Saw a link pop up on these the other day. Hadn't heard about it previously.

 

Ruger's definitely not been drinking the old Bill Ruger koolaid for the last few years, and I didn't see this one coming.

 

I'm not a precision rifle guy, but it looks like they've definitely paid attention to what you guys want in a rifle, enough to where I wouldn't mind trying one out.

http://www.ruger.com/micros/rpr/index.html  and http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...-high-end-almost-ar/

 

Thoughts from you experienced guys?

 

 

The new "takes more than 1 mag type" magazine well looks interesting.

 

 

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Someone on the design team is a member at Snipers Hide and did their homework. The features are exceptionally well thought-out. Remington has their head too far up their ass to notice, but the other maker's should be shaking in their boots. If this rifle goes well, Ruger will have a huge success on their hand. 

 

This is less than half the cost of the precision rifle I've been pricing out. If the reviews are indicative and they perform just as well when they are distributed amongst gen pop, then I'm sold. As has been mentioned elsewhere, a ~$1000 precision rifle that can hang with the big dogs and whips their ass in terms of modularity is going to introduce some very profound changes to this market segment, and for the better. Every penny saved on the rifle can be put into a quality scope. The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake.

 

My only bitch thus far is that .260 Remington is not an option due to the availability of higher quality (Lapua) brass, but 6.5 Creedmoor is just as capable.

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If I remember right the .260 is .308 based so give them a little time.

I kind of figured this was going to do to the precision world what Kimber did to 1911s.

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Originally Posted by lew1zy:

...The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake...

 
I had read that, too, and wondered how they managed to engineer that type of compatibility.

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I've read quite a bit about this one, and it really is going to change the precision rifle landscape, in a good way.

 

Supposedly the rifle will have a street price of $1000, for any of the three versions. For that you will get a sub MOA rifle with integrated 20MOA base, that takes SR25 pattern magazines, can use almost all AR grips, stocks, and handguards, and has a barrel (low cost) that is easily replaceable by the user.

 

Think about that for a second, at least in its initial form, you can probably spend somewhere around $300 and have any number of calibers/barrel lengths based on a .308 case.

 

The barrel specs look good - while not stainless, it is 5R and hammer forged. Early released versions have been scarily accurate. Paired with an Burris XTRII or Vortex, and you just capably jumped into the long range game for less than $2,000.

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

Even assuming that this rifle has some undiscovered growing pains, everyone but AI is going to have to take notice and go back to the drawing board. 

This is going to be interesting. A major player like Ruger with a bolt action precision that reminds me of a AR-10 with mag choices, 20 MOA rail, supposed cheap,easily replaceable, accurate barrel at about a grand? And AR accessory friendly? I think I'm going to have to try one out when I get home.
Originally Posted by MrMurphy:
If I remember right the .260 is .308 based so give them a little time.

I kind of figured this was going to do to the precision world what Kimber did to 1911s.

And they're releasing a .308 version, so it would make good sense. In any case, it's just a barrel swap away, so it's not a huge issue. 

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I realize the ultra-adjustable buttstock is set up for precision rifle shooters, but this could be a good knock-around rifle too.  Replace that with a Magpul rifle stock and it would be very handy.   I'm feeling a stirring in my pants. 

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Wow. Even if that will only average 1 MOA, that is a lot of rifle for the money. 

 

If it shoots like they say it will, it's weight is reasonable, and it has long term durability... Game, set, Match! to Ruger

 

I did not see this coming but have been wishing that someone would start with a fresh sheet of paper like Ruger clearly did.

Originally Posted by Middlelength:

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

This is not an AR, although it superficially looks like one. That is good thing. It means you don't have to deal with the negatives of the AR trigger system, which exist even in a high end unit like a Geissele.

 

The Ruger trigger system was used because it was the best way to get from point A to B.

 

A 2.5 lb trigger release is plenty light enough if the trigger action is smooth and crisp. I don't worry about pull weight and haven't for years. The only reason it is used is because it is easy for laymen to quantify, and hard for companies to put a measurable glide factor on the trigger action.

 

I am unsure why they bothered to spend any time accommodating the legacy M-14 magazine or for that matter the sad sack AI mag.

Originally Posted by Longeye:
Originally Posted by Middlelength:

 

Negatives are not using an AR pattern trigger, and a pull that only ranges from 2.5-5 lbs, but that was a trade off in order to have a modular magazine with incredible flexibility on magazine type. I am sure Bill Geissele will be along soon with an improved trigger.

 

It retains a lot of key AR features, so user maintenance and familiarity are going to get high marks.

 

This is not an AR, although it superficially looks like one. That is good thing. It means you don't have to deal with the negatives of the AR trigger system, which exist even in a high end unit like a Geissele.

 

The Ruger trigger system was used because it was the best way to get from point A to B.

 

A 2.5 lb trigger release is plenty light enough if the trigger action is smooth and crisp. I don't worry about pull weight and haven't for years. The only reason it is used is because it is easy for laymen to quantify, and hard for companies to put a measurable glide factor on the trigger action.

 

I am unsure why they bothered to spend any time accommodating the legacy M-14 magazine or for that matter the sad sack AI mag.

All true. I look at it as a negative only from a commonality standpoint. The AR trigger simply wouldn't work in this system, but it would be great to know I could throw in any two stage I want to further customize.

 

As they release aftermarkets, I don't think this will matter much at all. The question is who is going to be the first one on this site to post a real review.

 

And the mags? Probably just to say they could. I'm not sure I understand either. Could be a desire to pull in customers already outfitted with AICS?

