Talk to me about Windshirts

I'm looking for a good windshirt. This will mainly be used for Camping / Hunting / Outdoor stuff, so as such I'm specifically looking for a Multicam one.  One that's lightweight and packs down well.  I would also prefer a Full Zip one. 

So far I was looking at the Firstspear Windcheater, and really like it, but at $200 I was trying to see about other options (although I'm not completely opposed to buying this one).

I was trying to find a good Patagonia Level 4 Windshirt in my size / color but can't find anything.

I saw the ECWCS Level 4, but it looks more like a softshell than a windshirt (but I've never played with one, so I could be completely wrong).

What else should I be looking at? Suggestions?

 

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A couple options from Orc,

https://www.orcind.com/product...rkas-and-windshirts/

I have the pullover and have worn it running, biking, hiking, etc.  Does exactly what you'd expect and need it to.  Breathable with it's huge zipper and pretty water resistant.  Really nice to stuff into a corner of your pack to have as an extra layer.  Mine runs big.

I haven't worn it much lately, as I have soft shells that work better for me and are in civy colors.

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I have one from OTTE Gear that is good (M-Cam, full zip, hooded) but around here the difference between needing a wind shirt and a full-on hard shell might be a couple of minutes, or a shift in the wind.

I think some members here have/had good things to say about the Arc'teryx Wraith.

Pat_E posted:

I have one from OTTE Gear that is good (M-Cam, full zip, hooded) but around here the difference between needing a wind shirt and a full-on hard shell might be a couple of minutes, or a shift in the wind.

I think some members here have/had good things to say about the Arc'teryx Wraith.

I'm liking that OTTE Gear Windshirt...   I'd love to find a Arc'terx Wraith somewhere, but for some reason, I'm guessing that's going to be a little difficult... 

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standeasy posted:

I have one of these, packs very small. Not full zip but does the job

https://www.military1st.co.uk/...dshirt-camogrom.html

Nice!

 

How is the sizing?  I'm usually between a XL and XXL depending on the manufacturer (I'm ALWAYS a XXL in Arc'teryx).
I want to be able to wear it over a mid layer (like an ATOM LT) so maybe a XXL....

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I like how small it packs (it compresses to half this)!

Here is the Helikon Windrunner size chart

Over a Atom Lt is exactly how I use mine! I wear a size L in the Atom and a L in the Windrunner shirt, fit me fine as it is deliberately 'baggy' in the body to accommodate a fleece or similar. 

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Pat_E posted:

...around here the difference between needing a wind shirt and a full-on hard shell might be a couple of minutes, or a shift in the wind.

Agree. And as a result a lot of different definitions of "windshirt." I think hardshell, unlined, as low-featured as can be, and VERY thin materials but therefore it is not good for anything past wind and mist. If it rains to any degree you would call it "rain" you are risking things. And therefore, twice I have been caught out in monsoons, and ended up soaked. 

I mostly use one or another more serious hardshell (Marmot is my main one), and layer liners / warmth layers underneath to change temperature suitability, instead. 

Windshirt (Sierra Designs) is reserved for dry days, or exercise where I'll sweat anyway so need the extra breathability. 

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shoobe01 posted:
Pat_E posted:

...around here the difference between needing a wind shirt and a full-on hard shell might be a couple of minutes, or a shift in the wind.

Agree. And as a result a lot of different definitions of "windshirt." I think hardshell, unlined, as low-featured as can be, and VERY thin materials but therefore it is not good for anything past wind and mist. If it rains to any degree you would call it "rain" you are risking things. And therefore, twice I have been caught out in monsoons, and ended up soaked. 

I mostly use one or another more serious hardshell (Marmot is my main one), and layer liners / warmth layers underneath to change temperature suitability, instead. 

Windshirt (Sierra Designs) is reserved for dry days, or exercise where I'll sweat anyway so need the extra breathability. 

I agree.  I have an Arc'teryx Beta AR shell for my main shell and a Columbia packable shell for those times it "might" rain, but probably won't.  

