Show us your Class/Personal Preparedness loadout!

Much like our Fighting Loadout thread, except for Classes/home defense/SHTF/Zombies.

We recognize that not everyone is on the pointy end of the spear, but that doesn't mean one can't enjoy hitting the one-way range for some serious training or be prepared for the worst situations life throws our way. We've all got something we can learn or pass on to others.

If you're not current military, LEO, or PMC, this thread is for you.

Show us your Training/Class kit, your "bump in the night" kit, your TEOTWAWKI kit, your Zombie kit, whatever you feel like calling it. Tell us what it is and explain why you chose it; you may be helping out other members make their choices.

Lets get the rules straight right now. Obey them or don't post. The bolded text is rather important, so pay attention to it.

Classes or Preparedness rigs ONLY! In other words, we better not see shots taken from a hooch in the Sandbox or the last SWAT call-out. There's already a thread for the MIL/LEO/PMC guys, and this one isn't it.

ABSOLUTELY NO GAMERS! No paintball, no airsoft, no mil-sim, etc. If it falls into "game" status, it better not show up here. If we even catch a hint of the above, YOU WILL BE BANNED. Period. End of discussion.

No bullshit discussions. Questions regarding the equipment, etc. are fine. Anything else, take it to PM's.

Don't quote the entire photo spread. Guys, we saw in the Fighting Loadout thread where guys would quote a member's full 10 photo spread a dozen times just to say stuff like "Cool!" or "Damn dude that's badass!". Unless you have a specific question about the kit, please just quote/write the orignal poster's name. If you have a question regarding the kit and feel as though you must include the photo to clarify, quote just that specific photo.

We don't need to see the same kit spread for 3 pages.

It better be dirty! Standard Stud Board rules apply. Wink

This is a present for the Non-Mil/LEO/PMC folks; don't shit all over it.

Edited for Rules update.
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ABSOLUTELY NO GAMERS! No paintball, no airsoft, no mil-sim, etc. If it falls into "game" status, it better not show up here. If we even catch a hint of the above, YOU WILL BE BANNED. Period. End of discussion.


DOL,
I guess you'll get two real replies then. haha.

Wild Bill
I'll bite.

A zeroed carbine is at the top of my list....and I try to zero it with the lot of ammo I'll be using at the class. (went to a Larry Vickers AK class and there were some issues for multiple students ). If I'm spending the time and money for a class, I will bring a backup carbine.

A few things come to mind......
No chest rigs for me. They get in my way. YMMV. A couple of Kydex mag pouches are fine- I really like SKD's line.
Dump pouch.
A bandana and hand towel.
Lube
Leatherman or similar tool
Gloves (Camelbak fast-fit or Mechanix)
Knee pads
Spare batteries for the RDS
Broken shell extractor
Good ear pro.
backup set of Oakley or Revision eye pro
latex gloves for brass pickup
Cooler with ice and cold drinks- water, Gatorade, Red Bull, etc; powerbars, pistachios, sammiches, bacon, pulled pork, etc
Individual first aid kit- some guys (admirably) show up with 18D-level kit but don't have a Band-aid they can quickly access.
I'd like instructor to notify the class of nearest hospital and what to do if someone becomes THAT guy.
I'll throw mine on here, sorry for the crappy cell phone pics, but this looked like a good idea and I wanted to jump onboard.

The belt kit is almost identical to how I used it while deployed last year. The only differences were the holster (I used the same manufacturer, but had a 2-3 inch drop and 0 degree cant for my M9 to clear armor), the IFAK was on my chest rig, and I carried a 20 round PMAG on my belt (again, to work around the armor).

