Something that came to mind from my experiences during Harvey. Quite a few people ended up evacuating, some to places like ours that also got hit but not as bad. 

 

Typical commentary going something like "hey bro my roof caved in, all i got is whats in my truck, can i sleep here?"  The smarter ones tended to have said evacuees added to the local security once looting started. 

All the looters we saw tended to be the same hood rat types we normally handle just with better shopping opportunities during disaster situations.  Most, confronted by a visibly alert and armed guard, moved on. Others got shot at and ran for it.  None of our antilooter shootings expended more than about 5 rounds.

Some of the people who had to relocate were our own LE guys, and some just had what was on them,  ie a pistol or not even that.   So some of our guys started discussing "bro guns", ie what in their personal collections would be useful to arm spare people. 

 

While obviously a tricked out AR would be nice, realistically most don't have a safe full of ARs they're willing to just pass out, even to family.  Spare shotguns (bird length or otherwise) , leverguns, etc with a box or two of good ammo are common enough and decent quality if you have one laying around. A weaponlight attached would be optimal. 

 

Even a 10/22 in capable hands can severely disrupt a looters night if its what you have handy.

In my case, i have enough WW2 bolt actions for a small fireteam. Obviously not the newest thing in fighting guns and ammo isnt cheap anymore, but certainly capable.  

Something worth thinking about in your safes... finding a supercheap 6720 or so-so Armalite may be worth a minor investment for a rainy day.

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All of my gun/ammo/accessories purchases since 2001 have been made with "loaner" suitability in mind.  May not have been the deciding factor, but it played a part.

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Location:  Fucking Connecticut.  Goddammit.

I've thought about this as well, but here's the problem I have. The people I know who are gun savvy have their guns and have planned ahead, like we tend to do. The marginal ones who might need a loan, probably have enough knowledge and ability to utilize a revolver, maybe a pump gun (but maybe not under stress) but definitely not a semi anything. I think there's a  possibility we might overestimate others' capabilities.

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In a few cases some of our people that ended up not fully equipped had a spouse or one of the older kids an 18 or older whatever run home and pack bags grab some stuff but didn't grab everything, ie grabbed their daily carry gun and a mag or two but not the ARs or shotgun or whatever, then the house ended up getting trashed. 

Most of my loaner guns are something i know most can run easily. Bolts and pumps, due to Texas having lots of hunters. Even not really shooter housewives dove hunt here and can run an 870 decently.

Stockpiling 30 or 40 rounds of buckshot for your extra bird gun, or 2 or 3 boxes for a deer rifle is better than nothing. All my dedicated fighting guns are spoken for, i.e me, wife, either dads (both are rusty but combat veterans, a 5 minute refresher would do fine). Ive considered building a basic/retro AR just for older family members since all of them carried the M16A1/A2 in their time.

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I have bro guns but they are Glocks for my wife's cop friends a few Berettas for my Army friends, and a Spikes M4 type carbine with  a compM2, Armalite M4 type Carbine with carry handle, and a PSA middy with a carry handle.  Last two are for the kids but they are loaners for now.  I have a Centurion Arms mk12 and two LWRCi carbines but the glass is more than the carbines before these.  

It really depends on the person.  I have a M1 and a M1 carbine and the M1 carbine is for my mom because she learned how to shot on it.  It was my granddad's.

I'm confident in my ability to suitably equip section-sized element...or all the family I have locally.

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Funny that I should see this thread today. I commented to a friend of mine yesterday afternoon that the LGS had a used PPS M2 LE. (She is the one who opened my eyes to the PPQ, and thus the PPS M2 for a situation where a G19 or G26 might be too large.)  The conversation went thusly:

Me: Argh, there's a PPS M2 at [Redacted so you assholes who are local don't buy it out from under me]
Ash:  Lol. You're going to need a storage unit for all your toys �� But, I'm totally coming to your house for the zombie apocalypse
Me: Of course. Note I haven't actually bought it yet.
Her: Yet...
(a while later)
me: It's like you know me well or something
her: So did you buy it?

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I've thought about this a lot  when my kids were growing up I decided I would outfit them with same type of guns I use.  Each of them when young were given a 10-22, when they turned 21, a pistol, an AR and then a bolt gun. Okay so now they are older and moved away. I've put aside a set for when they travel home so it is easier when they fly.  They were my first priority, now with ARs so cheap to build I have built a few just to have. Now most people I know are shooters who travel armed. However there may be a time when someone may be forced out of their home without anything. So went friends and family come to visit........well you know the rest. 