But for the most part here in AZ, while camping / hunting / etc, it's clear but windy / cool.  

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standeasy posted:

I like how small it packs (it compresses to half this)!

Here is the Helikon Windrunner size chart

Over a Atom Lt is exactly how I use mine! I wear a size L in the Atom and a L in the Windrunner shirt, fit me fine as it is deliberately 'baggy' in the body to accommodate a fleece or similar. 

Thanks, they have 15% off right now, so I might give one a try.  I compared the sizes to Arc'teryx size chart and I'm thinking XXL (which is what my Atom LT is), but worse case, I can always swap it out for an XL if it's too baggy.

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Good discussion here from a couple years ago.

https://www.lightfighter.net/t...rstspear-windcheater

 

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I have not used it, but OR usually puts out good stuff, and their pro deal is always legit: https://www.outdoorresearch.co...cket/p/2643590968007

Personally, I'm using a Beyond Action Shirt; it's no longer in production in MultiCam, AFAIK, but ODG Lupus is available in all sizes, and is currently on sale. It's not a full zip, but the quarter zip is closer to being like a half-zip. The Tweave makes it nice and weather-resistant, but also pretty durable and quick drying.

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Default.mp3 posted:

I have not used it, but OR usually puts out good stuff, and their pro deal is always legit: https://www.outdoorresearch.co...cket/p/264359096800

That looks nice too.  I just went and signed up for the Pro Deal, so once I am approved, I'll see what my price will be.

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Malpaso posted:

Good discussion here from a couple years ago.

https://www.lightfighter.net/t...rstspear-windcheater

 

I REALLY like the Firstspear one (it's probably my 1st choice) but I'm trying not to spend that much $$ on a windshirt... although I might end up doing it anyway.  

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I have an arcteryx Wraith jacket and pants  (the LEAF version of the Squamish jacket).

WHAT ITS NOT - a dedicated outer layer,  a soft shell, or otherwise.

WHAT IT IS - a great emergency layer, additional layer or PT jacket.

I carry mine in summer for emergencies, as it'll hold up to lite rain and keeps wind out. Its great over a midlayer and under an outer garment (non windproof shell, BDUs, etc) to keep out wind and keep you warmer. Its perfect for a PT running jacket, keeping out wind without being too warm or bulky. Packs into its own pocket, works grand. Its not super durable, but its not designed to be worn as an outer layer primarily.

the FS windcheater is more of a softshell outer layer, than a PCU style windshirt, from what I gather from HPG forums and some online research.

Arktis on their Ebay online store has several models in weirdo camos if that's your thing as well, Ive never played with one, but guys I trust have and like them. An ebay search for PCU level 4 returns several versions of the military models (from beyond, Patagonia, orc, etc).

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I think a windshirt is an awesome, if mis-understood layer.  They certainly run mild to wild in price.  I bought several Propper L4 windshirts years ago and they are still going strong.  Also use the ORC L-4's, both half and full zip.  

I think of it as the outside layer of your happy suit.  Gives you some nuanced layering for different weather conditions.   Like worn under a cammie shirt.  Or under a windproof smock.  Great for on the move, when insulation layers are too much.

Hell you can even make your own happy suit by combining a windshirt, L2 gridded fleece, and another windshirt.

It makes a passable stand-alone outer layer; it will break the wind, and maybe a light mist, but not much else.   

Now the GI ECWS L4 "windshirt" is actually a nice softshell jacket.  And it does make a nice stand-alone outer layer.  Put a real windshirt underneath it and you're GTG.

This is perfect weather for one right now.  Temps around 30's to 40's; light winds but mostly dry.       

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I live in civ and mil L4/windshirts all winter long and it's my go to layer whenever rain is unlikely but there is or might be wind. I typically put a long sleeve, half zip L1 and or L2 as my action suit during cross country skiing or hiking.

My go to civilian one is an OR Ferrosi with hood. I have never used any style lighter than the ORC L4 PCU one, say, made out of parachute cloth, but I do love the idea. 