 

 I probably won't be the first to review this, but I am very interested in this rifle. It checks a lot of boxes and does it at price that even working class people can afford. It will make a neat truck gun.

 

I have been down the AICS road. I do not miss those problems at all. I think most AICS customer will be happy to trade mags at 3.5 to 1 for LR20's and get a mag that feeds reliably, retains rounds well, is compact, has very good (and common) mag pouch options and is less of a snag hazard.

Interesting concept.

 

I may have to get one in .243 Win... it has the right twist for Berger 105 Hybrids. At 22% of the price of my GAPs, it may be worth a look. Not expecting GAP accuracy, but it should be fun to play with.

 

Nice to see them thinking out of the box on this one.

 

 I just sold two bolt guns in 308, and really don't "need" another. But since when is need the deciding factor?

 It does look slick. If they sell one w/o the forearm, buttstock and pistol grip, I may be in for one.

 

Either way, it looks like a good entry rifle for those, that just wanna have a "sniper rifle" around. 

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Kudos to the guys that designed this.  I like the way various design features complemented each other.  Simplifying the recoil path by putting the stock in line with the receiver, bolt and barrel has been around with for decades with semi auto receivers, but the stock has always been attached to the lower receiver.  Nice that they combined a folding stock with the need to get it out of the way to retract the bolt.  Now the lower receiver is just a means to attach the trigger group and magazine.

 

It looks as thought they screwed a barrel extension onto the barrel.  The extension is held to the receiver by a bolt from underneath.  The bolt still locks into the receiver rather than the barrel extension so headspace won't be as easy to set.  It looks as though the barrel extension has to be locked into the receiver, bolt closed and the barrel screwed in until you get the right head space.  Then you can change barrels by just unlocking the barrel extension from the receiver. 

 

The lower receiver doesn't appear to be a particularly high stress component.  It's aluminum, but I wonder if it couldn't be polymer instead.  Hopefully the serial number is on the upper receiver.  There is great potential for a much lighter barrel and with a new bolt and lower, a caliber change to 5.56mm/7.62x39/.300 Blackout, etc.  It would be nice if you could get the weight down to 7-8lbs with a scope.

 

I think I'll be selling my Remington.

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I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

There is serious potential for reducing the bulk and weight on the lower, a simpler, lighter stock, lighter forearm, lighten the barrel and you've got a hell of a handy, accurate, simple, and should be, durable bolt action.  The 20moa rail is bolted to the receiver, so there could be options for a shorter range option with a level, uncanted rail.

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:

Kudos to the guys that designed this.  I like the way various design features complemented each other.  Simplifying the recoil path by putting the stock in line with the receiver, bolt and barrel has been around with for decades with semi auto receivers, but the stock has always been attached to the lower receiver.  Nice that they combined a folding stock with the need to get it out of the way to retract the bolt.  Now the lower receiver is just a means to attach the trigger group and magazine.

 

It looks as thought they screwed a barrel extension onto the barrel.  The extension is held to the receiver by a bolt from underneath.  The bolt still locks into the receiver rather than the barrel extension so headspace won't be as easy to set.  It looks as though the barrel extension has to be locked into the receiver, bolt closed and the barrel screwed in until you get the right head space.  Then you can change barrels by just unlocking the barrel extension from the receiver. 

 

The lower receiver doesn't appear to be a particularly high stress component.  It's aluminum, but I wonder if it couldn't be polymer instead.  Hopefully the serial number is on the upper receiver.  There is great potential for a much lighter barrel and with a new bolt and lower, a caliber change to 5.56mm/7.62x39/.300 Blackout, etc.  It would be nice if you could get the weight down to 7-8lbs with a scope.

 

I think I'll be selling my Remington.

Even better, the trigger group attaches to the upper, so the lower is basically just a magwell and attachment point for the safety and pistol grip.

Originally Posted by 4track:
Originally Posted by lew1zy:

...The fact that it can accept four different magazine styles (and double column, double feed, too) is icing on an already enticing cake...

 
I had read that, too, and wondered how they managed to engineer that type of compatibility.

My AI AX is backwards compatible with any past AI mag, either double or single stack. 

 

I didn't read which AI mag the RPR is compatible with as only the single stack AICS mag was pictured in the video, but I think the double stack AX mags allow the longest loading of a round. I can load my 260 Rems quiet long, which really allow me to take advantage of the cartridge. If you are stuck with an SR25 type mag you are better off with the 6.5 CM.

 

The RPR looks like the AIAX MC and a DPMS met in a truckstop and fornicated. It looks like it may have a 3 lug bold/60 deg throw like my AI. (in fact it looks like it borrowed a lot from the AI) I didn't read if it is switch barrel capable, but if not that will be a big gig given up to Savage for the lower end guns. You see a good number of Savage rifles in local comps from guys starting out. Coming from the factory with a threaded barrel. While that may seem nice, most precision rifle guys want the barrel threaded by a gunsmith who verifies the threads are concentric to the bore before shooting with a can. 

 

It looks like you should have no problem working the bolt without having to move your head or losing your cheekweld like I can with the AI, so that is a plus.

 

We'll just have to see how it shakes out. If you are going with a dedicated caliber (if it is not a SB gun) then I don't know. Lots of guys start out with 308 Win in PRS type matches, then after a few matches realize how much running a 6mm or 6.5mm helps boost you up in match rankings, then switch to another caliber over .308. I have a 16" 308 barrel for my AI as well as a 26" 260 Rem. The 260 is like shooting a 300 Win Mag w/o the recoil. Having run the shorter barrel 308 in matches for a while, then giving the 260 Rem a go, it was like cheating, especially past 700 yards.