Depends on the friends and the guns and your disposable income, etc etc

I got shit for buying a S&W SD9..better gun then you would expect. I've seen them down to $225. A couple of those stored in an ammo can with a few boxes of ammo and a cheap holster...and just sign them out like an arms room...

Alternatively,  used Glocks that use the same mags as each other.

For long guns...a few Rem 870s or Mossbergs..even those chinese or turkish made copies. I'm not a shotgun lover though.

Some of the mid to lower end AR's...

 Again, what's your plan? A cheap gun is better then no gun..if it can get thru a a few boxes of ammo, you should be alright for anti-looter use...or...if you fired it that much..perhaps something better should now be available to you.

The Ar's at least can upgraded over time, and easily.

Revolvers and pump guns for the untrained...meh...they are both more difficult to shoot well with limited training, lack capacity. are slower to reload...slower still with limited training.

I always thought the single shot H&R Handi rifles, when they were still made, had some utility in an end of the world situation...short term for younger or uninitiated shooters who could use it from protected/high ground position...and learn to shoot in a long term scenario..then upgrade to the combat gun. The basic advantage is  price..you could buy a few of them in a common caliber that either you stock, or can be pilfered(if you are into the zombie scenario thing) put a mid price scope on them, and still be well under a basic AR.

If you've been to basic training, you can shoot an AR, "good enough" and could easily transition to a striker fired pistol..like the SD or Glock.

Most of the guys I know that would look to me for some sort of help, have some level of training with good combat guns, ie: Glock and M4's. They just may not own an appropriate gun or have it available to them.

But, I'm also careful with how I use the word "friend".

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Bob, good thoughts on the shotguns.  I owned and sold two successive Benelli Nova about 15 years ago now.  I want a Benelli M4, and I'd love another Nova (and keep the fucker this time!) because a pump might be easier for some to manipulate.

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 I'm not a shotgun type of guy but I know there value especially in a ban state where everything not in a wood stock is an " a-salt rifle". With that, Ive picked up a few used 500s & 870s at dirt cheap prices for "Bro guns" . All needed some minor work & cleaning up but after buying & testing with some cheap, bulk 12 ga all worked fine. Packed up in case with a sling, cable lock, ammo, and a copy of the manual in zip bag and off they went to friends and family in need. I've lent out two of them during "Iffy times" and one never came back which is fine as it was my cousin. Sandy taught me alot about bro guns and people  as a bunch of experienced people  mostly pistol folks asked me for "something better" but freaked out when offered an AR. 

Having an assortment of "Snap Caps" or other similar dummy rounds on hand in calibers common with your firearms would allow you to conduct some safe familiarization training for those that have never handled those types of firearms and would allow you to determine their level of confidence with the firearm in question.

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AR-15s are cheaper now than they've ever been.  Ever.  If you think you need a gun to keep around to hand off to a buddy in an emergency, I can't think of a better option than a bargain-bin AR-15 with an el-cheapo red dot on it.  Easy to train, easy to use, and you can share mags.


Certainly better than handing out Mauser 98s and 6ft long shotguns.

I've been looking for old Surefire forends online and at some gunshows for that. I picked up used 18 & 20" bbls for the "Bro guns" sold the longer ones to offset costs. So far, hasn't been too bad investment wise maybe $600+/-. As these were not a primary "go to" gun, after puchase, examination and functional test fire everything was purchased slowly, over time. If needed, they were ready to go as is in the past but currently now are somewhat optimitally configured ( shorter bbl, sling, upgraded stocks, current internal parts, extended mag tubes)  save for WML. Finish is what came on them as is sights, beads. As aside, I'm amazed at how many guns are so neglected by the casual owner/user as to not be 100% functional. Owners just wanted to get rid of them & I even offered to clean them up to see what is wrong if anything. I only encountered a fucked up mag tube on a Maverick 88 that was sold off by me with full disclosure. All the others turned out to be cleaning, tlc and some minor parts. We truly live in a disposable society...