The belt is an unknown (marked poseidon, seems to be similar to the Ares rigger belts) but it is thick, has a kydex strip for stiffness, and a single row of molle webbing. I got it from RIAFDNAL here for a song when I was getting ready for a deployment about 2 years ago and looking for something that was more like a duty belt than a big padded "battle belt". The Cobra buckle is awesome and the belt is indestructible. The holster and mag pouch are from NTAC Holsters. Great guys, great quality, somewhat locally made. The pistol mag pouch behind my pistol is just to hold a multi tool and my 6p, all reloads come from the black kydex pouches. The mag pouch is a COTS "speed reload pouch". I'm not sure of the manufacturer, but this was a leftover from my last deployment. The IFAK is a small Spec Ops GP pouch with a velcro closure that contains an izzy dressing, a cinch tight, some curlex, some quick clot, and a rubber TQ. The TQ on the front of my belt is a CAT and is attached with a couple boot bands, the same way I carried it on my kit in Iraq as well.

The pistol is a run of the mill G4 Glock 17 with a TLR1. The light hasn't made a difference in any way in terms of reliability, mine seems to run as well as any of the others mentioned in the Secondary Weapons thread. Mags are all factory and the pistol is bone stock, with the exception of a blacked out rear sight.

Rifle is a M&P15r with a Larue 7.0 rail system a Magpul AFG that I'm giving a shot, and one of M4Gurus light mounts with a Surefire E2. The sling is a VTAC with a quick detach button for the forward attachment point. The Eotech is just on there til it breaks (been waiting just over 5 years now...). I would love to throw another M2 on there or a T1 but I just don't have the cash and this just keeps running for me. BUIS is a Matech. This rifle setup is just about ideal for me with the possible exception of a 9 inch rail instead of a 7 inch. The AFG hanging a bit of the end seems to give me enough room and is a lot more solid than just letting my KAC rail covers hang off the end like I had been doing before. The rifle is more reliable than I expected while using C Products mags and shitty surplus ammo. It does need to be cleaned after shooting or it will lock up, but for the cost of the ammo and the reliable functioning, it's an inconvenience I'm willing to work around.

So far, this setup has worked well for me.


ETA: can't get the pics to work, I'll give it a shot later...
Just a head's up: "Show Us..." means "photos".

Those of us who know must save those that don't from those that think they do.

"If you count 'three', mister, you'll never hear the man count 'ten'".-John Wayne as Sean Thornton in The Quiet Man

My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.-Exodus 22:24

Here is my "preparedness" rig. I'm still working on it.

SOE M4/AK chest rig
1 x Diamondback 4 mag 1911 pouch
2 x Diamondback 1/2 M4 pouches
1 x Paraclete signal pouch
2 x Paraclete grenade pouches(used for extra storage of small stuff like a compass, extra batts, ect.
Safariland holster
Surefire Echo knife
Streamlight mini sidewinder






Mods, my pics look a "little" big. Let me know if there two big bandwidth wise and I will resize or delete. I don't want to waste bandwidth on nonessential posts.
Here was the most recent chest-rig:

plain-jane Mayflower UW GenIII, upgraded to a GenIV since then.



My original; ATS warbelt and Romie Low-pro chest rig w/BFG 10 speed.

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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
Night Owl

How do you like that Safariland MLS? Got enough room for a good draw up there?

I put mine on a war belt and it feels a bit awkward at the draw after having used a drop leg. Noticed the MLS gives one that extra clearance on the draw if wearing a vest.

 

 

"You want fashion advice? I'm sure the Fashion Channel has your name all over it.

Last time I checked, this was Lightfighter, not Vogue. Worrying about how you are  dressed in a hippie-zone. Really?"

 

yetibob, after 8 pages of fashion buzz. LMAO

 

Joined: 8/09       Location: Behind enemy lines in MD. planing my exfil. 

 

Here is my stuff. It's been through a few classes and works for my needs.
TT one piece Mav and X harness. I added a fastex buckle on the back so I can now don it from the side as I would a plate carrier, makes it much easier.

and the belt is a old model ICE.
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Originally posted by ateixeira:
Night Owl

How do you like that Safariland MLS? Got enough room for a good draw up there?

I put mine on a war belt and it feels a bit awkward at the draw after having used a drop leg. Noticed the MLS gives one that extra clearance on the draw if wearing a vest.


