I'm interested in getting some opinions on this style of Armour.
Likes? Dislikes? I know that "Molle" is king, but any feedback would be appreciated.The one pictured is a SITE Enterprises Build-A-Vest. Anyone have experience with the company/products in CO?

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Safariland makes a vest system similar to that. I think of it as the "Battlestar Galactica style" since their Marines wear it on the show.

Never worn it myself, but my experience with the velcro and snaps sealing an Interceptor means I tend to prefer MOLLE just out of knowing if I put shit on there, it's NOT coming off without some work.

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Velcro and snaps blow. The biggest problem is trying to buy pouches, since nobody sells them. The other problem is that they rip off if you catch them on anything (was really fun doing low crawls at SWAT school, leaving a trail of pouches). I would trade my velcro/snap vest for MOLLE in a heartbeat.

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I have used various styles of vest in both the military and Police, and found that the snap and velcro type are only goog for when you want to constantly swap gear around...Why I dont know ...but once you know where you want it then it can be ripped off by catching on anything , also any weight you put in the pouches can pull them away from the velcro and the snaps need to be in the right place all the time...

I much prefer the way things are going with MOLLE , such as RBAV, CIRAS and RAV etc.

The snap and velcro was good in its day but things got better..it also wasn't light in any way as the velcro was over the vest and then more velcro and a pouch , causing heat build up and adding weight.

Rick H

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Snap/velcro is definately old school (not sure if it is as old school as the 70s show SWAT, but it is pretty old). I think it was new in the late 1980s/early 1990s.

It was most likely developed by a vest maker to satisfy the needs for a modular system using materials or designs they all ready had and knew how to make - therefore no heavy brainstorming required. It worked in that one could switch pocuhes, but some of the problems all ready mentioned are definately true.

Depending on the type of activity, the pouches can begin to be pulled off. Older pocuhes with worn velcro or wet velcro and/or heavily used/banged up snaps obviously make the connection weaker and more easily pulled off. Also, pouch selection was poor at best. The armor makers made their own designs (which pretty much all sucked and were copied from maker to maker). I also found that the snap/velcro from one maker (or even sometimes vests from same maker) didn't fit the vests from another company.

Not sure if it is true, but I have heard about concerns over the snaps becoming shrapnel if hit by gunfire (of course I would worry about what was in the pouch being more dangerous than the tiny snap).
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Originally posted by JRB845:
...not sure if it is as old school as the 70s show SWAT...


Well, they did wear snaps & velcro vests in the 2003 SWAT movie (w/Sam Jackson & Colin Farrell)...

But the old school SWAT intro video is good for the camp factor!

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Originally posted by BSO:
I'm interested in getting some opinions on this style of Armour.
Likes? Dislikes? I know that "Molle" is king, but any feedback would be appreciated.The one pictured is a SITE Enterprises Build-A-Vest. Anyone have experience with the company/products in CO?

you gonna get that from Cochese?
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I had to use the velcro/snap vest a couple of years ago. Sub-optimal.
The vests were very used, most of the snaps were damaged in some way, they would all either not attach or not detach. Once the snaps went on a pouch, it would only be a matter of time before the pouch would jettison itself.

I have a bunch of working PALS gear, and it was all a no-go since the vest had no provision for mounting. The pouches that came with the vest were shit as well. Ever tried to stuff M4 mags into an MP5 pouch? Non-positive to say the least.

Occasionally when one of the pouches would launch from my gear I just assumed that it was my immune system rejecting the shit gear. In the end I was actually happy when a pouch would drop, at least the frustration of using the pouch was over.


 

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Went and looked at SWAT from 2003 and they sure are wearing the same type of vest like you said. If you look at the special features in the 2003 SWAT movie, they have a section with clips from the old SWAT TV show. Man, gear was very basic back then, but they got the job done.
BSO

If you all ready are issued the snap/velcro and a replacement is a ways off - I believe one of the smaller nylon gear makers made a molle panel with snap velcro on the rear so as to retro-fit snap/velcro vests to use new pouches. Think I saw a Tact Tailor mod like this but may be mistaken.

Jay

Forrest K Rhoads - this is very bad form.  Bumping a 9 year old thread to sell some obsolete shit on another site is unacceptable.  We expect better of our members here.  This is a professional forum populated by professional end users. 

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Forrest K Rhoads posted:

...the pouches are selling because they are just as good as molly if not better because they can be changed on the fly.. 

Correct. Sometimes you have to swap between paintball and airsoft between games with your friends...wait, I mean sometimes you have to rapidly transition between weapon system ammunition sources during lulls in training iterations when you're on the Teams. 

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Forrest K Rhoads posted:

If this is a site for  "professionals" the  language used isn't "professional" and the pouches are selling because they are just as good as molly if not better because they can be changed on the fly.. 

I mean why would you read the email you got that told you to post an intro in the appropriate place.  Most professionals tend to read things and then follow directions. Foresee a ban shortly for you. 

 

Btw it's molle.... but it's really PALS

 

Btw- First Spear 6x12 kicks snaps/Velcro  and  molle out of the water

PureAmericana posted:

I have been wearing my Rhino Body Armor for about 6 months, its highly adjustable with a really cool standard layout with each vest. I got mine in the digi camo but they have other colors. Surprisingly I was able to get my plates and plate carrier on sale for a little over 300 and it was NIJ III!

Their Site:

www.thebestbodyarmor.com

 

hope it helps

Might want to post an intro in the intro forum. Not seeing one. 

Some guys might also jump on you for your only two posts to this site being about the greatness of rhino body armor and how close you live to their headquarters. Gainesville -> Orlando. Not saying you work there and am in way trying to say you're not legit. 

Call me suspicious.

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Sold me:           We also received detailed consulting from paramilitary forces and mercenary units to hone our vest down to the most utilitarian design while still implementing the most useful tactical achievements that integrate seamlessly and perform in both the lab and on the field.

 

Ordered two sets so I would have multiple color options, you never know...

PureAmericana posted:

I have been wearing my Rhino Body Armor for about 6 months, its highly adjustable with a really cool standard layout with each vest. I got mine in the digi camo but they have other colors. Surprisingly I was able to get my plates and plate carrier on sale for a little over 300 and it was NIJ III!

Their Site:

www.thebestbodyarmor.com

 

hope it helps

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