I briefly owned the First Spear, and yes, it's definitely closer to a softshell and not a parachute cloth item.  Because it has no stretch, fit is key and mine was a size too small.

The ECWCS L4 is one of the many reasons I want to design clothes for outdoor use.  I wish it was lighter wroght and had a good, and that the softshell/L5 had tons of pockets and was basically a smock.  I'd also make the L4 jacket the army's PT jacket.

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FourNinerZero posted:

I have an arcteryx Wraith jacket and pants  (the LEAF version of the Squamish jacket).

WHAT ITS NOT - a dedicated outer layer,  a soft shell, or otherwise.

WHAT IT IS - a great emergency layer, additional layer or PT jacket.

I carry mine in summer for emergencies, as it'll hold up to lite rain and keeps wind out. Its great over a midlayer and under an outer garment (non windproof shell, BDUs, etc) to keep out wind and keep you warmer. Its perfect for a PT running jacket, keeping out wind without being too warm or bulky. Packs into its own pocket, works grand. Its not super durable, but its not designed to be worn as an outer layer primarily.

the FS windcheater is more of a softshell outer layer, than a PCU style windshirt, from what I gather from HPG forums and some online research.

Arktis on their Ebay online store has several models in weirdo camos if that's your thing as well, Ive never played with one, but guys I trust have and like them. An ebay search for PCU level 4 returns several versions of the military models (from beyond, Patagonia, orc, etc).

Thanks. I think I might try to find a Arc'teryx Wraith in XXL (or maybe XL). I really like it, plus I'm a whore for Arc'teryx gear.... 😂

I have a feeling it might be hard to find one though.

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M1AVon posted:

I live in civ and mil L4/windshirts all winter long and it's my go to layer whenever rain is unlikely but there is or might be wind. I typically put a long sleeve, half zip L1 and or L2 as my action suit during cross country skiing or hiking

I briefly owned the First Spear, and yes, it's definitely closer to a softshell and not a parachute cloth item.  Because it has no stretch, fit is key and mine was a size too small.

Thanks for the info on the First spear jacket. I think I'll pass on it since it's more like a soft shell... 

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M1AVon posted:

https://www.outdoorresearch.co...cket/p/2643590968006

 

This may be a MC Ferrosi,  in which case I can't throw money at it hard enough.  $80 with discount. 

I just signed up for the OR Pro Deal today. It said it would take 2 to 3 days to get approved. I'm just waiting to see what the pro deal cost is on that jacket. If it's $80 I might snag one up... 

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I bought some civ skiing stuff from them about an hour ago, and that's easy. Their Gov website is odd and I don't know how to order from it. I may swing by their HQ and ask.

"You can find retailers near you by utilizing our Store Finder. If you’re local, you can also stop by the Outdoor Research Seattle Store at 2203 1st Ave South, Seattle WA 98134 to see if we have your item in stock. Give them a call at (206) 971-1496 beforehand to check for product availability."

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M1AVon posted:

https://www.outdoorresearch.co...cket/p/2643590968006

 

This may be a MC Ferrosi,  in which case I can't throw money at it hard enough.  $80 with discount. 

It's a lot lighter than the Ferrosi, according to the spec sheet; if the Ferrosi jacket is anything like the pants in material, then it'd probably be closer to my Beyond Action Shirt. The Prevail seems to just be a super lightweight nylon jacket with a DWR treatment, and is about a third of the weight of the Ferrosi Hooded Jacket if the spec sheets are to be trusted.

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M1AVon posted:

I live in civ and mil L4/windshirts all winter long and it's my go to layer whenever rain is unlikely but there is or might be wind. I typically put a long sleeve, half zip L1 and or L2 as my action suit during cross country skiing or hiking.

My go to civilian one is an OR Ferrosi with hood. I have never used any style lighter than the ORC L4 PCU one, say, made out of parachute cloth, but I do love the idea. 

I briefly owned the First Spear, and yes, it's definitely closer to a softshell and not a parachute cloth item.  Because it has no stretch, fit is key and mine was a size too small.

