Tell us about your subgun experiences:

SGreen posted:

Well, I guess there's no "edit".

I almost forgot that when I was issued the S&W 76 I couldn't stop thinking about the theatrical "Mr Green" from 'Taking of Pelham 123'. 

I remember reading in Guns & Ammo years ago (20 or more) that they did a test on a semi auto version of the S & W 76 and they were implying that it was something coming out in the future.  Well the future is here and I don’t recall it ever coming to market. It would only run with ball ammo. Now my memory could be suspect and it was a real full auto 76 they tested and the rest is just wishful thinking from a two time stroke survivor

The 76 is a clone of sorts of the Swedish K, they said. Never having knowingly seen a K I wouldn’t know. Also don’t know the proper nomenclature of the K. 

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SGreen posted:

Hey Mojo, 

When I used the S&W 76 it was early to mid '80s. I was taught that it was a Swedish K clone built for some units during Viet Nam.

Legend has it that '76' was the price to produce them.

The Swedes stopped selling us K's as they didn't approve of their use in Vietnam, so S&W made clones to replace them. 

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MOJONIXON posted:
SGreen posted:

Well, I guess there's no "edit".

I almost forgot that when I was issued the S&W 76 I couldn't stop thinking about the theatrical "Mr Green" from 'Taking of Pelham 123'. 

I remember reading in Guns & Ammo years ago (20 or more) that they did a test on a semi auto version of the S & W 76 and they were implying that it was something coming out in the future.  Well the future is here and I don’t recall it ever coming to market. It would only run with ball ammo. Now my memory could be suspect and it was a real full auto 76 they tested and the rest is just wishful thinking from a two time stroke survivor

The 76 is a clone of sorts of the Swedish K, they said. Never having knowingly seen a K I wouldn’t know. Also don’t know the proper nomenclature of the K. 

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MOJONIXON posted:
I remember reading in Guns & Ammo years ago (20 or more) that they did a test on a semi auto version of the S & W 76 and they were implying that it was something coming out in the future.  Well the future is here and I don’t recall it ever coming to market. It would only run with ball ammo. Now my memory could be suspect and it was a real full auto 76 they tested and the rest is just wishful thinking from a two time stroke survivor 
 

It came out. I also read such a review, and saw 1-2 of the semi-76 somewhat after that. I guess not many made, and IIRC pretty pricey and stupid long barrel. I do not recall how they got around redesigning it to not be open bolt, but that would presumably be a big deal and change everything about how the gun works. 

ETA: googled a reference, now I recall. S&W sold the rights to MK Arms (Industries?) and they made a few more SMGs, and parts which they supplied to governments which still had 76s in service. I think maybe possibly some were compatible with Carl Gustav m/45s so they sold some of those also when the US was a happier arms-providing partner. 

MK wanted to break into civilian sales, so a semi-auto version was the obvious answer. 

MK Arms, Irvine, California 

Referred to as "Irvine Guns". Guns will be marked "Irvine, CA". 
Mike Ruplinger moved his operation to Irvine, California in 1984. He kept the "MK Arms" name. MK Arms also made semi-auto pistol and carbine versions. The serial number prefixes used were S (smg), C (carbine) and P (pistol). Full auto Irvine guns will be found with all 3 serial number prefixes. These were most likely machine guns made in-house from receivers intended for semi-autos. This was done in order to get as many machine guns registered as possible prior to the 1986 ban taking affect.

I have no more info or recollection. 

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SGreen posted:

I never understood what kind of German sorcery allowed guns to run fine, but upon disassembly find the roller assembly had come undone. 

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FUBAR posted:
SGreen posted:

I never understood what kind of German sorcery allowed guns to run fine, but upon disassembly find the roller assembly had come undone. 

So said every Lance Corporal conducting weapons cleaning at the armory benches after a shooting package at Chesapeake, VA.

Those little things are a disaster.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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I regularly carry an UMP .40 on ATV patrol.  The folded size and lower weight are the biggest factors - a slung M4 tends to become very uncomfortable at the the end of a long bumpy ride, as well as snagging on brush and occasionally on the quad, inhibiting weight shifts.  I was originally unhappy about the compromise, but the UMP has grown on me.

The HSGI extended pistol TACO works very well on my belt for my reload, better than I thought it would.  Pretty happy with the setup.

