MOJONIXON posted:
Dorsai posted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Surpl...0:g:6yoAAOSwbmdZfT0X

At $10 or less and good for AK or AR, it makes sense as a loaner.  If some dumbshit is so ill equipped he needs to borrow my rifle, I'm not going to spend a lot of money on to of the line gear.  It was good enough for the Wolverines, it's good enough for him.

I’d take one of those for a “ just because” reason. Hard to read the ad though as it appears to be a China generated ad. Only 2 rigs left. 

Just do a search on the type of rig and dozens of ads will pop up.  In this context, I like that rig the best.  The standard AK chest rig has 3 mag pockets, this has 4.  I think I bought four of them and have them set up for AKM's or AK74's.  Just grab the rifle and the chest rig with 4 mags and cleaning gear.  They aren't fast to use,  but neither are they complicated.  

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High Cross posted:
David Reeves posted:

Well... we know AR's aren't legal everywhere, and M1 Carbines are hard to find... here's something our Aussie Friends should  be able to use for a little while...

Image result for slingshot

sling shots are a felony in New Jersey. No joke.

Get the Fuck out!

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I actually have some experience training people with "hand out" guns

There was a rash of break ins and robberies and drug shootings a few years back at my college in Southern Indiana back when the whole opoid crisis made a perfect storm with the high level of meth down there.


I had 3 of my friends call me and ask "I need to get a gun what do I do" and I walked them through getting a cheap Chinese knock off pump gun, and then took them to my gun club and gave them a half days instruction.  I already shot skeet with 2 of them and 1 of them had been hunting so they new the basics.   

The biggest things I found being an issue were recoil control and manipulation.  With proper body position/stance and even a basic use of firearms getting hits was not an issue even with shooting from the hip.  Though giving them snap caps really was useful in getting them trained up in manipulation as well as teaching them push pull and to lean into the gun to control recoil

Something else I did to help teach them to defend themselves and their homes was force on force with airsoft guns teaching them what the angles would be in their house from the door and from the bedroom and to figure out what is the best place to get cover and concealment, as well as to help teach basic weapons handling/close in marksmanship.  I didn't teach them to run around like rambo, but if someone was trying to kick in the door where was the best place to post up with a clear shot to the door and concealment/cover, and also the best place to cover the door from the bedroom.

I really do think airsoft is an under-rated tool here to teach people safe weapons handling, manipulation, and basic force on force.

Something I did that was really helpful in this situation and would be helpful if your serious about hand-out guns it to do some firearms instruction, even if only volunteer.  I did some work helping a friend set up and instruct some intro to handgun classes, and I also got the materials and did the coursework on being a NRA Personal Defense in the home but I never did get the cert.

Just having that experience was huge in being able to my friends trained up.  And honestly with how much the guys here at LFer know about firearms and whatnot it would not be a bad idea to even volunteer as an instructor to gain the skills in how to teach and disseminate knowledge about shooting and the 2nd amendment

 

2 places you can volunteer to help out train people is 1. Students for Concealed Carry at your local College.   Im sure the local president would be happy to have you take some people out to the range or give a presentation. 2 The collegiate shooting sports initiative.  It would be a great place to get some young pro 2nd A college students out and teach them how to be safe and use a gun and then get them out to shoot USPSA or two gun.  It would be a great way to give back, learn how to train people, and also ensure that the younger generation still protects the 2nd Amendment-

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You didn't bother reading the initial post.

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MrMurphy posted:

You didn't bother reading the initial post.

That and a lot of instructing and F on F training etc. but “didn’t get the cert.” I’m wondering what his qualifications to be an instructor are. None are listed. 

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MOJONIXON posted:
MrMurphy posted:

You didn't bother reading the initial post.

That and a lot of instructing and F on F training etc. but “didn’t get the cert.” I’m wondering what his qualifications to be an instructor are. None are listed. 

Thats the thing, I really at the time was just a college student and just liked to shoot, im not a LE or Mil guy and I helped out some of my friends.  I shoot USPSA and got the course materials and did some one on one work with the president of my gun club who is a instructor, but I realized it isn't my lane being a regular guy with my present life experience and I didn't have the time graduating college or working now 60 hours a week to do so.