The ECWCS L4 is one of the many reasons I want to design clothes for outdoor use.  I wish it was lighter wroght and had a good, and that the softshell/L5 had tons of pockets and was basically a smock.  I'd also make the L4 jacket the army's PT jacket.

+ 100 on the Ferrosi, especially for workouts/runs in dry conditions  or even light rain..

..the money I'd give for a shirt that would make "windy" people go away...lol

 

 

 

 

Well, I just got approved for the OR Pro deal.  Good price on the Prevail Hooded Jacket, but unfortunately they are out of the size I need.  Now I wait for a re-stock...

I'm still going to try and find a Arc'Teryx Wraith jacket, but it seems like it's going to be a hard task to complete. 

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I know things have improved a lot since I first joined Lightfighter, but back in the day these seemed to be the hot item in wind shirts.  I'm sure some of you other older LF members will crack a smile at these.  They have an e bay store and a USA store as well but it's all online.

Price is pretty good comparatively.

https://www.arktisoutdoor.co.u.../a192-stowaway-shirt

https://www.arktisoutdoor.co.u...stowaway-shirt-black

I've had two.  Lost one while fishing years ago, but still have my OD one.  I just keep it handy in my pack for whatever.

Mine does not have the hood and I don't remember if they made them with the hood back in the day.  Just a thought. 

I do own the OR Ferossi Hoody and I love that thing.  My 50+ go to jacket and maybe lower with added layers.

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ianq posted:

Well, I just got approved for the OR Pro deal.  Good price on the Prevail Hooded Jacket, but unfortunately they are out of the size I need.  Now I wait for a re-stock...

I'm still going to try and find a Arc'Teryx Wraith jacket, but it seems like it's going to be a hard task to complete. 

Anyone have info on OR sizing???

Reason I ask, is OR just told me they are not doing any restock on their MIL line of items anytime soon.  I am looking at the Prevail in Multicam in XXL.  They only have XL in-stock for the Pro Deal Price.

I was going with XXL because A) That's what I wear in the Arc'teryx world  B) I wanted to be able to layer it over other items if needed.  In other brands I range from XL to XXL depending on the brand.  (I'm 6'2 about 235-240) but don't really like a "snug" fit.

I'm just trying to see if the XL would be large enough.  I'm sure it would be fine over a shirt, but not sure about over a larger mid layer if needed. I see other places have the Prevail in XXL Multicam in stock, but obviously it's more than the OR Pro Deal Price.  

On a side note, I've been reading and told the Arc'teryx Wraith Jacket runs REALLY large (especially for a Arc'teryx product) so I'd be looking for a XL in that.  Just wondering how OR sizing is...

Sorry for the ramble!

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Not exactly apples to apples, but I found the OR Tradecraft Jacket to be more relaxed than my Atom LT, comparing small to small.

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I picked up the ECWS windshirt in multicam for about 100 bucks. It packs down small and is a great light layer when I need something lighter than a full on jacket, or something to go over a fleece that the wind just goes straight through.

Im still kicking myself for not getting  a Patagonia wind jacket with the shoulder Velcro and pockets back when they sold them. Got one for the wife, I wish it was mine.

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fishnshoot posted:

I know things have improved a lot since I first joined Lightfighter, but back in the day these seemed to be the hot item in wind shirts.  I'm sure some of you other older LF members will crack a smile at these.  They have an e bay store and a USA store as well but it's all online.

Price is pretty good comparatively.

https://www.arktisoutdoor.co.u.../a192-stowaway-shirt

https://www.arktisoutdoor.co.u...stowaway-shirt-black

I've had two.  Lost one while fishing years ago, but still have my OD one.  I just keep it handy in my pack for whatever.

The flektarn A192 is on sale now for £17.51.

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FYI on the civvy OR sizing, my XL Ferossi jackets/hoodys (I may have a problem) just fit over my civvy Atom LT in XL.  You might want to try the XXL, but a lot of OR sizing follows pretty close with my Deadbird such as Delta LT.

I would follow your Deadbird sizing, the Ferossi layers over an Atom very well when you need to keep the wind out.

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