I cannot carry hot, as bouncing around on my back can sometimes disengage the safety.

The gun gets dusty as fuck, but so far hasn't choked.  I clean it regularly, but qual dirty to test it's limits.  So far the simple blowback design has worked out.  It's more important to clean mags, but mags hating dust is pretty universal.

The top rail is only attached by two bolts set into the receiver plastic.  Add a bulky sight such as an EOtech (necessary for shooting with a moto helmet on) and you've got a definite failure point.

The trigger is pretty heavy, but has a fairly decent feel.  Shooting is a blast, and recoil is very manageable. Dumping a full mag into a respectable group is easy and fun.

Definitely not perfect, but I'm overall happy with the UMP as a duty weapon.  Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to survive our upcoming switch to 9mm.  Rumor is that we won't replace it with another SMG, and will field SBRs.

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For those who have shot both, how do the UMP and MP5 compare?

I remember when the UMP came out, there were the usual gun rag articles giving it high marks.

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jcustisredux posted:

For those who have shot both, how do the UMP and MP5 compare?

I remember when the UMP came out, there were the usual gun rag articles giving it high marks.

It has been several years.  All I've shot is the UMP 40 and 45.

The MP5 is a roller delayed blowback system whereas as the UMP is a straight blowback.  The reciprocating weight of the heavier bolt in the UMP does cause more 'jump.'   Some of which is attributable to the caliber difference, not sure how the UMP 9's shoot.

The MP5 fires about 150- 200 rpm faster than the UMP.

The UMP and MP5 have the same general type cocking mechanism - bolt is held to rear by rotating cocking handle in detent.  To close action, smack the handle out of the detent.

UMP locks back on last round.  The bolt catch functions the same as the M4 catch.

UMP easier to field strip, although MP5 isn't difficult by any means.  On the first UMP's you had to be careful not to rotate the lower beyond 80 degrees when disassembling fo fear of damaging the attachment lugs.  Not sure if this is still the case.

The factory sights on the MP5 are better, but who uses them?  UMP has a rail.

MP5 is funner to shoot and in my experience more accurate.

 

A buddy is an SOT, so I've got to play with his SMGs a bit

MP5's (in general) - Anyone that's read my Z5RS SBR thread knows I'm an MP5 slut. I love how little recoil the roller locking action has and it's fast and intuitive to use iron sights. It's stupid fun and easy to shoot, at least after you get used to the ergos and lack of a bolt hold open. 

MP5SD (w/ KAC can)- Amazing, probably the most fun that can be had on full auto. Very quiet, nice to be able to use regular 9mm, and feels like shooting a .22 and sounds like a typewriter. Very accurate and controllable. We've put easily 20-30 mags through it without a cleaning and still runs like a top. Pretty much everyone's fav gun after they get a mag through it. 

MP5K PDW- Tiny, easy to conceal and suppressed well. Usually has a B&T stock on it that's pretty comfy, the Choate stock looks cooler but is too easy to unlock when shooting extended. Accurate, but the shorter sight radius keeps it from being as spot on as the SD. Because I have longer arms it's also kinda awkward to shoot. 

MP5/10- Only 10mm I've ever shot, seemed a lot more controllable than I'd expect but they weren't full house 10mm loads either. Bolt hold open is nice, but I'm not used to them on MP5's so I always forget it's there.  

MP5K Suitcase - Yeah, I've got a few mags through the Teutonic Suitcase o' Death... man is it fun. And stupid. Even at "you've got something in your teeth" distances, hard to hit shit. A .22 derringer is more effective...

UMP 9/45 - I thought I'd really like them, as  they were supposed to replace the MP5. Turns out there's a reason why they still make the MP5. It feels really "bouncy", the blowback combined with polymer frame doesn't run nearly as smooth as the MP5 nor as controllable. Also the .45 mags are a PITA to load up. 

P90- Extremely controllable, just seems to almost do small circles over the target center mass on full auto, even doing extended mag dumps. Mag changes aren't nearly as awkward as they look, just make sure to slam it in hard with your fist. Loading the mags feels like a never ending chore, each round requires more effort to load and there's 50 of them to get in there. Feels like shooting a .22, but that's because you practically are- a really expensive .22 magnum, and that's where it really fails for practical purposes. I'd be pretty pissed if someone tried to kill me with one. 

