Show us your Class/Personal Preparedness loadout!

Here's part two.

I know it's a lot of pictures. I apologize for that. I wanted to go into a little more detail and pictures do a better job than I could. The only other stuff not shown is a flame retardant balaclava folded up in one of the mesh side pockets of the cummerbund incase there's risk of fire and other PPE such as gloves (Mechanix), eye pro (Oakley Gas Can), and primary ear pro (MSA).

After these I melt back into the wood work and go back into stealth mode. I hope that these can help others come up with a few ideas that will work for them.

Stay safe.











I've never been so glad to have a set of extra shoulder armor Big Grin. Great idea!

Cheers, Matt

"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task."    Publius Vergilius Maro, The Aeneid

Here is my loadout:


BFG SOC-C Belt w/ suspenders, modified with Ares Cobra Riggers Belt
Eagle double G17 FB mag pouch
2 x Eagle single M4 FB pouch
Maxpedition dump pouch
Safariland 6378 ALS holster for G17 w/ SF x300
BFG ten speed pistol mag pouch (used to hold light and multitool)

It is a pretty simple setup, which is nice because it is light weight and doesn't impede my mobility much at all. I chose the BFG SOC-C belt after reading positive reviews on LF. I jumped on it when BFG was having a sale and could not be happier. It is comfortable, so comfortable I almost forget I'm wearing it. The Ares Cobra belt is a worthwhile upgrade over the stock BFG belt. I found that it gives just the right amount of rigidity especially since I mounted my holster using a mid ride drop UBL (thanks to Stephen's helpful suggestion). Jake, at Ares, was a great guy to deal with, I ordered the wrong length and he had me the correct size within 2 weeks. Amazing, considering how busy he is. His belts are worth the wait.
The Eagle mag pouches are well made and balance retention with speed pretty well. The mags do sit kind of deep in the pistol pouches, which slow my reloads at times. I need to practice more often to get used to it.
I'm really digging the Safariland ALS. Drawing is fast once you get the hang of the thumb release, which is easy.
The BFG ten speed pistol pouch holds my SF flashlight and multitool nicely. I cannibalized it from another rig to test it out for that purpose.

I haven't had a chance to put this loadout through a formal class yet, but I think it is promising. More pics:
UBL mount


Cobra Belt:


6378 w/ G17:
quote:
Originally posted by Weary:

UBL mount


I run a very similar setup, right down to the UBL that's actually too large for my Ares belt. Call ATS tomorrow and order one of these. I'm betting your UBL rocks back and forth on your belt a bit. The little chunk of plastic I linked ought to solve that problem.


Nice setup.
Ek Cool

Personally, I'm interested in keeping other people from building Utopia, because the more you believe you can create heaven on earth the more likely you are to set up guillotines in the public square to hasten the process. -- James Lileks

"Be the lack of Bullshit you wish to see in the world around you."

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Thanks, Ek! There was a good bit of play in the mount with the stock SOC-C belt, the Cobra belt got rid of a lot of it. I'll definitely take your advice though. I'm glad you gave me the link because Safariland accessories confuse the he'll out of me for some reason.
I also run a SOC-C, with the Safariland holster/MLS setup. I too find that the BFG inner belt is too flimsy and really need to upgrade to a stiffer belt. Safariland does sell a UBL for a smaller belt. I know because I accidentally ordered one, but based off your pics that may be a good thing because now it'll fit a belt like your Ares Cobra belt.
Joined: 9-29-2009
Location: Indiana/Kentucky
Well lads,
I'm a long time lurker, and felt it time to contribute a little back.
I didn't have the balls to post this in the "show us your fighting loadout thread" because being in the Irish Army Reserves (AKA, the unwanted ginger stepkid of the Irish Defence Forces), we're never deployed operationally (long story, whole other discussion). So having not tested this gear operationally, I've thought it best to post this here.

So anyway, here's my gear...