 

That said, the 308 will make you a better shooter. I love the fact that guys like Joe Harris of the Mammoth Sniper Challenge try to limit calibers in their matches to mil/le calibers. Takes the equipment advantage away somewhat.

 

Reading on, I guess it is a switch barrel gun. 

 

As for weight, I'll bet with a Proof Research carbon fiber barrel it would be a light package.

 

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Barrel is indeed swap-able, not as fancy and fast as an AI but you don't need to send it out. I was looking at the Savage 6.5cm that goes for 1100 or so as its really the only option for a 6.5 gun. Other companies better look at what ruger is doing with this or they are going to be left way...way...behind.

Hmmmmm.  Want to try 6.5cm.  $5000 Surgeon Scalpel or $1000 Ruger.  Choice is pretty clear.  Yep, time to call Surgeon. (aww c'mon, you knew that was coming and actually I'm waiting for the LT Siete).

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Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

Other companies better look at what ruger is doing with this or they are going to be left way...way...behind.

This is very true. 

 

If Ruger compliments the rifle by getting out to the big and even local matches, making a strong presence known like how Bushnell, Vortex, and Thunderbeast, donating to the match prize pools and sponsoring shooters then they could very well kick ass and take names, especially with the lower budget side shooters.

 

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Originally Posted by Consigliere:

Hmmmmm.  Want to try 6.5cm.  $5000 Surgeon Scalpel or $1000 Ruger.  Choice is pretty clear.  Yep, time to call Surgeon. (aww c'mon, you knew that was coming and actually I'm waiting for the LT Siete).

Dude, if I was as Fly as you are, I would skip options A and B, going directly to C. An HK MSG6.5

 

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Frankly, if I see one in a gun shop, I'll likely buy it.  Just to see.  

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:
Originally Posted by Pesty0311:

I've been wanting to get into a 6.5cm for a while. The cost associated with building something like Ruger is offering factory has held me back. I will buy this rifle. The fact that if down the road I want to go back to 308 or to another caliber is awesome. The current rifles that allow me to do this are way out of my hobby long range shooting budget. This thing looks like win all the way around.

There is serious potential for reducing the bulk and weight on the lower, a simpler, lighter stock, lighter forearm, lighten the barrel and you've got a hell of a handy, accurate, simple, and should be, durable bolt action.  The 20moa rail is bolted to the receiver, so there could be options for a shorter range option with a level, uncanted rail.

One of the reviews I came across mentioned the potential for  polymer and/or skeletonized lower halves, so someone else is thinking on the same plane. 

 

The thing that I find most striking about this rifle is that there is so much potential, both out-of-the-box and with regard to modularity. A very forward-thinking concept while keeping feet firmly planted.

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Ruger has been very innovative in the last few years.  A few stumbles, but they remind me of Magpul in this regard.  I'm waiting for them to start building AK's.

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Well I started looking last night and found the few on GB, but they were priced higher than retail. I called a local FFL and talked to a guy at work that has an FFL and gave them marching orders to find me one. 

 

A a lot of people on other forums are hung up about the trigger. When I started in the precision game a couple years ago I started with a 700 and upgraded piece by piece as funds allowed and one of my fist upgrades besides a McRee chasis was a Timney 510. It was a huge improvement over stock and one of the upgrades I recomend for 700 user, but proper technique and a whole other host of issues are more important in long range shooting. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems some are looking for an issue when they probably can't out shoot the stock rifle. 

 

I have an EAG night precesion course coming up at the end of August and I hope to have one of these rifles before that. If I can't get a 6.5 I will consider another calibe. 

 

I I was in the process of compiling parts for a 6.5 or a .260 build and had bought a few donor rifles to use. Will probably be selling those to fund this and a pile of ammo and reloading supplies instead. As Red Jacket Firearms says "it's a game changer"

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Agree with you on the trigger and the rail should be able the be easily changed to whatever you want. 

 

I MAY have secured one in .243, but  won't know until tomorrow. If anyone wants a Remington PSS in 308 or a LTR barreled action in .223 I have them for sale. 

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Made the cover of American Rifleman.

 

They love every gun, but it did test extremely well in 6.5.

 

Wait until the initial release is over and the price settles down to actual msrp or better and I think this is a no-brainer for $1400.

 

I would buy one.

"A a lot of people on other forums are hung up about the trigger. When I started in the precision game a couple years ago I started with a 700 and upgraded piece by piece as funds allowed and one of my fist upgrades besides a McRee chasis was a Timney 510. It was a huge improvement over stock and one of the upgrades I recomend for 700 user, but proper technique and a whole other host of issues are more important in long range shooting. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems some are looking for an issue when they probably can't out shoot the stock rifle."

You're spot on.  Many who get hung upon these things aren't even regularly shooting out to 1,000 as a matter of routine.

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Originally Posted by jcustisredux:
...You're spot on.  Many who get hung upon these things aren't even regularly shooting out to 1,000 as a matter of routine.

My PSS has always been a 3/4 minute gun (nudging 1/4 moa with handloads), proven as I learned how to shoot better. But slowly getting a better trigger, better scopes, etc. etc. makes it easier for humans to get that accuracy out of it. 

 

Like everything, in every part of life, most people want the trick or magic pill for everything instead of learning techniques or god forbid: practicing. The RPR looks like it's damned good out of the box, but everyone has to find something to bitch about. 

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Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 It helps to practice with good kit to start with.

 

 I don't get the reverse elitism that goes on some places....better is fucking better.

God forbid we push our performance even further. By their logic, we should be using Mosin Nagants for precision rifle practice.