AKS-74U "Krinkov" - Yeah it might shoot a 5.45x39 round, but it's an SMG right? Pretty fun and powerful for the package, but with its sights and muzzle blast it's definitely a PDW / CQB type weapon. On full auto it's a bit overkill, but on semi feels practical and easy to get controlled pairs on multiple targets.  

HK53 - You'd think it's a pussycat compared to it's older brothers, the MP5 and HK33. Yeah, not so much. Pretty blasty, and not very practical on full auto (like the Krink). Also 5.56 ballistics out of a 9" barrel are less than impressive. Still looks wicked cool.

Honorable Mention:

MP 40 - Holy shit these shoot nice. They're straight blowback, but with a low cyclic rate and a telescoping bolt they're total pussycats. I read about a SOG dude in Vietnam that was a WW2 vet that carried one, and trust me... I get it now. Even with it's wobbly stock it was really controllable and easy to get solid hits.   

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So timely to this discussion from Soldier Systems and PEO Sildier:

http://soldiersystems.net/2018...sub-compact-weapons/

"US Army Seeks Sub Compact Weapons


Project Manager Soldier Weapons (PM SW), has issued an Request for Information (RFI) to obtain information and feedback from industry regarding Sub Compact Weapons (SCW), which they describe as full/semi-automatic selectable in 9×19 mm and with a MIL-STD 1913 rail (Picatinny Rail).

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They are not only interested in a weapon, but also accessories including: magazines, cleaning kits, suppressors, specialized tool kit (if required), spare parts, slings, carrying cases, manuals.

PM SW wants industry’s feedback on:

1. Given the conditions above, how many proposals (SCW systems) would you consider submitting?

2. Given the possible submissions that the vendor may decide to submit please provide technical information for each sub compact weapon.

a) Will your sub compact weapon be ambidextrous?

b) What safety testing has been conducted on your sub compact weapon system?

c) What is the price of your sub compact weapon and do you provide economy of scale?

3. Where are your production facility location(s)?

4. Please elaborate on each of these areas:

a) Past repair/refurbishment experiences with other state or federal Government agencies

b) Technical manual development experience

5. What is your warranty coverage?

This RFI will help inform the formal requirement for SCW. Responses are due 18 May 2018. See www.fbo.gov for full details."

I have a Sig MPX with a 6.5" barrel and folding stock on a form 4. I also have a CZ Skorpion Evo pistol with a folding arm brace while I wait on the Form 1 to clear. 

Sig: I appreciate the familiar controls, it runs anything, stupid metric thread barrel is annoying. It's slightly louder than the CZ with the same TiRant can. It's pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a Sig 9mm AR. Good fit and finish, nice gun.

 

CZ: I actually like this gun better than the Sig. It seems to have slightly less recoil, possibly due to the heavy bolt. It's surprisingly accurate, but no more or less than the Sig from what I can tell. I'm interested to see what it's like with the factory stock.

 

 

I live in a Free State. I bought an Uzi back in 1988. If I had bought one in April of 1986 before the freeze (there is no "ban") it would've cost me $650. I paid $1,200 for an Uzi in 9mm made by Group Industries.

I have a Vector .22 conversion unit for it that actually runs on full auto if you feed it CCI Mini-Mags or other quality high velocity ammo with a plated bullet.

I didn't shoot it much for a number of years because I didn't have access to a range that allowed full auto, but one of the local commercial ranges now does full auto rentals so I go shoot the Uzi there once in a while.

The Uzi is built like a tank, has big sights and is easy to shoot.

I have a friend who bought an Ingram Mac-10 back in 1979 (I don't remember if his is an actual Sionics or made by somebody else). In about 1985 or so he bought an AWC suppressor for it. Much fun to shoot. Very fast cyclic rate. You've got to touch the trigger and get off of it quick.

The first full auto I ever shot was a Riesing M50. Had a TERRIBLE long gritty trigger.

I went to NRA Police Sub-machinegun Instructor School back in 1991. Colt 635s were provided. I also shot my personal Uzi. I've got to shoot Colt SMGs a few times since. I always liked them and I'd own one if I could. My perception was that the Colt 635 was kind of "bouncy" -- that may be just having the buffer spring cycling rapidly right next to my ear. (I have a Colt 6530 9mm PCC that I've had since 1992 that I use as a sub-caliber trainer and now occasionally shoot in USPSA and IDPA matches)

The local Sheriff's Department SWAT Team used to have HK MP-5s. I got to shoot those a few times YEARS ago. They look cool, they shoot cool, and I have long thumbs so their weird selector wasn't a particular issue for me. I might buy a Umarex MP5 A5 in .22 just because.