Its not ideal by any means. I can draw & re-holster but its taken some practice since its so high up. Basically, I am new to all of the the new gear out these days. I was in from 88-92(24th ID LRSD). All we has was old school LBE. I was trying to avoid a war belt for two reasons.

1. I find it more comfortable to have my waist and leg free.
2. If I am wearing a pack I can use the belt system.

As far as the Safariland holster.... It seems rock solid on my rig. No movement when drawing and it comes off/ on real easy. If you had a pals thigh rig it would transfer well.
quote:
Originally posted by Duke:
Here was the most recent chest-rig:

plain-jane Mayflower UW GenIII, upgraded to a GenIV since then.




Duke, what kind of bottle is that in your rig?

Looks like mouthwash Big Grin

Looking in my bar I cant ID that one.

 

 

"You want fashion advice? I'm sure the Fashion Channel has your name all over it.

Last time I checked, this was Lightfighter, not Vogue. Worrying about how you are  dressed in a hippie-zone. Really?"

 

yetibob, after 8 pages of fashion buzz. LMAO

 

Joined: 8/09       Location: Behind enemy lines in MD. planing my exfil. 

 

quote:
Originally posted by Medic42:
ateixeira, the answer to you question lies here.


NICE....

Thanks

 

 

"You want fashion advice? I'm sure the Fashion Channel has your name all over it.

Last time I checked, this was Lightfighter, not Vogue. Worrying about how you are  dressed in a hippie-zone. Really?"

 

yetibob, after 8 pages of fashion buzz. LMAO

 

Joined: 8/09       Location: Behind enemy lines in MD. planing my exfil. 

 

I guess I can play with this one. All OSOE Gear
- Frog Rig
- 4 DA Gen II Adjustable Lid Pouches
- Verticle Tear Off VOK
- Admin Pouch
- Single Point Bungee Sling
- Arsenal 107UR SBR w/ Ergo Grip and Metal Triangle Folder. Armor Black Cerakote by Parabellum Inc.
Used this in TR Fighting Rifle Class and it's my Zombie Hoard Rig as well.......


NightOwl, how do you like the SF Echo fixed blade. Haven't heard much from end users of the knife but I like it's design and the material they use.
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"Rule #1: Be a fucking Warrior, every fucking day, in every fucking thing you do.  Be a fucking Warrior!

Rule #2:  Support your men.

Rule #3:  TEAMWORK!  Team dynamics are absolutely important.  Know your men and support them in every way."

-Jim Gant
Well, I was gonna post my training rig pics, but then I see Jeff's action shot. Guess that idea's out the window now. Show off.

Those of us who know must save those that don't from those that think they do.

"If you count 'three', mister, you'll never hear the man count 'ten'".-John Wayne as Sean Thornton in The Quiet Man

My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.-Exodus 22:24

You guys get a free Glamourshots pic with the purchase of that rig, doncha?

Those of us who know must save those that don't from those that think they do.

"If you count 'three', mister, you'll never hear the man count 'ten'".-John Wayne as Sean Thornton in The Quiet Man

My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.-Exodus 22:24

quote:
Originally posted by Sandman307:
NightOwl, how do you like the SF Echo fixed blade. Haven't heard much from end users of the knife but I like it's design and the material they use.


I've had it a couple of years now and its a nice knife. Handle has a nice shape and grip, and the blade keeps an edge very well. The serrations are great for cutting rope. No issues with rust at all so far although I haven't exposed it to salt water. The sheath(tech lock) is great. You can use it on a belt or with pals.

I'd buy it again in a heart beat.
Here are my first lines.



The black rig is for work and the technicolor rig is for training/OMGWTFBBQSHTF.
Both are Specter Tac. Ops. Belts inside ATS War belts and supported by HSGI suspenders.
The holsters are Safariland for my G17 with X200.
The black holster is a 6365.
The green holster is essentially a 6285. It started as a 6004 but I put it on the 1.5 in drop UBL from my old model 6275 Raptor holster. I did this because I want both rigs to be as similar as possible and I can't wear a thigh riding holster at work. Anyway, I just don't like the way it rode. Even all the way up and running only one strap.

