I'd buy one for M4Guru and make him keep it. It'd be worth it just to see his eyes roll every time we talked about the name on the slide. Big Grin

Those of us who know must save those that don't from those that think they do.

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My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.-Exodus 22:24

If I was looking for a good 1911 with a budget of $1500, I'd try to get a used Wilson CQB. I've seen several used ones in that price range that were in fantastic shape. You just have to be patient and look for them to turn up on the gun boards.

I have several friends who own Wilson CQB pistols and they have nothing but great things to say about the pistol and the company. -I am very happy with mine.
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Just FYI, the RRA guys come out of the Baer shop, so they're equally in love with too-tight guns. The ADCO guns fixed this as ADCO DEMANDED that the guns not be so ridiculously tight.

That CS gun doesn't look bad, but they didn't high-cut the front strap which is a deal breaker for me.

Take a look also at the Ed Brown Special Forces. Yes, the name is gay but it's a good pistol with the right balance of what you need vs. what you don't. I think they are still available in the $1800 range.



I didn't know that about them being from Baer, thanks for sharing. I'll look into an Ed Brown. You are probably the 4th or 5th person to recommend them as a no nonsense brand.

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

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(side note, he would probably spank 90% of the people here on the range)

Borebrush knows a lot of people with some really weird fetishes.

Those of us who know must save those that don't from those that think they do.

"If you count 'three', mister, you'll never hear the man count 'ten'".-John Wayne as Sean Thornton in The Quiet Man

My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.-Exodus 22:24

Being the patient little monkey I am.....I read, shot several examples and recommendations made here....then a few that weren't. My goal of course was NOT to spend my usual 2k+ etc for a great 1911 and I had to ratchet back in order to meet that goal. Big Grin After much debate....I ended up with what I consider a damn good bang for the buck at 1200. Upon purchase...yesterday mind you, I immediately removed the factory grips and replaced with thinner VZ Aliens. I proceeded to pack it off to the range with me along with my STI .40 Edge and HK P30 for a pistol range day. The front strap on this gun is a freakin cheese grater but momma didn't raise no sissy. I believe at this point the only change I can forsee is replacing the rear sight with a Heinie Straight 8 and that's about it. I probably should also point out I almost used exclusively the Wilson Combat ETM 8 rounders. I however did try out the factory mags for a few runs and they seemed to work just fine. Why mess with perfection however? Razz

I put 400 rounds through it yesterday and it performed without a hitch. Pretty much shoots itself. I believe I have learned the valuable lesson over the past few months that when it comes to a Secondary weapon, I simply shoot better with a single stack 1911. Having said that...my next project will be a Caspian project. I will have Caspian do all the heavy lifting on their end, build the slide and frame to my specs and fit. Looking at a full size frame mated with a commander length slide. I'll have to reach out to the local guru known as Borebrush on other specifics such as ...to bull barrel or not to bull barrel etc.


" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

Nice looking blaster man

Its a shame that RRA is going to stop producing pistols

__________________________ Those kids need some fucking mentors. The beating stops when the bleeding stops. How fucking hard is that?-DZ Folk don't like the Bible until its time wipe every bad guy from the face of the Earth, and suddenly, its The Playbook. -Duke

With the new VZ Aliens and laying on the back of my new Tadgear Robin Hoodie Softshell. I still need to get around to posting pictures of THAT.

I took a Dremel to the front strap. A few passes on the cheese grater and VIOLA...perfect.


" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

Blackwind

That is so cheating. You are suppossed to wear them down with your hands over time. Big Grin My TRP was sharp as shit also on the frontstrap. I don't even notice now. Great shooting guns for the price. Enjoy!

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My first post on this forum. I have had great luck with the RR Basic Carry. I purchased my first one lightly used and liked it so much that I ordered a second. Still waiting for the second pistol, I'm 7 months into it at this point. I also have 2 TRS's that I'm very partial to. I hope RR starts building pistols again as I would like a 9MM 1911.
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And already jacked it up... Head over to Crusader Hall and post and intro man before you get dog piled

__________________________ Those kids need some fucking mentors. The beating stops when the bleeding stops. How fucking hard is that?-DZ Folk don't like the Bible until its time wipe every bad guy from the face of the Earth, and suddenly, its The Playbook. -Duke

I have been hearing that Rock River was going to stop making 1911's. The Rock River and Baer 1911's look very similar so you see the family resemblance. I have 5 Baer Thunder Ranchs, all were tight as hell but all have been very reliable including during the 800 to 1,000 round break in period. I understand Baer is making them looser out of the box now but it's been awhile since I bought one.
As long as Chuck Larson is part of RRA, I am certain that they'll continue building fine 1911s. I haven't asked Chuck or Mark specifically about this rumor because I give it no credence, but suffice it to say Chuck is a 1911 guy. Period.

As to Baer building looser guns...why would he? That is his trademark. As long as people howl about their "uber-perfect" Baers in Glock Talk fashion, I can't imagine a single reason for him to care. His bread & butter is competition guns, not fighting guns. And in that genre he is doing just fine.

So unless there is an industry professional or other insider willing to make a stand, why add to the muck? That is why we call it the "errornet".
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I have heard, although I cannot remember where, that it is possible to order the SF without the Special Forces name down the slide

A bit of a necropost Haji but that is correct, current carry gun stateside is a commander length bobtailed "SF Kobra Carry" with the SF markings ommitted. Me likey

Sorry dont have any decent pics,


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My Rock River 1911 has proven to be an excellent pistol over approximately 35,000 rounds. I use it as a competition gun. The only malfunctions have been attributable to my reloads and a weakened mainspring at around 25,000 rounds. Once I replaced the mainspring, the gun began to run perfectly again.

I also own a Les Baer "Tactical Xtreme". As has been previously mentioned, Baers are very tight. However, in my case at least, they are also very reliable. I can't recall a single malfunction (except for those deliberately induced during training) over approximately 5,000 rounds.

In my personal experience, you will be well served by either a RR or a Baer. Happy shooting from the Big Empty, ELN.

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