We are living in the golden era of cheap but good quality firearms, especially handguns. CDNN Investments has been selling the Walther Creed for $249 for the last several months. The S&W SD9 can be had for $269 on GunBroker. Good quality pump shotguns can be had for the $150-300 range. If stocking up on "Bro Guns" is your thing, then the time is now to stock up!

Outside the “controversial” statements regarding loading 28 vs 30 rounds, I found this video is a pretty good overview of handling the AR:

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----JeffM - thanks for that link! Perfect for the intended recipient - a bit like having Mr. Rogers calmly explain the process. Exactly what I was looking for - I will of course be looking around, but if someone's got any other suggestions on videos for clean/maintain/lube, and nondiagnostic "fixing" of malfunctions (tap/rack, drop/replace the mag, etc) - that would be great.

And David Reeves - thanks for the manuals. I'll be sending all of this along.

Well basically I load AR mags with 28 rounds because Pat Rogers told me to at the first course he ran at Casa Grande.   Hasn't failed me yet and I do remember Push-Pull .

Call me old or stupid, could be either, but "classics are classics, because they work." 

B0308 posted:

Well basically I load AR mags with 28 rounds because Pat Rogers told me to at the first course he ran at Casa Grande.   Hasn't failed me yet and I do remember Push-Pull .

Call me old or stupid, could be either, but "classics are classics, because they work." 

I have some of the DD 32 rounders that I load to 30 (because three stripper  clips) that have my bonded defense ammo in them. However, as far as the others go, I'll load a mag to 30, then check it for easy lock in various lowers I have. If I need to download it, I'll mark it as such. Maybe a pain to do that bit of extra work, but you're already marking and verifying your mags are in spec before you  use them anyway. Or at least I am.

B0308 posted:

Well basically I load AR mags with 28 rounds because Pat Rogers told me to at the first course he ran at Casa Grande.   Hasn't failed me yet and I do remember Push-Pull .

Call me old or stupid, could be either, but "classics are classics, because they work." 

Presscheck (you know who he is) did a video on 28 or 30 rds per magazine.  He took a number of magazines; old, new, different manufacturers and loaded them to 30.  His test was whether the magazine could be inserted and locked with two fingers supplying the pressure.  If they couldn't, they were downloaded to 28.  IIRC, newer Pmags could hold 30, older ones 28. 

I have considered this and come to this conclusion.  I have aluminum mags (diff mfgs, including Colt) and Pmags of different generations.  I load to 28 for everything.  The ease and lack of complexity outweighs another 2 rds in some of the mags.  YMMV.

Edited to add the video link.

https://www.arbuildjunkie.com/...ing-the-ar-magazine/

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Brother Dorsai, that's what made me rethink the 28. Especially given all my mags (other than the dozen or so DD mags I have) are PMag Gen III. (I went through a long time with a hoplophobic wife -- who came around, truly -- so I didn't have a carbine between about 2004 when I sold a postban configuration hobby gun to a friend because I was cash poor and 2016.)

B0308 posted:

Well basically I load AR mags with 28 rounds because Pat Rogers told me to at the first course he ran at Casa Grande.   Hasn't failed me yet and I do remember Push-Pull .

Call me old or stupid, could be either, but "classics are classics, because they work." 

... this, starting at Basic Carbine in Culpeper a long time ago.  At that time I was using (mostly) Okay Industries metallic magazines in a Colt preban lower/6920 upper.  Today, it's almost exclusively Gen II PMAGs in either of two guns with reliable tolerances, but I still load 28 in everything to keep life simple.  Like hile, magazines are all distinctively numbered for easy identification:

- on the range

- if there's a function issue

- what's loaded in each.

Since that first carbine course I've taken advantage of sale prices and chance opportunities to acquire magazines and ammunition.  Having LOTS of loaded magazines saved a step when Pat said it was time to "urinate, hydrate, and jam mags."  In the last few years I haven't had the free time to maintain the two-classes per year schedule I used to have.  As a result of my buying habits, I'm pretty adequately provisioned for ammunition and magazines now.  

For "the bro gun" eligibility Pat also gave me the words to describe my feelings.  "I really don't like most people very much."

EAG alumni, Friends of Pat, my next-door neighbor's family (but only the ones east of me) would have first dibs on what I have to share.  My only immediate family (outside my household) burned the bridges a while back, so I don't have to deal with that, and they don't want my icky guns anyhow; Comrade Bernie will make everything better for them.  

On that note, if anyone in the above categories is within about an hour's drive, and needs magazines, or 5.56 or 9 mm ammunition, I can probably help, until his Excellency the Governor gets on board with Communist Central Committee policy and shuts down all movement in Virginia.

For a decent overview of breaking down, cleaning, and putting an AR back into operation (Lube especially) it's hard to beat Kyle Defoor's video. He gives just enough detail to keep it focused and informative for novice users.  He has several others that I recommend to people who aren't necessarily gun folks that go pay for training. I'm all about working within each person's limitations and if I can prime the pump slowly, maybe one day I can get them into a real class. 

Kyle dropping the clean and lube bombs

 

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