Eventually I would like to teach CCW/Self defense from the perspective of "By a everyday Civilian concealed carry guy for the everyday guy" but I need to learn and train alot more and have more life experience before doing so

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Lowspeed, your lane is so far to the right, it's not even on the same fucking highway. 

Stop pimping your organization in every thread. 

Stop buying cheap pieces of shit then retroactively trying to justify it here. 

 

Save your college boy pennies, go to a professional training course or three, THEN we may talk. 

 

Until then, as always on LF read more, post less. 

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yakc130 posted:
High Cross posted:
David Reeves posted:

Well... we know AR's aren't legal everywhere, and M1 Carbines are hard to find... here's something our Aussie Friends should  be able to use for a little while...

Image result for slingshot

sling shots are a felony in New Jersey. No joke.

Get the Fuck out!

He's not lying.

New Jersey Statute 2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices.

e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

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And here's a surprise - MA General Laws, Chapter 269 Section 12 (not only sling shots, but slung shots too )

Section 12. Whoever manufactures or causes to be manufactured, or sells or exposes for sale, an instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as a dirk knife, a switch knife or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, slung shot, sling shot, bean blower, sword cane, pistol cane, bludgeon, blackjack, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or metallic knuckles or knuckles of any other substance which could be put to the same use and with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, shall be punished by a fine of not less than fifty nor more than one thousand dollars or by imprisonment for not more than six months; provided, however, that sling shots may be manufactured and sold to clubs or associations conducting sporting events where such sling shots are used.

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Bean blowers. ??? Straws and lungs?

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No sling shots?   Really? 

Was it really that long ago when a kid could save up money from mowing the neighbors' yards and could buy one out of the back of a comic book with a set of x-ray glasses?

 And what happens when a kid breaks off a y shaped branch and uses a 6" pocket knife to manufacture a slingshot?

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MrMurphy posted:

Lowspeed, your lane is so far to the right, it's not even on the same fucking highway. 

Stop pimping your organization in every thread. 

Stop buying cheap pieces of shit then retroactively trying to justify it here. 

 

Save your college boy pennies, go to a professional training course or three, THEN we may talk. 

 

Until then, as always on LF read more, post less. 

Lurking more is always a good thing. I figure I am just do damn bored at work and have been shitposting a bit.

I never bought a bersa, I just wanted to see what someone saw from it who actually used it.

And I have taken some training and plan on taking more.

I in the next year or two will take MAG-40, get out to Ohio and take one of Varg Freeborn's classes and in 2019 take ECQC with shivworks.  I plan on being a student of civilian self defense and want to keep a focus on that. 

Sorry for talking about Student's for Concealed carry.  IDK being someone who doesn't live in the industry/tactical/LE/Military world and having been in more liberal places I feel alot more urgency in the political side of things.  I figure it must be different and somewhat annoying for alot of you guys here.

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Sorry for the necropost, however I didn't want to start a new thread about the same subject matter. CDNN Investments is selling the Walther Creed 9mm for $269 +$4.99 shipping out the door. Very affordable service caliber semi-auto pistol for not much more than the aforementioned Taurus 85.

cdnnsports.com/walther-creed-9mm.html#.W-4bCmhKi00

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Palmetto is selling S&W Shields for $200 (after rebate), this would make a great start.

 

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Well, my loaner "Bro guns" are no more.  I've sold them all,  except for one, along with other "meh guns" to streamline and thin out the herd.  Ive kept the one as "trade gun" and will always have one gun that I'll keep as "pot sweetener" to close a deal on something I really want or to offset a larger cash outlay. What I have done, is to introduce folks to firearms and shooting by taking them to a range. A few have decided its time to take there own protection, to an extent, into there own hands. A few more just want to have a fun hobby which is cool too! IMHO,  I think thats better than loaning a shotty out during an iffy time. 

My how times have changed. 

Mosins are now almost as much as Palmetto AR kits.