In the Chest Rig

-Capacity for 8 mags in mag bank. The HK fits quite nicely in there too.
-Behind mag bank in a zipped compartment I keep an OSI laminated map with marker pens.
-Dump pouch.
- 2x smokes. Of the 4x smoke pouches I have, 2x have lifting tabs inside them, I believe they're designed to accommodate 2x frag grenades in the one pouch, the tab allowing you to pull up the lower grenade.
- Above grenade pouch I've tied in a roll of black electrical tape, it's secured to rig via velcro cable tie.
- Medic pouch
-2x Israeli FFD
-1x scissors
-2x pairs of surgical gloves
-1x CAT
-1x Battlefield 1st Aid TAM
-1x Permy marker (for morphine / TQ notification) (need to get colour other than red though)
-4x Glowsticks 2x Red 2x Green
-Detachable lanyard with emergency compass, whistle, White LED torch (for signalling), head torch (red filter), lighter, about 15m of Paracord.
-12x Spare batteries (6x AAA 6x AA) for PRR, NODs, GPS, torches etc
-Pills - painkillers, sh1tstoppers, caffeine boosters, compeed plasters, etc
-1x Foil blanket

-Pistol mag pouch 1 has a monocular (because the optics on our rifles are poo)
-Pistol mag pouch 2 has a penknife (proper swiss army job, was a gift, and can't afford a MUT yet)
Admin panel
-Notebook cover with rite in the rain note pad (and aide memoir), laminated report cards (cccc, ammo/cas, route cards, range cards, stag list) chinagraph pencils (sharpened both ends), mechanical pencil, 2x biros, fine permy marker, compass and stainless steel mirror.
- A4 laminated map of immediate AO with satellite photo overleaf (usually with OSI grid overlay that I do myself)
- pencil sharpener for chinagraph pencils (attached via paracord)
-GPS pouch - Garmin 401 Foretrex - (a fecking must have!! love this gadget!)

On the flip side of the upper panel, the rig is designed to accommodate armour plates, but as we don't use them, I've slotted my Nirex book in there, with TAMs, templates, maps, aerial photography for mission critical data.

- Single point sling.

-Hydration pouch, I have a 2L Source bladder, which I'll remove and place in daysack when carrying CEMO.

I also keep 2 large heavy duty zip ties handy for quick deployment for Prisoners or anything that needs fixing.

In the rear back panel I keep a lightweight folded Irish flag for spontaneous moments of conquest, photo ops, and as an emergency aerial recognition marker. I know it probably upsets some people here that I use the plate carriage parts of my rig for other purposes, but we're not issued plates in Ireland, so they'll never be used for that purpose.

And I know some people also get upset when the kit doesn't have mud on it, so for those guys, here you go....



Forgot to mention the make of the gear:

Chest Rig:

Warrior Assault Systems (WAS) Centurion Chest Rig. Working left to right, I have a WAS fold out dump pouch, 2x WAS Smoke Grenade pouches, on the left is a WAS medic pouch doubling as a utility pouch. On the upper panel, I have 2x WAS pistol mag/torch pouches, a WAS admin panel, Templar Assault Systems (TAS) GPS pouch, and WAS single point sling. Rear panel has a WAS hydration bladder pouch.

Daysack:

TAS Recon Patrol Pack Mk1, with WAS utility pouches on the front, and a WAS double mag pouch on the side.
Here's what I threw together for carbine classes. I live in CA so everything is 10 round for compliance... All the nylon (and the SERPA) was just shit I had lying around from the airsoft days, pressed into use for my blasters (Saiga 7.62x39 and G19)



Temporary 1st Line
- TAD Gear FAST Pack waist belt (KH)
- Blue Force Gear 10 Speed Pistol (MC)
- Blue Force Gear 10 Speed M4 (RG)
- TAD Gear OP1 (KH)[FAK]
- B!PG SERPA for Glock 19 (FDE)

Replacing TAD belt with ATS War Belt/Rigger combo, and SERPA with a Safariland 6378 I have laying around the house. Op1 to be switched out with HSGI Bleeder Pouch...



