I have searched for the P365 on here. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Negative. Black hole.

Are there no LF types using these? I got to shoot one the other day, and was favorably impressed. It subjectively fits me much better than my old SW Shield.

Good trigger, very good accuracy, 12 Rd mag, etc.

Much as I like to hate on current Sig stuff, objectively, this seems like a really decent small gun.

Is anyone using one? Do you have more than few mags worth of experience with it?

If you have compared, how does it stack up next to a G43,43X, or G48?

Do you love it? Hate it?

On a scale of 1-5, how many strips of bacon do you award it?

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Here is the thread. It got a bit off track at times, but there is some good information. 

I have about 2,000 rounds through mine. Flawless performance so far, very accurate and a great trigger.

There are now also aftermarket parts- triggers, barrels and grip modules, but I haven't changed a thing.  

https://www.lightfighter.net/t...21#50149959036944621

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Mine was manufactured last October. I waited for some of the bugs to be worked out.

I've only got about 500 rounds through mine. But so far, I'm pleased with it. I have large hands with long fingers, yet I can still shoot this thing better than I would have thought just from finger banging it in a gun store. The grip texture is just rough enough for me to get a good purchase to prevent the gun from squirming from shot to shot. The trigger is good. I actually like it better than a Sig 320 with the factory installed Romeo RDS that I was shooting last week. 

I can shoot it at a higher level than I would expect for a gun so small. Better than any of my M&P Shields. The felt recoil is deceptively mild for it's size. Can I shoot it at the same level as a Glock 45 or a full size M&P 2.0? Nope. But the gap representing the difference in performance between a duty size gun and my 365 is smaller than in any other small 9mm or J-Frame 38 I've shot. And I've dumped way too much money over the years searching for this particular unicorn. 

My 365 was not purchased with the intent of a primary carry gun. I carry a Glock 19.5 off duty. It was bought with the intent of using as a BUG, NPE type gun, vacation in a low threat environment, yet still don't fully trust people so I'm carrying a F*cking gun, gun. 

For my intended usage of the gun, I'm satisfied.

 

 

 

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Everybody has different hands, so I may be the only person who has a bit of trouble in quickly pressing the mag dump button.  It is just not right for me. 

And let me pass along the news that SIG has just started advertising a larger 365, to be known as the P365XL.  Guess I can't have one since I need 2XL shirts.  3.7 inch barrel and 12 rounds in the mags.

P365XL article

They just released the XL: flat trigger, optic cut and flush 12 rd mag with 15 rd mag option.

We've had one at our range for T/E, no issues through several thousand rounds. I don't personally care for the original, too snappy for my taste. Although I'm not a fan of any of the micro 9's (prefer being able to use a full size reload and red dot). I'm very interested by the XL though, the optic cut and flat trigger are two things that are essential for me lately since my duty and current carry gun have both.

In Valor There Is Hope

Thanks for the heads up on the 365XL. That is very interesting to me. With my hand size, I would never carry or use the 10 round mag, so having a frame optimized for the 12 rounder in conjunction with longer barrel and sight radius makes sense to me.

I need to get hands on with the 365XL and the G48 side by side for a half case of ammo and see which one becomes my new J frame.

I have 300 rounds through mine without so much as a hiccup. It is more accurate than I expected from such a small pistol and the recoil is very manageable for the size. 

I was also looking for a replacement for my J-frame ( just as concealable and double the round count ).  So far, this seems to be the one.   No complaints so far. 

I didn't want to jump on an early version and be a beta tester, so I waited a little over a year.  Overall, I'm impressed.  In the past the smallest I've gone has been a G26 or M&P C, but this might be my new warm weather carry.  2x the capacity of a J frame, slimmer and substantially better sights.  I don't see anything that needs to be tweaked out of the box.  IWB is easy.  Mags are a bit expensive, but not surprising since it's the heart of the system and single source at the moment.

Longeye posted:

Thanks for the heads up on the 365XL. That is very interesting to me. With my hand size, I would never carry or use the 10 round mag, so having a frame optimized for the 12 rounder in conjunction with longer barrel and sight radius makes sense to me.

I need to get hands on with the 365XL and the G48 side by side for a half case of ammo and see which one becomes my new J frame.

15+1, single stack, milled for a dot from the factory with a flat trigger.. If I ever am going to go micro this will be the one. Those are all the main things that kept me from making the jump, capacity, RDS compatible and no flat trigger.

In Valor There Is Hope

I have roughly 500 rounds through mine, P365MS.  I like the safety.  Reliability wise, it's been perfect with ball, but has had hiccups with 115gr Hornady Critical Defense.  Had a failure to chamber 1st round with a 115gr JHP Hornady Critical defense, then a later type 3 malfunction, failure to extract.  Haven't had any issues with 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot or other ammunition. Upon closer examination, it looks like the longer rounds may hit the front of the magazine during feeding, causing a stoppage.  I do not have this issue with more traditionally shaped 9mm JHPs.