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Their Marksman trigger, for an 'out of the box adjustable' seems to be pretty decent. Far better than most factory 700 triggers I've tried.

 

All in all for a one-stop-shopping trip of a good precision bolt gun out of the box, I'd say they did very well. Geissele, Timney or someone else is probably already feverishly working to produce a better trigger for it. But realistically, maybe half of the users may ever need one. Can't fault Ruger with going with the "good enough for most" option to start.

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I just found out about these today at my local gun shop.  They got in two .308s that were already promised to folks and I was able to briefly examine one before it's new owner arrived. 

 

The trigger was much closer to 2.5 pounds than 5 out of the box.  I'm not a long range shooting guy but I have friends who are and I've shot their very expensive custom built rifles. The trigger isn't as good as one of those guns.  The RPR trigger has more take up and isn't as crisp as something like a high end custom bolt gun.  It is a hell of a lot better than the crap that Remington puts on the 700s and will work just fine for this rifles intended purpose and market demographic.  

 

The side folding stock and all of it's adjustment hardware seemed very well designed and sturdy while being easy to adjust.  The safety is located and works like a 45 degree AR safety.  It doesn't make much noise at all when manipulated. Everything about the rifle seemed very well thought out and located where it should be.  It felt solid and well made.

 

Retail at my favorite shop was $959 plus tax.   That seems like a heck of a deal for what you get IMHO.  Ruger is going to sell a ton of these things.  They are going to do to the entry level precision rifle market what they did to the pocket and compact pistol market. That is a good thing for consumers. 

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I just got back from a shop that had one, but was sold earlier today. It was in .243, but I was able to play with it. I have Timney 510's on two of my 700's and the trigger on the Ruger was not as nice, but I believe was better than the stock Remington offering. the options for adjustments on the stock are pretty good to. I was only able to play with it a little and dry fire a couple times with a snap cap. 

 

I saw someone on FB that got one and changed the stock to a Magpul PRS I think. Since you can change a lot of this rifle to your liking I think it checks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Overheard some people in the shop repeating what they read on the Internet and I had to refrain from commeting. Ruger put this out in an attempt to get more people into shooting LR. LR shooting is expensive and turns a lot of people away. Some were saying with this rifle you would still be outshot by guys with custom rigs which I somewhat agree with, but again these were not top shooters to begin with. 

 

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I have one on order in 6.5.

I went to my local range today and they had one in .243 up on the wall for sale. The salesgirl (who was hot as hell) asked me all kinds of questions about it - she said it was getting A LOT of attention.

It is heavy. I was in a busy shop so I did not shoulder it. The action seemed to be good - not tight but not loose. I do not know what the trigger was set at but it was fairly light and had a nice break to it. While overall it seemed to be well built but I did find an "issue".

The safety in it fit EXTREMELY loose and rattled around like crazy. Loose like someone grabbed the wrong drill bit loose. Did any of you guys that checked them out notice this too?

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The one I looked at had a "loose" safety but it didn't rattle when I shook it. One of the reviewers on SH said his was loose as well and he replaced it with a different AR safety and corrected the proble, but did not totally eliminate the issue. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

If you go to the Ruger website and look under the tab for "Challenge" there is a place where owners can upload pictures of there targets fired from the RPR.

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Finally got to see one myself in .308 today.  I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, especially when as many have mentioned getting into the long range game is second only to machine guns in cost.  I mean you can get the whole rifle for less than the cost of  DTA barrel for the SRS.

 

It is heavy but so what, it's not a running around gun for the most part although some may hunt or compete with it.  Most of these are going to be shot off a bench.  It's  modularity may let you get lighter barrels anyway if you like.

 

The trigger was light and decently crisp but not a Timney/Jewell.  Don't know what can be done to it, if anything.  The safety was loose now that you guys mention it.  I wasn't really paying attention.  The stock is nicely adjustable and seems pretty sturdy.  The bolt wasn't bad, not too slick but both the action and trigger were better than what Remington is chucking out these days,

 

If you haven't tried long distance shooting, this is a good way to get in without breaking the bank and if you end up not liking it, you're not in so deep that you will get crushed selling it.  For me, I want to try 6.5CM.  I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308.  It is five times the price of the Ruger.  Getting the RMR for $900 let's me try the caliber without having to worry about bailing out and selling a $4000 rifle.  Hopefully it comes in soon.

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I saw this rifle last week on Snipershide.  Frank did a review over there and seemed to really like it.  For anyone who doesn't know Frank, he doesn’t do fluff reviews, and will tell you if a product is crap.   

 

I already have a couple rifle projects taking up my time this summer, but once the initial frenzy dies down and online prices drop from MSRP I am going to pick up a 6.5CM.  I also want to see some more accuracy reports, and see if Ruger has any teething issues.

 

Things I really love so far:

-Magazine compatibility:  I have a box of PMAGs that run my AR10 rifles with.  Being able to use them is awesome.  Dropping 80 bucks on an AI magazine is not.

-AR compatible rails and “Armorer change barrels”: I’m really hoping some high end smiths make compatible barrels that are plug in play (minus head spacing).

-AR pistol grip, rear stock and safety:  Being able to customize the rifle similarly to current ARs in the gun safe is a huge plus for me. 

-Price: A sub 1K rifle, that already has a magazine and chassis system, and shoots sub ¾” MOA is a good deal, and will bring a lot of new shooters into the PRS world. 

-Competition: Hopefully this urges Remington to get off their butts and make an affordable PRS rifle. 

-Threaded and ready for a suppressor…. Friends don’t let friends shoot unsuppressed.

-Weight, IMHO the weight is fine.  heavy enough for a good precision rifle, and still light enough for backpacking. 