2nd Line - Mayflower Gen III UW


Left to Right:
- IFAK
- AK sight adjustment/cleaning tool
- x 4 Saiga mags
- x 2 Saiga mags
Centerline:
- x 2 Glock mags

Missing:
- x 1 TQ
- x 2 Saiga mags


Exploded view:



-The Saiga mags bullets-up in the rig and bullets-down on the belt allow me to get a "beercan" grip from both areas to facilitate rocking the mag into the Saiga for reloads.
- The BFG 10 Speed versatility is amazing. I needed pouches for my Saiga mags, saw it on the ground in my room and thought, "Why the hell not?" It works perfectly either bullets-up or bullets-down.

Gonna run this in next month's LAV AK class in SoCal..
ATS war belt W/ Eagle belt
2x Tactical Tailor 556 Double Mag Panel W/ Pmags
2x Eagle G17/22 Double Mag Pouch Molle
Blue Force Gear Tourniquet NOW! Strap
Blue Force Gear Ten-Speed SSE Pouch
Maxpedition FR-1 Combat Medical Pouch
ALS Safariland G19
All the pouches were black and they were cheap but i spray painted them with some Kyrlon and now they look much better
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.
George Orwell
After some time with my gear I've made some changes and adjustments. Also made some additions.

For rifle practice, I still use the TT split MAV with 5 M4 mags seen in my previous post, but now it only holds the 5 mags. The other pouches on the rig are gone.

I also continue to run the US Grunt Gear belt, but I've changed some bits. I really don't like kit on my back and the more I used it, the more I disliked the set up. Also wanted to be able to sit and drive without having to un-ass bits.

This is how the belt sets up now. The light and multi-tool are at 4 o'clock. The IFK at 8 o'clock. I can sit in my truck and enter and exit the vehicle easily. The is a little bit of standoff, but it's minimal and nonexistent when I'm wearing my plate carrier.


For personal preparedness, I picked up a PIG carrier, some 10x12 TAP Gamma Plates, and large MSA backers.

The plates are rated as stand alone and are affordably priced, but with the test results published here showing some deformation issues and some healthy concern for avoiding holes that can be avoided, backers seemed the smart thing to do.


I run the carrier slick sides. Tourniquet and gloves in the boo boo pouch top center, a rescue tool and an extra pistol mag on the far right. I only have two mags on the carrier. I can add a third with the 10 speed pouch or use it for other bits as needed. Three mags with the option to run four keeps things trim and light.

I really like the rescue tool for cutting. Unfortunately had to use one at a vehicle accident and was impressed with how well it worked.

As for the limited mags, back filling from pockets, etc is an option if things warrant and can always change out the right panel to a 2nd two mag carrier.

A small pouch with extra batteries hides in the kangaroo pouch on the right side.


The rear is slick except for a two pocket 10 speed pouch for odds and ends. I have a Source 2 liter pouch I can wear if I need to run hydration.


Again, with the carrier clean on the back side and the belt clean at my lumbar area, sitting and driving is not an issue.

- Jeff

quote:
Originally posted by mrbieler:
Guy selling them on another forum. I believe he had them made. As a spork aficionado, I had to have one. Smile


Which forum? Does he have them on a website?

"Sure, I fought, I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."- Ty Cobb

MRBIELER,
Nice kit bro. I too like to keep my backside clean if possible. But as Always mission dependent. A bunch of my partners run the PIG. Im still kicking my Eagle PC with bulletproofme plates. I have a set of those Gamma plates also as back ups. Your one of the first (only really) people I've seen with them. I too will run backers when I finally decide on an acceptable PC to drop them into. Perhaps the DBT FAPC.
Joined: 9-29-2009
Location: Indiana/Kentucky
Yes, mission drives the gear. Don't see a need to fill up the holes on the kit without knowing what I need so as is I think I have a reasonable base to start from. The belt may get reshuffled. Still working for a sweet spot on things. I also want to rethink the IFK pouch. I saw the Maxpedition Fight Pouch and I like some of the things I saw on that.