I've fired a couple of Thompsons -- M1928s and M1s. I'm 6 foot 4 and have 36 inch long arms and the stock of the Thompson was always WAY too long for me. If I owned one, I'd have to buy another stock and trim it a little to get it to fit properly.

I've also shot Stens a few times. Found them awkward to use. I haven't shot one in many years, although one of my friends has one. And I ran a magazine through a Smith & Wesson 76 once. Don't have any particular memories of that one. And a Walther 9mm SMG too -- don't remember if it was an MPK or MPL. Don't remember much about that one either except that the stock slipped out of my shoulder.

 

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My department still has Mp5s, and they occasionally come out of the closet on callouts but like most departments AR pattern rifles have become the standard with Mp5s the specialized gun. I also got to throw a few mags downrange on an M3a1 a few months back. I understand why GIs liked it so much, it was very controllable given the slow rate of fire. Stock is bullshit though.

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This is the Danish MADSEN 9mm submachinegun.  It was the very first completely sterile weapon I had ever put my hands on.  There was no engraving, no serial number, NOTHING, inside and out -- clean and unattributable.  It has a thumb safety directly behind the magazine well -- it must be depressed to fire.

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The American 180 ran really reliably, once you figured what particular ammo to run through it.   Sounded like you are ripping a piece of canvas.  I had a bunch of rounds through two different ones, and both ate the same kind of ammo-Wildcats I think (which in the grand scheme of things is not a particularly higher end .22 LR ammo) like a proverbial Swiss watch.   

Great video on the American 180. If you don't subscribe to Gun Jesus's channel, you're wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J50N5lQoAFw

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If I had one of those, the squirrels in my neighborhood (those that remained) would be deciding on the long road to relocation and potential existence or futile exercise of armed insurrection and certain extinction.  

Either way, that thing looks and sounds bitchin and that rotating sky restaurant mag of sub caliber doom is master of all it surveys!

sky rats beware!!

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cws726 posted:

If I had one of those, the squirrels in my neighborhood (those that remained) would be deciding on the long road to relocation and potential existence or futile exercise of armed insurrection and certain extinction.  

Either way, that thing looks and sounds bitchin and that rotating sky restaurant mag of sub caliber doom is master of all it surveys!

sky rats beware!!

Capped off with a suppressor?

Ahh sub-guns.... Brings back some memories. We ran MP5-40's with Navy trigger groups on SWAT for close to 10 years.  I must have put 70-100k through mine over the years. Loved that gun! Unfortunately we only had the old incandescent lights and no red dot sights of any kind. I could easily run the trigger for single shots even on full auto and dump an entire mag into a 9 inch pie pan at 15 yards. A 100 yard shot on a 15 inch steel plate wasn't too difficult with a little practice.   We had the fixed stock version. Yes, I will openly admit that we foolishly ran the selectors flipped to auto when we made entry. In retrospect not the smartest call. Our department had about 15 of them and never had one issue, they ran like sewing machines.

     Don't ask what happened to them..... We had/still have  an idiot command staff supervisor who chopped the receivers in half to sell the parts when we went to carbines. The department needed the money for the transition and according to him "no one wanted them"... They were LE only guns.. Makes me sick.

    We still have a couple of Beretta 12S guns locked up in the armory because they can't be sold.

Other subs:

I've put a few thousand rounds through H&K UMP's . Not a big fan after using an MP5, but they run. Also a few hundred through our 12S guns. Fun to shoot but heavy. I've had the opportunities to run Glock 18, fun but pointless, MP5SD, excellent weapon, FNP90, odd little gun but very controllable, M3 Grease Gun, Thompson, MP-40, Mac 10 .45, Uzi and Sten, all fun to shoot, the Thompson  is simply an awesome weapon.  Good times!   

Bill, Idaho posted:

The American 180 ran really reliably, once you figured what particular ammo to run through it.   Sounded like you are ripping a piece of canvas.  I had a bunch of rounds through two different ones, and both ate the same kind of ammo-Wildcats I think (which in the grand scheme of things is not a particularly higher end .22 LR ammo) like a proverbial Swiss watch.   