Yup. A "bro" who is a reasonably reliable family friend is ok with pistols (former deputy from NY) and familiar with ARs, etc enough to be handed one and trusted. A few months pre Harvey he inquired about a serious long gun. He lives in an apt.  Older guy, early 40s. No hunting,  no major training or competition in his future and limited budget. A used 870 being upgraded piece by piece is in his immediate future. At the time, 4 LFers were there so he got to see a 28" Benelli,  a 870P, an Archer Kanon and a 22" multigun Remington Versamax side by side. Hes familiar with pumps from his past and for typical defense stuff, the shotgun will serve him well. 

 

I'm not specifically buying stuff for the purpose but i have at least GI slings on anything I'd conceivably arm some bros with.  And most pistols have at least one or two holsters. 

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MrMurphy posted:

  Older guy, early 40s.

Bastard

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Agree on revolvers, pumps, and even levers being a bad choice for a GP "hand-out" gun.  One reason is cost, another complexity.  But an even bigger reason is my ability to teach others quickly.  The AR and Glock are the weapons I am most familiar with, knowledgeable about, and the ones I have the most experience teaching others to use.  Also the two I maintain significant ammo, mags, & parts for.  I would add a red dot to ARs, even a cheap one, as sighting is the biggest issue "new" users will have, and it provides the most ROI in its ability to improve odds of hitting the target, boosting confidence, speeding the teaching process, etc.  Yes on slings, but cheap carry straps are likely enough for most, skip the two-point tactical slings.

Pistols...Glock or Glock-like in 9mm.  I picked up a Taurus Millennium G2 PT111 last year for $185.  12+1, two mags, external safety, and works.  I actually like it for what it is, and the trigger broke in after 50-ish rounds to be quite decent.  Yeah, it's a Taurus, but at $185, I wish I'd bought three.  Just grabbed a M&P Shield for $289, and it's nice, too.  The Taurus wins, though, on price, capacity, ease of disassembly, and on being a better size for serious use.  I keep it in the wife's mini-van, stowed away for a bad day.

Let's go a bit further...how about a simple "go" bag for the hastily-equipped clan in a disaster or defensive scenario?  I think a simple, cheap backpack with 4x bottled water, an MRE, FRS radio, flashlight, 4 rifle mags, simple cleaning kit (lube, toothbrush, boresnake), couple of those cheap USCG/German made parachute flares, and a poncho.

"It's when you fuck up that you will hear from your peers, not when you are doing your job. We expect people to do their jobs, and don't praise them like six year olds who successfully tied their shoes when they do. " - Fatty

 

If in doubt about the tone of my post, please refer to avatar.

I bought a PSA AR in parts for less than $400. That would be a good buddy gun. 

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Yes, older, as in set in his ways and without large amounts of expendable income. I hit 40 next month, i work with 23 yr olds that have $50k trucks and no other major bills. I have a house,  land, wife, kid and car payment on the same pay.

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So this is actually something my wife and I have discussed rather frequently. This is what I had in mind, understanding that this is a long term goal. Bear with me.

Four rifles. Either AR-15 variants or akm variants. Think PSA Premium, or Wasrs. Each rifle would be assigned five (5) magazines, 1500 rds of ammo, a chest rig w/ four mag capacity, and a basic IFAK. Think along the lines of gloves, pressure bandage, TQ, and chest seal.  Rough guestimate would put you at $900ish  per loadout without spending the time to add it all up.  

Then my wife said something. "Why would we arm people that didn't prepare for themselves?" I was stumped. I guess kind of like if a kid can identify your password, you need a new password. My wife is NOT very tactically minded, and even she was able to identify this. 

Even with just the cost of one loadout, I could pay for my wife to go and take a tactics class, and pay for ammo. I now have a trained two person fire-team, rather than 4 extra schmucks with guns and ammo that probably called me paranoid the week before. 

WITH ALL THAT SAID, if you have a solid group of people that you absolutely know you can depend on, the finances, and patience to support it, then let capitalism take place.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Agreed. This isn't for arming your entire extended family, just putting some thought into what you have at hand in the event you unexpectedly need to arm an already reasonably trained friend who due to circumstances has to house crash for a while without his own stuff.

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Brock01 posted:

Then my wife said something. "Why would we arm people that didn't prepare for themselves?" I was stumped. I guess kind of like if a kid can identify your password, you need a new password. My wife is NOT very tactically minded, and even she was able to identify this. 

I understand her logic.

But then there are things like heavy lifting,  maintaining perimeter, OP, cooking, water, or they just have skills you don't such as medical, electrical, etc..

If all you got is you it doesn't take much to stretch you too thin.