Surprised about the comment on the Gamma plates. The right up from Doc's test seemed to rate them as a solid choice for budget buying. His comments about deformation reinforced my decision to pick up the backers, the plates seem like a good buy with decent performance if you're paying your own way.

- Jeff

Here´s my kit;

Everything in the kit, except the inner belt of the warbelt (which is an eagle industries duty belt) is made by me.



Top: Chestrig with 3 integral magpouches, plus an early version of my CAOS admin pouch (including a Cohiba Siglo II. You gotta have a victory cigar, right?) and two B.A.M shingles

Bottom; Warbelt with a douple pistol mag pouch (didn´t bother with the flaps, the retention keeps the mags securely in place), two B.A.M shingles, roll up dump pouch, tear away IFAK.



The holster is a G-code Xst

If i´m wearing both; the chestrig and the warbelt, then i wont be carrying any AR mags in the warbelt.

I just finished this kit so haven´t had the time to take it to the range yet.. So far this seems like a good setup, but we will see about that after this weekend, when i go and test it.
Range/ Carbine Class belt

Blue Force Molle belt w/ Eagle inner belt
Eagle mag pouches
Maxpedition dump pouch
Blow out kit with shears, bandages etc...
Blue Force boo boo kit (for keys and misc)
Safariland drop leg w/ AR mag pouch


Over all simple set up for taking classes and range time. The Blue Force belt stays in place without riding or sagging and supports the weight without the need for suspenders.



Training rig

Tactical Tailor carrier w/ lv 4 plates and lv 3 soft armor
Eagle mag pouches
Blow out kit / med shears
tourniquet w/Blue Force Molle holder
Multi tool
Eagle Molle Gas mask pouch w/ mask (backside)
Safariland belt w/ Tactical Tailor belt pad
Safariland dropleg w/ AR mag pouch
Eagle pistol mag pouch
Surefire holder w/ G2 cree replacement head
EAG dump pouch
Hatch knee pads
PASGAT helmet w/ Oregon Areo replacement chinstrap and pads, Surefire Helmet light
Camelback gloves




I found the TT carrier a good solution for a molle plate carrier that can except standard concealable soft armor. Everytime I train there is something new learned on my set up and it is constantly evolving.
I do it to keep track of which mags are old and which ones I need to swap out. Kinda useless on PMAG's but everything wear's eventually. That and during a training class if 5 out of 10 people are using tan pmag's it makes IDing your shit easier.

Cheers, Matt

"It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task."    Publius Vergilius Maro, The Aeneid

quote:
JMA78- You might want to check your CAT, some of the orange ones are for training only and are not rated for real use. It should say on it if it's for training or not.


I was just about to make an angry call for the retailer, until i noticed Mikey G´s comment Smile

But thanks for the heads up, anyway; i didn´t know there are training CAT´s as well..
Here's my training loadout, which may be a little excessive because I use it for R&D on new products and ideas.

Much of the gear I've chosen is based on what I learned from my deployments as well as what I've learned from experiences passed around on this board. Lightfighter is THE knowledge base for the infantryman.

My plate carrier is the Diamondback Tactical AW-FAPC. I went with this armor because of my positive previous experiences buying and using their products in the past. Also, the military discount was the tits. It rides well and is fairly easy to adjust. My only real gripe with it is how difficult, nearly impossible, it is to snap down the front flap when you have plates loaded. The front flap stays down pretty well with all the velcro underneath it, but I think they should have come up with a better snap system.