I think in this day in age IMHO, it's up to the individual to have their own kit. 

It's too cost prohibitive to just willy nilly stockpile.  Either the person is equally invested or not. 

The money is better spent on more ammo and training(especially medical) on your family and yourself.

 

 

 

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The intent was never to randomly loan out guns. It was to keep an eye on what you have in the event during a disaster, a trusted person, possibly already armed but with a small CCW piece, etc, could get handed to assist.

Not Free Mosins For the Neighborhood,  more of your bro from Iraq got his house destroyed and all he had on him was a J frame. Here's the spare 870/levergun/AR whatever,  stand a watch till we can dig your safe out.

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Idk about you all, but there is a very small number of people I would consider a "bro".

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MrMurphy posted:

The intent was never to randomly loan out guns. It was to keep an eye on what you have in the event during a disaster, a trusted person, possibly already armed but with a small CCW piece, etc, could get handed to assist.

Not Free Mosins For the Neighborhood,  more of your bro from Iraq got his house destroyed and all he had on him was a J frame. Here's the spare 870/levergun/AR whatever,  stand a watch till we can dig your safe out.

It's never been for the neighborhood. It was for my extended family("bro", uncle, cousin, etc.) that lives in the region.

I was commenting on the cost of gun ownership in general. Virginia where I live has uncertain gun ownership future. I may only be allowed a mosin, and the cost is equivalent to a palmetto AR. 

This is where I am coming from. Someone who legally may only be allowed to use a mosin or a 6 shot revolver in the future. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brock01 posted:

Idk about you all, but there is a very small number of people I would consider a "bro".

Agreed, while I could outfit a scout platoon with ar15s, I don't think I know that many people around here I'd be willing to loan a rifle to and most of em have their own gear.

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If ya'all don't mind if I weigh in, on the subject of people I trust with my spare rifle - we are having this discussion under one set of circumstances, but about a wholly different set of 'circumstances'. The entire concept of the bro gun isn't for the people in your life now, the point is are you prepared for an unknown future; be it temporary displeasure because of regional calamity, or a more sporty longer-term upheaval most often associated with places other than here or in novels about long term power failure. Both will require new (and perhaps strange) bedfellows.

The people you will need when times are hard and circumstances are much more dire than our present Dancing with the Stars reality will come from walks of life you don't likely spend much time with now. When the time comes, there will be all sorts of people you are going to wish were kitted up, but not enough kit to go 'round. ... The dentist who owns no guns now, but is a good human and lives next door - you talk to him 3 times a year now ... The uncle you haven't seen 2 years, but when he finally makes it out of wherever he is now, he might be there with only the shirt on his back. Are you ready for them?

Lightfighter posted:

... Both will require new (and perhaps strange) bedfellows....

This.

Either because of skills or unskilled but willing.

It doesn't take long to totally exhaust a person physically and psychologically under continuous demands.  Delegation and specialization is your friend. 

 

 

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Lightfighter posted:
... Are you ready for them?

Hit the nail on the head. One of the reasons why I try to have a holster for every handgun and a sling for every rifle, even if they’re ones I would not normally consider carrying. The  oddball Tokarev pistol, the plinker 10/22, etc.

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I'm looking for some wisdom from the hive mind.

If someone had a trusted bro, who's a grown adult and understands the basics of firearm safety and knows how to use a rifle and a shotgun (let's say, a .22 bolt action and a 12-gauge pump) - and perhaps that someone had an AR-15 they could loan that bro for a rainy day - what would be the recommended link or set of links one could share with that bro to give them a simple, reliable reference for the manual of arms, how to adjust sights, cleaning, etc. (after giving them the in-person version of above)? Something they can refer to at their leisure, and practice in the comfort of their home?

DaveT posted:

I'm looking for some wisdom from the hive mind.