-Folding stock for portability

 

Things I don’t love:

-I was hoping the 308 barrel would have a faster twist then 1/10”.

-I wish the 6.5CM barrel was 26”.

-I perfer M-LOK, but keymod is atleast better then full 1913 rails. 

-Aftermarket trigger options

-bolt capture folding stock (obviously wouldn't work with how the bolt is removed).

 

If reviews are good, I will definitely be picking up a 6.5CM, and once that barrel is toast, I will probably rebarrel it with a fast twist 308 barrel, and then buy another 6.5CM rifle.   

A thought just occurred to me.

 

The action is the Ruger American rifle action.  The 3-lug bolt is what makes it feasible to use the Pmag/SR25 magazine.  One of the complaints about the Ruger GSR (mine and others) is the single column magazine.  It occurs to might it wouldn't take a lot of work to adapt the conventional American rifle to use Pmags as well. 

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"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

Originally Posted by Consigliere:

I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, 

Bill's dead and long gone, as evidenced plainly by the very fact that this rifle ever came to light.

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Originally Posted by lew1zy:
Originally Posted by Consigliere:

I can pretty much get it for a few percent over cost if I want.  If you can forget Ruger's AW stance way back when, this is a very nice rifle for the $$$, 

Bill's dead and long gone, as evidenced plainly by the very fact that this rifle ever came to light.

Like I said, if you can get over it.  You have.  Here's a cookie.

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Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

Well, that's why you get the big bucks.  Never thought of that.  Thank you Sir!

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I don't have a specific scope recommendation, but I'd venture to suggest that those who had already budgeted a certain amount for a rifle and glass, this is an opportunity to put those savings from the rifle int glass you thought was out of your budget range.

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Originally Posted by Dorsai:
I don't have a specific scope recommendation, but I'd venture to suggest that those who had already budgeted a certain amount for a rifle and glass, this is an opportunity to put those savings from the rifle int glass you thought was out of your budget range.

^^^^^ This

 

Money spent on quality glass is money well spent. Roll the savings on the rifle into the scope fund. Don't think you have the budget for good glass? Then save some more. You will be happier in the long run.

 

 Me and my good friend Dan slightly differ in out opinion on the scopes.

 

 No doubt, if you can make the stretch, good glass is good glass. But for some, that's just not in the cards. You can see the various threads on budget rifles here and on other forums.

 

I would much rather see someone buy this rifle, and say, a Vortex HS-T and a case of Fed GMM and start shooting and enjoying the gun and sport, then trying to save for a Premier Heritage.

 

All depends on your budget and proposed use. If buying the Ruger cuts less into your projected budget, then by all means buy better glass, ....or more ammo.

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Originally Posted by R.Moran:

 

 Me and my good friend Dan slightly differ in out opinion on the scopes.

 

 No doubt, if you can make the stretch, good glass is good glass. But for some, that's just not in the cards. You can see the various threads on budget rifles here and on other forums.

 

I would much rather see someone buy this rifle, and say, a Vortex HS-T and a case of Fed GMM and start shooting and enjoying the gun and sport, then trying to save for a Premier Heritage.

 

All depends on your budget and proposed use. If buying the Ruger cuts less into your projected budget, then by all means buy better glass, ....or more ammo.

IMHO the Burris XTR II's with the SCR MIL reticle and 10 mil/turn knobs are a fantastic value and match up nicely to the Ruger's capabilities and price point. I have the 4-20 and am very happy with it. Frank Galli on Sniper's Hide used one in his review of the Ruger and has nothing but good things to say about the scope.

 

The glass is not S&B or Tangent Theta quality, but then again you're not going to use the scope to differentiate plumage on a woodpecker at 500 yards... The Burris scopes track accurately, have very useful reticles, and provide a "good enough" sight image to get the job done at 1000 yards. And with the current $100 rebate or a free set of rings, Burris is giving you a heck of a lot of value.

When I refer to good glass, it don't only refer to Premier/TT/S&B.

 

The Bushnell Elite Tactical Series scopes are very well represented in the Precision Rifle Series... feature packed with very good glass for a reasonable price. The First Generation Steiner Military scopes are very good as well...although large for the magnification.

 

You can also save some coin by finding one used. If you qualify for MIL/LE discounts or forum membership discounts, the price becomes more reasonable.

I have become a big fan of the Vortex line of products. LE/MIL discounts make them more attractive. I have one of these Ruger's in 6.5 on order, have no ETA, and plan to put a Vortex of some flavor on it. This will allow me to use the money I have been saving for a custom rifle to instead buy the Ruger and Vortex, ammo, another PR class, and maybe some reloading supplies.

 

The Bushnell Elite Tactical line is also a very nice option. I recently bought a slightly used model and I'm very happy.

 

  

 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

http://precisionrifleblog.com/...est-results-summary/

 

This is a question that comes up a lot, and it is worth repeating the link above and recommend reading it. It is one of the best, most comprehensive reviews of tactical scopes so far.

 

Long range shooting is impossible without good glass, but can be done without going bankrupt.

 

Vortex, Bushnell, Burris all have offerings that will get you in the game.

 

It bears repeating; get .1 mil turrets with a reticle subtended in mils. Even if you don't understand why now, when you get training it will.

 

 This is an ongoing discussion in just about every flavor of shooting, probably most things in life.....

 Another friend of mine started shooting rimfire silhouette as a kid with a BSA scope & CCI SV ammo...forget what basic bolt gun he used.

 Now he shoots with a Custom stocked Annie and Leupold.