Pouches starting Left to Right:
- Tyr Micro SOF IFAK - 2 X Bolin Chest Seals, 1 X 6" Izzy, 1 X Chinook Compression, 1 X QuikClot Combat Gauze, 1 X crinkle gauze, 1 X triangular cravat, 1 X CAT Tourniquet
- DBT 6 mag pouch
- DBT 2 mag pouch
- Esstac PackRat with the front velcro cut off.(Not made anymore, but is a badass pouch. I'd buy another if I could find one.) - I keep my weapons maintenance items in here.
- 1 X CAT Tourniquet
I have the DBT zipper accessory on the kangaroo pouch. I keep a map and gloves in there.
On the chest I have a TT Horizontal E&E pouch which I use as an admin pouch. In there I keep:
- Izula/ESEE map and survival cards
- 1 roll of our Battle Systems vinyl tape
- Leatherman Wave
- 1 X stripper clip guide
- IR Chemlights
- Streamlight Sidewinder Compact Light. That light if really incredible. Wish I'd known about it during my time in the Corps.
Next to the E&E pouch is a TT GPS pouch with my Garmin Etrex. It is an old Etrex with no color or map capabilities that I got in 2002. I love that thing.
I stuff a GP brush and a radio cleaning brush in the MOLLE behind the E&E (admin) pouch.






On the back is a Fight and Flight Tactical Sustainment Pouch with 72oz Camelback. I saw Awwbugman's post back in January and thought it was perfect for the price. I haven't yet done the proper modifications to it that he has.
I also have an HSGI pistol mag pouch with a hank of paracord in it.
The Eagle pop flare pouch has a survival kit inside that I'm ironing out. They'll be released as a limited edition item some time in September, so check out our Facebook page to keep tabs on that. It is probably better suited for an assault pack or sustainment pack attachment point, but has worked really well on the back of armor.

I'm undecided on a belt kit as of yet. I'm considering the Jones Tactical FatZombie or Ares MIL Duty Belt to hang my HK45C and mags from. It is impossible to find HK45C kydex holsters that fit the way I have my gun set up, so I'm going to try making one myself.
The KaBar TDI knife on my PC is probably going away and I'll find a way to incorporate my trusty SOG SealPup somewhere instead.

The Tyr Micro SOF IFAK is a really nice pouch, but it is much larger than I thought it would be. Just from mock drawing of my secondary, the pouch gets in the way because it sticks out so far - about 4". I am wanting a pouch that is 2.5" deep or less, but wider so it spreads the items across instead of stacks them. I will probably have to do away with a detachable system to attain this. The TT Multi-Purpose Pouch (.50cal mag pouch) looks like a good option I'll try out.
I run the same carrier but in coyote brown. i have the same problem with the snaps and usually leave them unsnapped. Never had any issues with that.

I love the carrier. Like you said, it fits and rides great.

Freedom and safety exist at the point of a bayonet...usually one that's been shoved deep into the internal organs of very bad people.

I just wanted to give you a heads up just in case you didn't know. I also have the 10x12 TAP plates, and they don't fit in a Medium FAPC (A Large will work). Well, I managed to get one to fit, but it was extremely tight. However, I couldn't get it to fit in the rear plate pocket at all.

quote:
Originally posted by YourNightmare:
MRBIELER,
Nice kit bro. I too like to keep my backside clean if possible. But as Always mission dependent. A bunch of my partners run the PIG. Im still kicking my Eagle PC with bulletproofme plates. I have a set of those Gamma plates also as back ups. Your one of the first (only really) people I've seen with them. I too will run backers when I finally decide on an acceptable PC to drop them into. Perhaps the DBT FAPC.
While I am active mil. THis is my at home/range/training setup.

I recently got the kangaroo pouches for the PIG and the jury is still out on them. I may take out the one behind the other mags, as it pushes them out further than I like. The one behind the ADMIN is fine. I like this rig a lot, and much of it will accompany me on the next rotation overseas.