Behind that are ATS single pistol mag pouches for my Victorinox Swisstools.

Continuing clock-wise are Spec-Ops Light Sheath Deluxe. I like this pouch because its the only one I've found that is tall enough to comfortably hold a Surefire 6P/G2/Z2 with a Z49 tailcap.

Next on the green rig is an ATS double M4 mag pouch. I like the modularity of this one.

Finally, on the belts are the Double pistol mag pouches.
ATS on the green rig and Spec-Ops on the work belt.

The sub-Load exists because my work requires I use a barcode scanner like UPS or FedEx, and that I carry it in a holster.
I have issues with the OEM holster so I made my own.
The base of the sub is HSGI's Mini Modular Drop leg Panel. Perfect size for what I need.
From right to left:
Tactical Tailor multi-tool pouch.
HSGI Bleeder/Blowout pouch. This is what I carry the scanner in. I cut the cover and buckles off. Works great.
I must say that I have two other Bleeder/Blowout pouches. One on my chest rig and one on a COBRA assault pack, where they are fulfilling their intended purposes.
Finally, a Tactical Tailor Modular Zipper Utility pouch. I use this like a dump/SSE pouch. Usually its just gloves, sun glasses and some handi wipes.


Here is my chest rig.


Its an OSOE micro pals with an HSGI bleeder/blowout and a TT triple.

Edited to trade large photos to clickables to not waste band width.
I run a few things either attending class, teaching, 3 gun or just training.
Start off with the basic shit I usually run at a multi gun or when teaching a basic carbine course.
It's a ICE belt & suspenders,ICE m4 pouches, TT triple pistol, max roly, safariland ALS, surefire G2 sheath, Sure delta.
The chest rig is a TT 2 piece and with their X harness and M$ shingles , TT vertical EE ( IFAK)and my RAT CAT design for the CAT, 2 511 double pistol, one for pistol , one has a g2 and multi-tool. Blackhawk moral support knee pads and blackhawk gloves.

This is my newest carrier. It's a Mayflower assaulter rig with a TAG triple M4/pistol,paraclete smoke pouch (GP), ICE tear off IFAK, and my another RAT CAT.


The last thing i have is an older carrier that a fellow LF'er Namleg modded for me.
We took a TT mav and rigged it up with a carrier I had for a few years that wasn't doing much.Just have it as a back up.
The Mav has 4 Max M4 shingles a 511 IFAK, two pistol, a RAT CAT and a paraclete smoke (GP)

______________________________ "I carry two kinds of trauma kits. One for reducing and one for inducing."

quote:
Originally posted by maddogmedic:
Duke, what kind of suspenders do you have on that ATS belt? Just curious, I am building a first line rig on an Eagle belt...thanx


BFG SOC-C suspenders. That rig is sold, including the suspenders, but I have the SOC-C belt with suspenders currently, and I've never worn anything more comfortable.
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
quote:
Originally posted by Haji:
You guys get a free Glamourshots pic with the purchase of that rig, doncha?


you know it's Dozer's cap that makes the pic. Big Grin
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
Top half of my not so cool guy gear; belt is getting some overdue upgrades and is in pieces at the moment.



With the intent of trying out the "beer can grip" for reloads, I wanted something that would put the mags in a better position to retrieve them like that but still up high as I'm not sure I want to run more than one last ditch mag on the belt.

With some zipties, I came up with this. (I know it appears the cinderblock...er....IFAK is in the way, but when worn, it wraps back and the mag draw just clears it.) As for the weak hand draw, I imagine if I'm doing that, I've already got some problems anyway that would prevent a normal draw while shouldering the rifle, so the extra twist of wrist doesn't bother me and doesn't feel like it slows down my "incapacitated arm" manipulation so far.