 

Go to a Bullseye forum and some of the sniper type forums...and you'll see comments about "this is an expensive sport, if you can't afford it don't bother"..etc.

 

 Will a $3K bullseye gun be more competitive, absolutely.....but if a shooter can't afford that, or is unwilling to try a sport at that price, should he just be turned away from the country club?

 A lightly tuned Springfield RO for about $1K may allow you to start shooting. Once you start showing up to the range or matches, people will almost always help you out, show you what works for them, loan you gear, offer to sell you guns and optics they may have moved on from.

 

I think this Ruger may go a long ways to getting more people into the long range game.

 A lot of guys would ask me about a "sniper" rifle...and set a limit of about $1K....when I get finished laughing, I try to explain to them the difficulty in that. Work out some pricing to get  them in at budget. I explain what they are giving up at that price point, most forget about it and buy another big screen or jet ski. 

 

 Now if, I can say, ya know what, stretch that by a few hundred, and you can have a very capable rifle, with an OKish scope, that is much simpler to upgrade then a new gun..I might be able to convince people to join the ranks of precision shooters....hell, maybe I'll join them.

 

I use a similar approach when I'm asked about an AR or carry gun. 

 

I don't play the "just as good as" game, I am may play the "good enough for now" game.

 

I see it all the time, the price of what most here would call a middle of the road scope, floors people. A lot insist its just the name, blah blah blah, some accept that they are great scopes, but just won't make the stretch, and some will.

 

 Me, I'd rather have a complete gun, I can shoot now, then a pile of saved money that I can't do anything with.....I mean what if the zombies come?

 

Do I go for the cheap skank I can afford, or save for the high class escort?

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I'm using super snipers right now. They are good scopes for the money. The bushnell seems to be great for what it costs. Now I'm unsure about the nightforce. I'd almost rather spend the money on good glass now and upgrade the rifle when and if I ever need to. But I'm asking myself do I need the nf....don't think I do. First world problems.
Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I was thinking along your lines.  It seems pretty impressive for what you pay...and I think it will turn out to be exactly that.  Someone will make some different barrel choices and it looks like Ruger has a hit.

 

After consulting with some SME's (and thank you very much) I decided to rebarrel my Scalpel in .260 Remington.  When I took a step back from the "Ooooo...something shiny" initial impression that so many of us do here (like moi), I remembered that 90% of my .308 shooting is done with my old 16" LT OBR.  Mine...and God bless Mark...is a freaking hammer.  Anything that someone like me is trying to hit with a .308, especially at the ranges available here in The Land that God Forsook, can be done with the OBR.

 

The Surgeon is just too nice to let languish since I really love using it.  Having a nice long range available in NY is right up the .260's alley.  (My Scalpel's current .308 barrel is only 18.5".  Perfect for CT, not so much for the distances I can use in NY).  Since I'm a  "shoot steel, not groups" kind of guy, the .260 makes sense and is easier on my piggy bank and body than lobbing .338LM/.408CT rounds down range for a session.

 

So I'm waiting for Surgeon to get back to me on a 26", fluted, 1/8 or quicker RH twist barrel with a legacy SF 7.62 SS MB on it so I can use my can.  My brother of all people might get the Ruger.  If he does, I'd like to see it side by side with my rifle.  I bet it would fare pretty well.

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Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I'm having  the same problem.  I also see redundancy with my LMT308 setup.  The LMT was the last rifle that knock me off by feet when it first came out and is still high on my best rifle list.

 

Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

 

Originally Posted by pbjb:
Originally Posted by The Rat:

This rifle looks extremely well-executed, and for a good price. I find myself wanting one, but also realize that it would be completely redundant with my LMT308 setup.

I'm having  the same problem.  I also see redundancy with my LMT308 setup.  The LMT was the last rifle that knock me off by feet when it first came out and is still high on my best rifle list.

 

 

I too have an LMT (20" SS Match in 6.5CM, 18" SS Match in 308, and a 14.5" CL in 308).  I only have 42 rounds down my 6.5 CM barrel, but with just basic reloads (book data for 142 SMK) the rifle is shooting sub ¾” 5 shot groups at 100 yards.

 

I see the redundancy, but will definitely be picking one of these up as soon as the market prices go back to retail, and not full blown MSRP.  I feel it will be a great training tool for the wife, son, and other family members that want to get into PRS competitions or just shoot some steel at distance.  Obviously AR rifles are harder to master, so I will set up the “RPR” ergonomics to an almost identical replica to my LMT… hopefully that will be a good starting point for them, before tackling

 

I’m also hoping barrels will be cheaper to replace instead of LMT’s $600+ SS match barrels…. I’m just happy I didn’t start my REM 700 6.5CM build yet!

On another forum there is a guy who has already had his re-barreled by Hawk Hill rifles. I have no idea the cost. 

 

There is a website deguns.net that is selling the 6.5cm version for $1,199.00 for the month of August. Says they have 80 in stock when I checked, but I have no idea of there actual in stock count. Gunbroker is full of them for inflated prices. 

 

Im interesTed to see if/when these rifles show up in competitions and how they do. I'm sure some are out there, but I have not read any accounts. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Originally Posted by lpd5408:

On another forum there is a guy who has already had his re-barreled by Hawk Hill rifles. I have no idea the cost. 

 

There is a website deguns.net that is selling the 6.5cm version for $1,199.00 for the month of August. Says they have 80 in stock when I checked, but I have no idea of there actual in stock count. Gunbroker is full of them for inflated prices. 

 

Im interesTed to see if/when these rifles show up in competitions and how they do. I'm sure some are out there, but I have not read any accounts. 