SKD PIG with PIG dyneema soft armor and MED plates
DD TACOs
PIG Kangaroo pouches
OSOE NSW Admin
ESSTAC toaster double M4
BFG Trauma Kit Now!
TYR GP
TAG radio
TRY hydration
VIPIR strobe

Shellback COBRA belt
HSGI SKD drop leg
Safariland G19 holster
Eclipse mag/tool pouch



quote:
Originally posted by jinx667:
While I am active mil. THis is my at home/range/training setup.

I recently got the kangaroo pouches for the PIG and the jury is still out on them. I may take out the one behind the other mags, as it pushes them out further than I like. The one behind the ADMIN is fine. I like this rig a lot, and much of it will accompany me on the next rotation overseas.

SKD PIG with PIG dyneema soft armor and MED plates
DD TACOs
PIG Kangaroo pouches
OSOE NSW Admin
ESSTAC toaster double M4
BFG Trauma Kit Now!
TYR GP
TAG radio
TRY hydration
VIPIR strobe

Shellback COBRA belt
HSGI SKD drop leg
Safariland G19 holster
Eclipse mag/tool pouch





Quick question. Does having the BFG TKN on your strong side interfere with your draw stroke? I personally have had issues running anything on my strong wide when carrying a secondary and now run slick on my strong side, however on my next deployment, in an attempt to keep my 2nd line better balanced, am looking at different mounting locations for my IFAK. I probably know your answer but I'm just looking at options at this point and may not even change my setup.
Joined: 9-29-2009
Location: Indiana/Kentucky


This is my new plate carrier.

Crye JPC with level IV plates from Bulletproofme, with a Blue Force Gear Ten-Speed double mag pouch, a Blue Force Gear TK Now with a CAT, and an ATS Medical Pouch- Small. What you can't see is my no-name dump pouch next to the ATS pouch.

I have a Midnight Chow name tape, because that was my favorite thing when I spent time on a big FOB.
This is my humble home preparedness neck pouch.



I got this from some stuff Clint Smith was talking about.

The idea is that a regular low-speed person like myself may not have gear around or have to travel around without that gear. Even with that gear around it can't always be put on very quickly.

The neck pouch sits anywhere near your bed or nightstand weapon and can be quickly secured around your neck.



From here items can be reached with relative ease. Mine is adjusted where the bottom of the pouch is just above my waistline. Here's what it looks like from my perspective when worn:



I know a lot of people plan to stow a mag in their pockets...I thought the same way. But what if I'm not wearing pockets? What if I just came out of the shower? What if someone broke in while I was busy with my spouse? I can wear this no matter what clothes I'm wearing ...or not wearing.



Moving it under my support arm puts the magazines in a place similar to where they are normally and also helps mitigate the weight strain on the neck...even though that shouldn't be too much an issue in a situation like this. It's not long-term gear...It's .. I just woke up and I need my support equipment.

Here's the content shot:



1- Charged cell phone. It is disconnected but still able to call out to 9-1-1. I check the battery every other night or so.

2- Flashlight, same one that I keep in my pocket. Now normally I keep a light clipped in my pocket but again there are times where I may be caught naked or without pockets. This gives me a back-up/secondary

3- Knife, same concept as the flashlight since I keep a better knife on me 99% of the time. No I don't plan to fight with it...it's there if I need it for...whatever...

4- Pistol mag...well...um...yeah you all know why that's useful.

5- Rifle mag...too easy...


So why the pistol and rifle mag? I'm not going to play the game of saying which I'd rather use in home defense. I simply subscribe to the fact that it may be either one. Common sense applies so if I sleep in a place where I only have access to my pistol...I take the rifle mag out.


The best part of this setup is that it's so small and light that I can take it with me no matter where I'm staying and stay with me at all times and carry well in a bag. It can go out with me in my bag, and easily go back to it's place when I return home. And as with all gear...it requires indexing practice.


I also have a molle belt setup but I'd like to get better pictures of that before I talk about it. Same goals apply to the setup though: Easy and quick to don with any clothes, or even while stripped to nothing.

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