And then somebody always has to walk point...

 

TNYankee posted:

Let's go a bit further...how about a simple "go" bag for the hastily-equipped clan in a disaster or defensive scenario?  I think a simple, cheap backpack with 4x bottled water, an MRE, FRS radio, flashlight, 4 rifle mags, simple cleaning kit (lube, toothbrush, boresnake), couple of those cheap USCG/German made parachute flares, and a poncho.

I can't fully articulate why, but a VS-17 air panel would be a good addition.  It makes for a good daylight marker in daylight.  Also good for marking an occupied room if hung from the window.

This assumes society has not collapsed and there are folks aloft and conducting CSAR.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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jcustisredux posted:
TNYankee posted:

Let's go a bit further...how about a simple "go" bag for the hastily-equipped clan in a disaster or defensive scenario?  I think a simple, cheap backpack with 4x bottled water, an MRE, FRS radio, flashlight, 4 rifle mags, simple cleaning kit (lube, toothbrush, boresnake), couple of those cheap USCG/German made parachute flares, and a poncho.

I can't fully articulate why, but a VS-17 air panel would be a good addition.  It makes for a good daylight marker in daylight.  Also good for marking an occupied room if hung from the window.

This assumes society has not collapsed and there are folks aloft and conducting CSAR.

The right people would know what a VS-17 is and would assume (I know we shouldn't)  know the tribe  who would use it.

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stray round posted:
Brock01 posted:

Then my wife said something. "Why would we arm people that didn't prepare for themselves?" I was stumped. I guess kind of like if a kid can identify your password, you need a new password. My wife is NOT very tactically minded, and even she was able to identify this. 

I understand her logic.

But then there are things like heavy lifting,  maintaining perimeter, OP, cooking, water, or they just have skills you don't such as medical, electrical, etc..

If all you got is you it doesn't take much to stretch you too thin.

And then somebody always has to walk point...

 

I can agree with you here. In the case where someone has something to legitimately offer me (skill or physical item), than that is fine. Someone just shows up because they know I have guns? They can place their lips upon my pasty white arse.

 I suppose what has to be established, is are you trying to set up an entire compound? Or just be the  grey-man and try not to "exist". 

Good points all around.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I actually considered listing a VS17 panel, and should have.  I was thinking about team-to-team signaling, not team to external air asset.  OTOH...not sure how much I want attention I want from an unknown air asset I have no comms with, assuming worst case scenario.  But it wouldn't hurt to have, small weight penalty and all.  Also, a med kit was missed on the load list, basic stuff.

I'm not interested in arming strangers with uncertain motivations or loyalty.  I would arm family, both actual and blue.  My neighborhood is large, and has a ton of unknown folks in it.

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If in doubt about the tone of my post, please refer to avatar.

For way less weight penalty, toss in a couple of signaling mirrors.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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Very interesting topic.

First of all Fuck you Murphy.

Secondly, as Bob said, I have a pretty strict definition of "friend."

But for those who have been to my house, you know the real problem.  I am on my fucking own.  There is no one in my AO....and I mean NO ONE.   In a perfect scenario, the whole CT Beer Social crew would be around but unlike another site, that is delusional thinking.  Everyone has to take care of their own.  Hell, I'm 45 miles from my family down state.   It just me, Stalin, P1, a Chihuahua and four cats.  Not exactly SEAL Team 6.

Being near the Hartford line,  this summer has seen a massive increase in burglaries, robberies and car thefts. The visitors know that it's a target rich environment and that all they have to do is hit and run back to Hartford where no one will chase them.  They have now come in daylight...on weekends....with people home but inside as they steal their cars or take things from the garage.  

There has luckily not been a confrontation which is a good thing and why I could have a limitless supply of "bro guns" and no one to give them to.  This place is so anti gun that on the local Facebook town page that my wife frequents, everyone complains about the incredible rise in crime yet when ONE guy suggested getting a gun, the place went so crazy, they kicked him off.  The overwhelming sentiment was I'd rather lose all of my shit than have a gun in the house.  And the people from Hartford know that too.  It's easy pickings plus with our new definition of "minor" going to 20 years of age and the closing of all juvenile holding facilities by our fearless leader, Gov. Malloy, the kids know there is no risk.  They could get caught a thousand times and not have a criminal record until they would commit a crime at age 21.  So lots of rich people....with lots of rich shit.....with open hatred of defending themselves because "society has made them this way"....with little chance of getting caught....and no punishment if you did.  Holy fuck, I'm surprised we haven't been overrun by now.