On balance, the 10+1 capacity in a J-Frame Size makes this an ideal choice for CCW.  Due to the narrower tolerances for such a small pistol, I would definitely check my JHP rounds for function prior to carrying.  

Kchen986 posted:

I have roughly 500 rounds through mine, P365MS.  I like the safety.  Reliability wise, it's been perfect with ball, but has had hiccups with 115gr Hornady Critical Defense.  Had a failure to chamber 1st round with a 115gr JHP Hornady Critical defense, then a later type 3 malfunction, failure to extract.  Haven't had any issues with 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot or other ammunition. Upon closer examination, it looks like the longer rounds may hit the front of the magazine during feeding, causing a stoppage.  I do not have this issue with more traditionally shaped 9mm JHPs.

On balance, the 10+1 capacity in a J-Frame Size makes this an ideal choice for CCW.  Due to the narrower tolerances for such a small pistol, I would definitely check my JHP rounds for function prior to carrying.  

In my experience, if a gun is going to hang up on HP ammo, it will be Hornady Critical Defense and/or XTP.  Those are the only hollow points I've had trouble with in any modern gun.  I never measured the OAL to see if they're longer, but the bullet profile could certainly cause the problem, too.

Why worry about something that isn't going to happen.  That's perfect.  They should put that on our money. - Lagasov, "Chernobyl"

Update:  Been having a lot of issues with my P365 since the last post. Put another 700 rounds or so.  I have this odd issue where the firearm will not return to battery.  First time, I tap-racked, ejected a live round, then the gun still would not go all the way in to battery.  Had to extract the magazine, then field strip to stop the problem from occurring.  Some posts on Sigtalk suggest that the recoil spring is moving out of position. 

Second time today about 243 rounds in to a reliability test, had another failure to return to battery.  Tap-rack, still no joy.  Attempting to push the slide forward didn't rectify the issue.  Had to eject magazine and rack a few times to get the weapon back up.  

I've had about 4 FTEs in the last week as well, albeit, with an aftermarket barrel.  During torture dot drills, I'd get a failure to extract around 36 rounds in.  Weapon would consistently fail to pull the round out of the chamber. Upon examining the case, I can't tell if it's an issue with the extractor tension.  These malfunctions still happened after extensive scrubbing of the extractor claw.  To be fair, I only had one FTE with the stock barrel. 

Malfunctions occurred with WWB and Blazer Brass.  

Suffice to say, my faith in this weapon is definitely shaken.   Never had similar issues with my Shield, PM9, or G43.  Going to send this weapon back to Sig on Monday to see if they can't diagnose and repair.  

I have an M17 edition of the P320, which I have only because part of what I collect (as opposed to the safe looking like an arms room) is issue weapons, or as close as I can get. The troubles all the time with the P365, especially on the heels of the P320 fiasco gives me a LOT of pause. Does Sig just have no QC? Vickers said months ago something I'd paraphrase as "they get it to 80% and let first purchasers do the last 20%".  it's seeming far too much like that's true.

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2,500+ rounds through mine and absolutely love it.  Great trigger. Great sights. Very accurate and easy to shoot. It's been my EDC for the past year, and with 12 rounds of HST on tap, I have ZERO worries. If you do happen to get one buggered up from the factory, SIG will make it right, and FAST. With the numbers they are cranking out, there is bound to be some that get past QC. Shouldn't, but they do.

Chaos, panic and disorder. My work here is done........

Final Update: 

I bought a second P365MS while my first one went back to SigSauer for warranty work.  I have 626 rounds through the gun with 2 malfunctions (so about 99.68% reliability).   Interestingly, over the weekend, my girlfriend had a malfunction wherein the gun failed to return to battery.  Upon closer examination I noticed that the end plate had slid off during recoil.  Pushing the plate back on remedied the problem.  

I received my first P365MS back from SigSauer.  They replaced the recoil spring assembly and extractor. I fired approximately 50 rounds through it today.  One malfunction--guess what? End Plate for the slide slid off during firing.  I hadn't disassembled the gun or cleaned it after I got it back from SigSauer which leads me to believe that this problem may be endemic to the P365, and was not a function of user error.

I went back to my second P365MS and shot about another 200 rounds today, and had a FTRB, upon looking down I saw the endplate had come off under recoil.  I pushed the endplate up which allowed the gun to chamber and continue firing.  

In conclusion, these firearms are exhibiting the same malfunctions, specifically, that the endplate occasionally slides off during firing.  Given the weapons 99% reliability, I'll accept it in a trade off for expanded capacity and the ability to shoot the gun almost as well as my much larger Glock 19.   I hope SigSauer updates the endplate or striker assembly design to this becomes less prevalent.  

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