Hopefully someone can either call me a genius or point out the retardedly simple negative points I have missed here. Big Grin

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The concept that the Bill of Rights and other constitutional protections against arbitrary government are inoperative when they become inconvenient or when expediency dictates otherwise is a very dangerous doctrine and if allowed to flourish would destroy the benefit of a written Constitution and undermine the basis of our government. - Justice Black, Reid v. Covert, 1957



The 10Speed stuff cannot be over-emphasized for economical weight-saving kit for training. For other uses, I have no frame of reference.



Great rig, C. Thanks for taking the time.
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"Its not about shooting, its about fighting with a gun." -Pat Rogers


The answer to 1984 is 1776.

"I prefer evil sits in daylight for all to see rather than be hidden, forgotten about and possibly repeated." -Consigliere
quote:
Originally posted by WHIT34:
Naloxone,
Instead of electrical ties, try Blackhawk Strike horizontal platform. As of 2009 catalog #38cl75_ bk,ct,od,au retail $26.99. My be a little stronger. By the way looks good.


Thanks, Whit. I think the 3 mag 10spd needs 5 rows to fully attach, so I just planned on getting someone to stitch something for me if I decide to stick with it, but I may try that yet. I'd never run it for real with zips if I had the choice, but its pretty stable as is.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The concept that the Bill of Rights and other constitutional protections against arbitrary government are inoperative when they become inconvenient or when expediency dictates otherwise is a very dangerous doctrine and if allowed to flourish would destroy the benefit of a written Constitution and undermine the basis of our government. - Justice Black, Reid v. Covert, 1957

quote:
Originally posted by BKEE:
Question for those who don't use body armor for training classes but do have it for zombies. Or for USMC03 who I believe is a police officer and probably uses body armor "in real life" but is using a non-armor rig for training in these pics.

Why not use the body armor for the whole training? I know it's hot and sucks but train like you fight so you fight like you train.

Or is the theory that you are learning new materials in the class and you learn better when your more comfortable so its OK to "cheat" and not wear armor during the class? This would mean that on your own training outside of the class probably uses armor.

I can definitely see it going either way. I'm sure in USMC03s case he wears armor enough during SWAT training that its fine to skip it sometimes.


Eliminate the variables.

Shoot dry no kit then build it up armour, gloves, helmet and mask.

What is the training evolution ??

Then go from there.

Each training day we will have a lesson plan for what the drills will be and what is to be worn.

HTH

__________________________ Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" Don't tell my wife I am using a EO she thinks I am a piano player in a whorehouse.

quote:
Originally posted by Doggiecop:
quote:
Originally posted by BKEE:
Question for those who don't use body armor for training classes but do have it for zombies. Or for USMC03 who I believe is a police officer and probably uses body armor "in real life" but is using a non-armor rig for training in these pics.

Why not use the body armor for the whole training? I know it's hot and sucks but train like you fight so you fight like you train.

Or is the theory that you are learning new materials in the class and you learn better when your more comfortable so its OK to "cheat" and not wear armor during the class? This would mean that on your own training outside of the class probably uses armor.

I can definitely see it going either way. I'm sure in USMC03s case he wears armor enough during SWAT training that its fine to skip it sometimes.


Eliminate the variables.

Shoot dry no kit then build it up armour, gloves, helmet and mask.

What is the training evolution ??

Then go from there.

Each training day we will have a lesson plan for what the drills will be and what is to be worn.

HTH


Don't let DC fool you...I saw him wear his full armor at this class we went to.

BUT, he has worked up to that point, and he is dead on. Start slick, get the movements and positions down, then add the gear distractions.

The fundamentals don't need all the gear. The mission does.

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"Have a vision not clouded by fear." A Cherokee proverb "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance." Socrates

 

Joined: 2005                                Location: Georgia

Here is my modest setup.
ATS chest rig
Grunt Gear pistol pouches
EAG Dump pouch
Comp Tac Holster
Wilderness instructor belt
Mechanix gloves

For now it works. The wilderness belt doubles as a pants holder and gear holder. It's a pain to weave everything in. I would like to keep it as a pants holder and get something else to wear on the outside (over that belt). Maybe something like the eagle duty belt. I'm torn with the whole train like you would fight thing and being a civi. Welcome to suggestions.