My house alone has four first floor entry ways.  My only feasible strategy if caught there is defend from the second floor and make it so bloody that people run the fuck away.  But all they need is one dude with a gas can and a lighter and things can get sporty quickly.  Poor mans siege weapon but brutally effective.  Johnny no like fire.  Fire burn.  Fire make Johnny sad.

I do have a plan that would probably work very well and only requires me to travel less than a mile.  But should that not workout and someday the balloon goes up and you guys are watching my local news coverage of Day 5 of The Hartford Riots and one of you that's been to my house sees a cadaver dog sniffing around the burning embers of my home...AVENGE ME!!!  AVENGE ME!!!

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Several PSA Premium AR uppers bought on sale with BCM BCG were the basis of a few of my AR's intended for this purpose and for arming grand-kids and their families when they are older. A few SKS were purchased when they were cheap 30 years ago. Several WASR-10 fairly recently along with a couple of PTR-91's and a couple DSA FAL. Between the CA state government, Obama and the fear of Hildebeast, the years before the 2016 election were busy buying guns and ammo.

Now is a good time to stock up before the next panic. Should be some good sales Thanksgiving with the current market. Winter is Coming...

 

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I'm not a gun guy and don't own any myself because guns are scary. That being said, I heard about a guy who keeps enough spare AR's on hand to arm a squad of folks to form the local neighborhood watch. That guy lives in an area with lots of previous military guys who would be familiar with AR's but who also have very good life skills (Dr's, Engineers, etc). I er, I mean 

I er, I mean he also has a bunch of Glock 19's and support gear for this same purpose. The short guns can go to others who are only familiar with pistols but can also serve as a secondary for others. 

I do have brothers, as well as many former SOF coworkers who are local that I would have no problem opening the safe for. Those dudes can put in work if needed and they might have been at work, or somewhere that would leave them unarmed before they show up on my doorstep. 

geronimo posted:

I'm not a gun guy and don't own any myself because guns are scary. That being said, I heard about a guy who keeps enough spare AR's on hand to arm a squad of folks to form the local neighborhood watch. That guy lives in an area with lots of previous military guys who would be familiar with AR's but who also have very good life skills (Dr's, Engineers, etc). I er, I mean 

I er, I mean he also has a bunch of Glock 19's and support gear for this same purpose. The short guns can go to others who are only familiar with pistols but can also serve as a secondary for others. 

I do have brothers, as well as many former SOF coworkers who are local that I would have no problem opening the safe for. Those dudes can put in work if needed and they might have been at work, or somewhere that would leave them unarmed before they show up on my doorstep. 

No one likes a showoff.

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"...AVENGE ME!!!  AVENGE ME!!!"

You post this almost on the same day Harry Dean Stanton died, at 91 y/o .  RIP. Wolverines!!!

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Sub-$300 C&R bolt action rifle (Mauser, Arisaka, etc..) handed off to be carried in "amber status" (loaded w/empty chamber, safety on) at all times would be my preferred way handle "Bro Gun" hand outs.  Plenty of decent DA/SA surplus handguns  are also in the Sub-$300 range (some of which are also C&R eligible).  Handguns would also be handed out in "amber status" with instructions that it stays that way unless a need to fire/return fire arises.  If anyone makes an attempt to chamber a round outside of a justifiable event, they'll be considered hostile and treated as a enemy who's threatened lethal force against me.

This provides a small measure of protection from infiltration of a hostile person, as well as providing some protection from ND's.  I do not like the idea of untrained or poorly trained people carrying hot firearms around me, even more so in a potentially dangerous environment.  If I know a person fairly well and trust that their level of training is beyond that of an average LEO/MIL schmuck, then I'd be willing to let them carry in "red condition" or perhaps loan them something better.

That's my outlook on equipping people during a natural or manmade disaster event, YMMV

My Bro guns would be for guys like the one who "borrowed" a Win 1200 after his roof & half his house collapsed on eveything he owned including his safe! My criteria for even discussing what I have is strict let alone lending anything out.  FWIW  in my old area where I resided, I was suprised at which neighbors had some type of gun ready to go in case of looting after Sandy. Most I'd never expect, some I was sure had something but no confirmation until I actually saw it. 

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