If someone had a trusted bro, who's a grown adult and understands the basics of firearm safety and knows how to use a rifle and a shotgun (let's say, a .22 bolt action and a 12-gauge pump) - and perhaps that someone had an AR-15 they could loan that bro for a rainy day - what would be the recommended link or set of links one could share with that bro to give them a simple, reliable reference for the manual of arms, how to adjust sights, cleaning, etc. (after giving them the in-person version of above)? Something they can refer to at their leisure, and practice in the comfort of their home?

I would start with a copy of the 4 rules and then go DIRECTLY to the manufacturers website for the owners manual.

In a generic sense- then I would look at maybe the USMC or ARMY user level manuals. 

I'm retired Army but I feel the USMC has ALWAYS done a better job with individual marksmanship and weapon skills (radio operations as well) than the US ARMY has.

I have attached "A" US ARMY -10.. it is a little older, but will provide the information as to help an inexperienced "bro" out.

Also attached is FM 3-22x9. The US ARMY Marksmanship Manual.

CMP is also a wealth of information.   https://thecmp.org/

All of that being said.. I would not let one of my weapons out of my physical control without ensuring that whomever was taking possession of it was safe and competent with it.

A couple of range AND maintenance sessions along with a good talk through of the 4 rules, an overview of what makes a shithead shootable in the local jurisdiction and how to store / safeguard the weapon.

Do everything you can do to proactively insulate yourself in the event that something happens that draws attention from local / federal authorities or.. somewhat worse.... blood-sucking ambulance chasers.



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I am running into this problem currently. I have friends who are very good people, didn't get the whole "gun thing" but are now realizing their mistake. I have extras but they are for family. So I was wondering grabbing one or two for loaners. Recently saw a Ruger AR pistol for 600 and it got me thinking.

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Same stuff here. I got  one friend to go as far as buying  an S&W .22 . But not beyond that.  Subsequently, had a step-daughter assaulted, by a guy who knew where she lived, but took no other steps to increase his capabilities. 

Do to the current state offered him a loaner G19, Surefire WML, duty ammo, holster and mags and basic training on all. So far no commitment.

Retired military officer, jet pilot but not willing to move forward with training and practice. 

Great friend, but can't accept that it could happen in my house. 

I'll keep working him! 

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Truckie posted:

I am running into this problem currently. I have friends who are very good people, didn't get the whole "gun thing" but are now realizing their mistake. I have extras but they are for family. So I was wondering grabbing one or two for loaners. Recently saw a Ruger AR pistol for 600 and it got me thinking.

Ya my bro-in-law started texting me the other night asking what kind of gun he should get. He said "it's time."  Me:  It was time a long time ago. It's well past time. Told him to get an 870 in 18.5" with sling and a light. Plus some dummy rounds to practice loading, unloading, cycling. As for education... go watch a video. I don't know what else to tell him. He's a suburbanite living 3 hrs from me. Taking care of my sister and their kids.

 

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Re: people deciding to get one now, aside from the timing of the decision, are your LGS still open? My go to store just sent out an email that they are closed until the 31st.

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Maskirovka posted:
Truckie posted:

I am running into this problem currently. I have friends who are very good people, didn't get the whole "gun thing" but are now realizing their mistake. I have extras but they are for family. So I was wondering grabbing one or two for loaners. Recently saw a Ruger AR pistol for 600 and it got me thinking.

Ya my bro-in-law started texting me the other night asking what kind of gun he should get. He said "it's time."  Me:  It was time a long time ago. It's well past time. Told him to get an 870 in 18.5" with sling and a light. Plus some dummy rounds to practice loading, unloading, cycling. As for education... go watch a video. I don't know what else to tell him. He's a suburbanite living 3 hrs from me. Taking care of my sister and their kids.

Haha.

I got a  'Remember back in 1996 when I gave my guns & ammunition to you because I wanted nothing to do with "death machines" & "high powered weapons"?  I want them back.  When can I pick them up?   Tomorrow?

No. 

Besides...you need all that licensing & transferring dealer admin you said was for the best, recall?

My thoughts on this topic haven't changed one bit since this topic was first started.

Over the last couple of years, I've offered to assist friends and acquaintances on selecting their first gun whenever they would bring the topic up. Many took me up on the offer at the time and are now glad they took the plunge. 