A gentleman that goes to JOJOs has one.  God, it is nice.  His like Stingers which for a .22lr zip right along.  Despite the caliber that a lot of people would question, in close quarters I certainly would not want to be on the receiving end of a 20-30 rd burst.  I imagine the wound would be horrific.

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IIRC, the original use case for the American 180 was for prison guards in guard towers. The idea was to give them something with more range than a shotgun, but not so much as a high powered rifle. It didn't catch on for that use, but it looks like it'd be a lot of fun.

Semi-official histories insist it was totally sold to LE and prisons: 

...The original market for the American 180 was local Police Departments. A substantial number of guns were sold to the police. Federal and State Penitentiaries were also purchasers of the American 180 for prison population control. When equipped with the Laser-Lok siteing system, it is rumored that the projected red dot tended to have a very calming effect on whomever it came to rest. Many Federal Penitentiaries still have the gun in service, and periodically will exhibit its intimidating firepower to inmates.

Ironically, this same intimidating 1500 rounds per minute (1800 rounds per minute when chambered for .22 short magnum) pounding action of the American 180, which could easily demolish a cinder block wall, also had the power to defeat most soft body armor that certain prison gaurds wear. For this reason, some State Penitentiaries retired the American 180 shortly after they were acquired...

But I have yet to see a corrections officer or police officer who can confirm one in their arms room so... yeah. 

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The video I posted earlier from Forgotten Weapons talks about it's LE origins including an OIS involving one.

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I have been playing with my SWD 11 quite a bit lately. This is mostly due to finally dropping the coin on a Lage upper, stock, vfd and quite a few other goodies for it.

Before hand it was a absolute monster and frankly, pretty damn dangerous.

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Gun Jesus and Ken Hackathron talk about the Thompson and MP5, pretty good info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlM-ajb8G7o

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My only experiences are with MP5K-PDW, Thompson M1A1, and an Uzi.

The M1A1 and Uzi were at a range.  Both were heavy.  Interestingly, despite all the lore about controllability, the Thompson was very easy to shoot.  The Uzi much less so.  They were both fun, and with the limited amount of shooting each, I much preferred the Thompson.  It has always been my favorite, from childhood.

The MP5K-PDW was used on a team I was deployed on.  I trained and qualified with this gun.  I carried it on missions, but I never shot anyone with it.  It was extremely easy to shoot a perfect qualification score with.  The trigger was responsive, and it was very easy to fire single and double shots on full-auto.  This surprised me.  The gun is certainly a niche filler, but if I had to choose one subgun, this would be it.  Compact.  Accurate.  Controllable.  Sexy.  I plan to do a semi  SBR of one.

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DIRTYSANCHEZ, you didn't complain about the safety lever on the PDW. Everyone complains it's anti-ergonomic, want to hear your thoughts as well. 

If I haven't done this before (and tell me to fuck off and delete the response if I have), I've never had an issue, at least on the 2-pin guns (HK33, MP5). If you grab the gun with the right-most bit of the web of your hand, the trigger finger addresses more with the tip and you get more reach on the thumb. I have a literally (though minorly) deformed right thumb and can work HK safety levers just fine. Have taught a few others the same, so it's not some other part of me being a mutant.

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shoobe01 posted:

DIRTYSANCHEZ, you didn't complain about the safety lever on the PDW. Everyone complains it's anti-ergonomic, want to hear your thoughts as well. 

If I haven't done this before (and tell me to fuck off and delete the response if I have), I've never had an issue, at least on the 2-pin guns (HK33, MP5). If you grab the gun with the right-most bit of the web of your hand, the trigger finger addresses more with the tip and you get more reach on the thumb. I have a literally (though minorly) deformed right thumb and can work HK safety levers just fine. Have taught a few others the same, so it's not some other part of me being a mutant.

I'm a lefty.  I have spent my entire life and career navigating and adjusting handling techniques around weapons (and other devices) made for right handed people.   If the safety was a problem, I didn't notice it, and just took it in stride.   Any lefty like me will probably agree.  Heck, I got so used to having to use right handed scissors, I cannot use lefty scissors.  A bunch of other daily things, as well.

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Good answer, but also: your guns had only left side safeties? I guess I thought all PDWs were late-production so came with pictogram ("Navy") lowers, which are (again: I thought) all ambi. But... no it would seem. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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