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Paraclete SOHPC. CSM Gear triple shingle with Paraclete quad pistol shingle mounted, then center has two EMDOM stacked M4 pouches. Currently I'm running a STG-556 (AUG clone) so these rifle pouches support AUG 42-rd magazines. Currently I'm using this for my G19 also, but I can run 1911 magazines or even FNP-45 magazines (assuming I can find any!).

Any yes, it has SAPI plates and Paraclete plate backers in it.

Rear has a Tactical Tailor hydration carrier with a Camelbak 3-liter bladder.

Here's my fat ass in it (not thumbs)







Its a significant improvement over my Wasatch (now sold). Movement is good and weight distribution is excellent.

Warbelt.

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Blue Force Gear modular padded belt with Tactical Tailor duty belt and ATS suspenders in CB. From left to right, Paraclete quad pistol shingle, BFG dump pouch, BFG "Trauma Now" blow out kit, Yarborough knife because I got to do something with it, 6004 for G19 and then a single shingle (ATS?) with a BFG "Boo-Boo" pouch on it.

I left the spot on my left hip for a canteen, but haven't decided on whether I like it there or not.

I wore this during our FBI course at Tiger McKee's (without the big fucking knife) and it worked (I'm undecided on the BFK). It works. I can get all my reloads and the SOHPC doesn't interfere.

In the works Warbelt.

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ATS warbelt with ATS warbelt insert. L-R., Paraclete quad pistol, Blade-Tech for FNP-45 Tactical, short shingle (not sure whose). This will get a BFG "Trauma Now" and a BFG "Boo-Boo" pouch, as well as BFG lo-pro suspenders.

Gonna have to tinker with this one.

Zombie rig. Thumb



5.11 DFE MOLLE vest with Tactical Tailor and "Vest Guy" PS90 / P90 pouches - Tactical Tailor hydration pouch on rear with 3-liter Camelback bladder.

My SBR'd PS90 with G5 suppressor is perfect for the reanimated dead - headshots at 100 yards with a Aimpoint T-1! - so this supports that. Sven x 50 rounds. I guess I need a warbelt for my FN FiveseveN pistol...

Rotting corpses shambling along don't require Black Hills Mk 262 and they ain't shooting back so I don't need armor and plates. And a blow-out kit is no good for a bite...

A well-trained Special Forces' SADM ODA is like an artillery shell... once launched, it can not be recalled. No brass, no soldiers Sir!

quote:
Originally posted by rushca01:
The wilderness belt doubles as a pants holder and gear holder. It's a pain to weave everything in. I would like to keep it as a pants holder and get something else to wear on the outside (over that belt). Maybe something like the eagle duty belt. I'm torn with the whole train like you would fight thing and being a civi. Welcome to suggestions.

I'm a civi also and went through a similar thought process. A duty belt or modular padded belt will help resolve the issue of having to weave everything together. I ended up deciding on a TT duty belt by itself without a modular padded belt, for no particular reason other than I wanted to try it that way. This works great for me, it's just a little more challenging if you want to run modular pouches. But there's a decent selection of belt pouches too.

What I like about my setup is that I can leave my gear on it all the time, then just throw it on over my pants belt when I get to class. It also makes it much simpler to do dry practice at home. In addition to my pistol I find that I can comfortably carry one rifle mag, two pistol mags and a dump pouch and still be able to run, jump, etc. without it falling down or getting floppy.

Here are the things I like about this setup when run with a chest rig:
- More convenient to put on/take off and better weight distribution than putting shit on your pants belt.
- I find it faster to reload from the belt than from a pouch on my chest rig. FYI I use an ATS short shingle for this purpose since it gives me more of the mag to grab onto.
- Moving pouches to the belt freed up some real estate on the chest rig.

I hope this helps.

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