 

That's good news regarding Hawk Hill.  I have a buddy that had a 338 Norma built by them, and he loves it.  Coudl you PM me the link to the site?


Thanks for the deguns link.  It's tempting, but after hearing of guys buying them online for $950.00 I'll probably just wait until the hype/demand drops off. Some of the Gunbroker prices are crazy.  I saw some sell for over $1,500.... for that price I could buy a RPR and a G19!

 

 

 

I have considered/wanted to get a precision rifle for a while. This seems like it would be a great starting point. However, I would be more interested if the rifle didn't have ruger stamped, engraved, molded or written on every part. Seems just weird to me. Am I the only one? Maybe it's just my ocd.
Originally Posted by domestique:
Thanks for the deguns link.  It's tempting, but after hearing of guys buying them online for $950.00 I'll probably just wait until the hype/demand drops off. Some of the Gunbroker prices are crazy.  I saw some sell for over $1,500.... for that price I could buy a RPR and a G19!

Deguns.net is out...  Which tells me there's a metric shit ton of them out on the street.  Maybe by Christmas the prices will be more palatable.

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Curse my lack of research.....had a 700LTR on layaway, paid it off riiiiight about the time I heard about the RPR. The Ruger looks like a much better fit for what I wanna do. Scheisse.

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Originally Posted by Longeye:

Here is a good article with disassembled pictures and intelligent commentary:

http://www.realguns.com/articles/726.htm

It is refreshing to see a well done gun review like this one.

Great article, thanks for posting that (but of course now I 'need' one)

I really like what looks to be a quick change barrel, or at least somewhat fast change barrel. It looks like a lot of thought went into the features. I look forward to the reviews once they fall into LF's hands.

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At this point it looks like this rifle will be amazingly popular and bring a lot of other firearms companies in line.

 

The customers are asking for parts and magazine commonality between platforms, common controls, and barrels that are easy to swap and rebarrel. Ruger put all of that in one rifle. Its amazing that this paired with a Burris XTRII or Vortex suddenly lets you be competitive at the long distance game for 1/3 of what it used to cost. That and the twist rates of the barrels are already set for this kind of shooting.

 

I just have to decide between .243 or 6.5... And maybe soon I can just get one, drop $400 and have barrels for the other two.

I have one in 6.5 on layaway, a G19 Gen 4 and that are my first purchase's when I roll in town on sunday.

 

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For those interested:

 

An RPR, chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, is on the cover of the October 2015 S.W.A.T Magazine, with a nice feature article on it, by Robbie Barrkman.

 

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According to the post on The Site That Shall Not Be Named, that is exactly the case.  The 6.5 is a run away freight train right now.

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Originally Posted by Buford Boone:

"I have my eye on a Surgeon Scalpel like my .308."

 

If I had a Surgeon Scalpel in .308 and I wanted to explore the 6.5 world in the most economical way, I'd simply have them make me a .260 barrel for my current rifle.

 

I have a Surgeon with two bolts and two barrels.  I had them cerakote the 5.56 bolt/barrel black and the .308 stuff in OD Green.  I can change calibers with minimal or no tools.

^ This. 

 

To be honest I would just roll on down this route. You will love the 6.5 CM. I do not know anyone other than pure traditionalist who shoots a 6.5mm of any flavor and turns back to the .308. Granted there are many reasons to go with a .308, but pure shooting and ballistics wise the 6.5mm wins.

 

You owning a rifle that could easily be swapped to 6.5CM I would definitely go that route. Or sell the Scalpel and buy an AXMC and pack it into a brief case. This thing was damn near built for Court days.

 

 

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Sure,

 

The rifle is topped with a Burris MTAC 4.5 X 14 on Burris high mount rings; this was originally on my LMT 308.  Switch over pretty well. 

The 20 MOA rail cause me to bring the scope down by about 30 clicks to start.

 

I shot with Federal XM80CL 149 grain FMJ, German military ammo; I believe its 149  grain FMJ and Wolf 145 grain FMJ.

 

I shot the Federal the best with Wolf following.  The German ammo opened up, not sure if it was ammo or me.  I will have to try it again.

 

I used both Pmags and AI mags.  The AI’s are the same ones I use in my Ruger scout rifle

 

Sorry no pictures of targets.  I would be guessing the shoot group sizes, next time out I will mesure the shoot groups.

 

The rifle if very comfortable to shoot, I have a PWS break on it.  The stock adjusted well, it was just different.  I never used an adjustable stock before.  I used a Harris bipod.

 

It is a fun rifle to shoot, I’m glad I got it and I have no complaints.

 

Let me know if you have and questions. 

Newbie question here - I just got my RPR in 6.5. I can get one of these for $849 open box -

http://www.vortexoptics.com/pr...mrad-reticle/reticle

I have never done any precision shooting. I want glass that is not garbage but I am not looking to spend fat stacks right now. Is the above glass for that price a good choice?

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EzGoingKev posted:

Newbie question here - I just got my RPR in 6.5. I can get one of these for $849 open box -

http://www.vortexoptics.com/pr...mrad-reticle/reticle

I have never done any precision shooting. I want glass that is not garbage but I am not looking to spend fat stacks right now. Is the above glass for that price a good choice?

I don't know how much time you have on your hands but if you shop around and or are willing to buy used look for a bushnell DMR.  I have both vortex PST and the DMR and the DMR is better glass and range of magnification. The pst wins if you need illumination or can get mil/le pricing otherwise go DMR.  I picked my DMR up for $850 +shipping . Now back to your regularly scheduled program......