But some put it off because there was always something sparkly or shiny that they had to run out and charge onto their credit card instead.  At the time, I knew that in the back of their mind they thought they didn't need to spend the money on a gun and ammunition. They believed  they could just show up at my door at any time and I'd be more than happy to give them anything they wanted.

There is a term for people who show up uninvited with the expectation of taking from you what they want.

They're called Looters...

My son-in-law and step-daughter daughter have three kids. They struggle with money only because of their income bracket, but they manage to get by because of their ability to make mature decisions. He bought a S&W M&P9 and a Mossberg 500 12 gage a couple of years ago. I talked to my step-daughter on the phone earlier in the week about ammo on hand. They maybe had some FMJ 9mm and a couple of 5 rd boxes of slugs. They are coming to visit grandpa tomorrow. They are leaving with 100 rds of 12 ga OO buck and 100 rds of 147 gr Ranger T series 9mm. 

Last night we had some serious storms roll through with the possibility of tornados.  With everything going on, it made me think about this topic. 

If a close friend or family member were to have lost their gun and ammo due to a tornado, in the current environment, I'd do what I could to help them out by loaning them something, gun wise. 

But if a person never felt the need to look to the personal safety of their family or themselves because they assumed I'd be the local armory? Not happening...

 

 

 

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Beat Trash posted:

My thoughts on this topic haven't changed one bit since this topic was first started.

Over the last couple of years, I've offered to assist friends and acquaintances on selecting their first gun whenever they would bring the topic up. Many took me up on the offer at the time and are now glad they took the plunge. 

But some put it off because there was always something sparkly or shiny that they had to run out and charge onto their credit card instead.  At the time, I knew that in the back of their mind they thought they didn't need to spend the money on a gun and ammunition. They believed  they could just show up at my door at any time and I'd be more than happy to give them anything they wanted.

There is a term for people who show up uninvited with the expectation of taking from you what they want.

They're called Looters...

My son-in-law and step-daughter daughter have three kids. They struggle with money only because of their income bracket, but they manage to get by because of their ability to make mature decisions. He bought a S&W M&P9 and a Mossberg 500 12 gage a couple of years ago. I talked to my step-daughter on the phone earlier in the week about ammo on hand. They maybe had some FMJ 9mm and a couple of 5 rd boxes of slugs. They are coming to visit grandpa tomorrow. They are leaving with 100 rds of 12 ga OO buck and 100 rds of 147 gr Ranger T series 9mm. 

Last night we had some serious storms roll through with the possibility of tornados.  With everything going on, it made me think about this topic. 

If a close friend or family member were to have lost their gun and ammo due to a tornado, in the current environment, I'd do what I could to help them out by loaning them something, gun wise. 

But if a person never felt thneed to look to the personal safety of their family or themselves because they assumed I'd be the local armory? Not happening...

This^^^^
Also, right now is the time where we are finding who is your “bro” and who is not your “bro”. 

It’s unfortunate, but I’m seeing that right now....

when we make it out of this and we will....cause Merica!!!! I will have learned a lot...even about my own extended family....

I appreciate the answers I've received so far, and wanted to widen the net a bit - any recommended videos (because sometimes seeing it's better than reading it)?

Someone walking through the real basics of the manual of arms, load/unload, firing and making safe, tap/rack, proper cleaning and lubing, perhaps using a sling.

And as always, thank you Lightfighters.

DaveT posted:

I appreciate the answers I've received so far, and wanted to widen the net a bit - any recommended videos (because sometimes seeing it's better than reading it)?

Someone walking through the real basics of the manual of arms, load/unload, firing and making safe, tap/rack, proper cleaning and lubing, perhaps using a sling.

And as always, thank you Lightfighters.

I know he's not popular to many but I know James Yeager has some pretty good videos. If nothing else I know I've seen cleaning/ lubrication videos.

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Oh Christ, not Yeager. 

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Outside the “controversial” statements regarding loading 28 vs 30 rounds, I found this video is a pretty good overview of handling the AR:

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