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PRB did do a great review, more  honest than most I've seen. One big point that struck me as a major disappointment was the handguard shift off center. Pretty sure we wouldn't accept that from a similarly priced platform, having to drop another 150-180 to replace it with a Midwest or Seekins forend is just that much less available for glass or what not. Add to the stock wobble that developed in that authors rifle makes me leary. Yeah yeah yeah, its an entry level platform but daaa-um, seems to me to be moderate flaws that could be fairly easily resolved by Ruger. 

I'm thinking I'll give it another year and see what comes, especially if they roll out a .338 itteration and th e chassis beef up they'll have to apply to support .338. Might induce the fixes needed for the current itteration. 

Still, this is the first "affordable" bolt gun platform  I've seen in the last 10 years that has the bolt gun itch flaring up to nearly irresistible levels. Might be the right stepping off point before I jump on the Desert Tactical band wagon. 

No experience on the RPR but: 

After some investigation, I noticed the machining was very rough on the cam’s locking collar, and it appeared friction from that rough spot had frozen it in in place. A drop of gun grease solved this issue, and allowed it move freely.

90% of the mechanical things I own (guns or otherwise) are  like this. Almost everything can use a little more lube, so a new device like this I'd have pulled apart and oiled or greased up before even using it. So I blame Ruger for this no more than everyone. 

(8% of the mechanical items I have come with too much or the wrong lubricant on them.) 

 

My PSS still wears the factory stock and it's significantly left of center to the barrel. It doesn't contact, so no issues (and mine is close to 0.25 MOA at best). I am trying to figure out the mechanism of failure for the forearm in the review. Just being off center doesn't seem like it should do this, so it's a symptom of something else? 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

I don't claim to be an expert in this field so, take my likes and dislikes in their context.  I still like the RPR and intend to get one.  I don't like the buttstock and never have.  Yes, it appears easily adjustable and that's good.  But everything is hanging out in the open, subject to dust, impact, snagging, etc.  In short, it appears good for the bench to me, but not so much if you are going out in the dirt.  We had one in the store recently that I missed out on.  Too slow, not enough spare $$ at the time.  It had a Magpul PRS stock.  .308.  Everyone talks great stuff about the 6.5, but I don't have a ready source for the ammo and I don't handload it.  Is it available commercially?

The looseness of the folding stock doesn't sound good, but what the blog didn't say was how often the stock was folded.  If it was folded on a frequent basis, I could see friction causing it and one might have to consider whether you need to fold it as much...while waiting for the fix/upgrade.  If the play developed just from shooting the rifle without frequent folding, that's a more significant issue to me, and one that should have been caught before releasing the rifle for sale.  I'll keep an eye out for more reviews and see if it crops up elsewhere.

I have never looked at the handguard for off center and flex.  I have a long Troy rail on a 20" AR and it will flex without a lot of force.  I originally had a front sight on the rail and rail issues made it a no go.  I cut a notch in the top and reinstalled the standard FSB.  Different rifle, but I was taking a class one time and had a Harris bipod mounted on the forend  I thought it would be an asset when shooting under time at 200yds.  At the buzzer, drop to prone, get your shots.  What I found, was that if I wasn't dead on with the bipod and had to load it slightly to one side or another, the shots would spread horizontally.  I think it was due to torquing on the bipod and how it affected the recoil impulse angle.  This seems similar to what the blog references with handguard alignment and flex.

Snipershide did another review and also changed out some stuff.  PRS stock, LRI barrel, handguard and bolt shroud, Magpul grip, Seekins safety.  Start counting on your fingers and they kept the receiver, bolt, trigger group and the lower receiver/magwell.  Great groups, but I thought the point of the RPR is that you didn't have to do all that?

Barrel changes appear straight forward, but I need to find out about the receiver blocks for the action.  Get your go/no go gauges and you're good to go.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

I re-read the blog and his consensus was that it was a good rifle for the price.  One of the comments spurred some thought.  Another hundred dollars into the gun would have made it better from the factory.  That's true.  It's true of damn near everything that you can spend more and more and it will be incrementally better every time, some increments larger than others. 

If you are building and pricing something to sell, a manufacturer has to consider the niche he's building for.  The price-to-quality ratio should be good for that niche.  If you incorporate higher quality, more expensive options, then you run the risk of pricing it outside the niche, but not enough quality for the higher niche.  80/20 rule applies.  80% cost increase to achieve a 20% performance improvement.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

6.5 is commercially available through Copper Creek Ammunition and Hornady but sells quickly.

LRI has started selling 6.5 barrels for the RPR, but they are pricey. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Take this for what it is worth with a sample size of ONE.  We have been playing with a RPR chambered in .308 Winchester, and color me not very impressed.  The one we were shooting would not stabilize heavier .308 bullets.  It will end up being a consistent 1 MOA gun with 168 grain handloads.   I have not got to shoot it past 600 yards yet.  I definitely like the ergonomics, and the factory trigger isn't bad either.  Maybe I had my expectations set too high for the platform, but Ruger did hype this as precision rifle.  Before I make a final determination, I want to shoot a few more of them. 

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CallMeShooter posted:

 The one we were shooting would not stabilize heavier .308 bullets.  It will end up being a consistent 1 MOA gun with 168 grain handloads ... Before I make a final determination, I want to shoot a few more of them. 

I would try a factory box B4 ya make that final determination.  175gr hpbt should be well below MOA

(LINK 308win SHLowlight) http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5531-range-report/14210018-prime-ammunition-260rem-6-5cm?page=3

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Ours is chambered in a 308. We tried a half a dozen different factory loads out of it, and none were less than 1 MOA.   Some of those included high end match ammo. But like I said, I've only been able to try out one.   

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