The Bro Gun

I'm just going to ask it. Can anyone ever really have too many G-19's?

Wouldn't it be cool to have a bunch of guns that use the same magazines, holsters, sights, etc?  My thinking is kind of like Jack from the Survival Podcast says, it's for if times get tough or even if they don't. Every "prep" I have has a today for-real nature to it. My spare guns are for range fun, my generator is for camping, my spare propane bottles are so I don't have to run to the store when grilling and the primary tank runs down. 

Buy what you already use and buy accessories or spares as it becomes feasible. No need to have a ton of different guns without support gear for any of them. I learned this lesson after I lost all of my guns in a divorce (fuck that cunt) and had to start from scratch. Now I only buy multiples of what I already have for the most part. Boringly reliable...

I got an email that Aim Surplus had Glock 22 police trade ins for $300.   I'm sure other places are similar or soon will be.

Add one of the Glock brand belt slide holsters and their mag pouch for about 25 bucks and that is probably a rig that is better than a majority of gun owners would show up with.   I'd be tempted to load them with something like the 135 gr Border Patrol load to keep recoil down.

In the past I've ran into a couple of older 870 Wingmasters  cheap because they didn't have a vent rib,were full choked and not photogenic.  Solid slick guns after cleanup, shortening the barrel and adding a sling.

That's two gun and  extras for low price AR type money.

 

plus 1 on gear and using it. 

Pops taught me that camping gear is great for emergencies and from then on I always bought with that in mind. 

I just got some of these: http://stanley-pmi.com/store/s.../productID.324177300

with the stainless nestled cups for camping with the thought of using them for camping and shtf. 

Plus one on the glock 22 police trade ins...I was trying to sell my glock 22 and had a couple of buyers until that deal came up...I cant and don't want to beat that price...so, the glock 22 stays on as a family/bro gun

The additional benefit of rotating SHTF gear for regular use is that you know it works and you know how it works.

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For me it would depend on the definition of, "Bro". I have some blood relatives that I wouldn't trust. And I have some acquaintances that I would trust with my life. 

I don't let many know that I have any extra guns or supplies. People talk. I can't stand the usual statement, "Well if thing ever got to the point where SHTF, I'll just come to your house." So imagine if these same people told others where to go if things ever got bad. You're house could easily become a prime target. These people would most likely not be welcome at my house, much less be given weapons. But trusted friends/relatives who may have lost their gear due to natural disasters. Or because of a natural/man made disaster are not able to get back to their home. These people are those who I think of when reading this topic. 

I am against the cheap quality AR's only because if the need exists to had out a Bro gun, then things are bad enough that the gun needs to be dependable. The Bro may be using your handout to protect you or your family.

I have a few extra Colt 6920's laying around that I bought in 2014-2015 with the expectation of Hillary winning the election.  When I bought them, I had no intent of flipping them. I wanted to put something back for kids and step-kids. Or at least that's what I told myself as I was buying new guns. To be honest, I like buying new guns...

But now the election is over and I'm stuck with these Colt 6920's as the market is so soft.  I refuse to sell them for what I would have to sell a used 6920 for (even though one is unfired and the rest only have one 30 rd mag through the gun). 

I don't really have a use for a 16" carbine with a fixed front sight either personally or professionally. All my work and personal guns have FF barrels, ect. If I could sell them at a reasonable price, I would.  But with the current market...

The recent round of hurricanes have made me think of the "Bro Gun" concept. My "extra" Colt 6920's have MagPul MOE SL furniture on them, and a sling. A red dot optic would be preferable, but I don't know that I want to throw more money into the concept.  I did install a Mag Pul cantilever picatinny rail to each so a light could be added. 

I can easily set aside 4-5 magazines per carbine along with ammunition and a basic cleaning kit and a means to carry the extra magazines.

Even without an optic, I feel that a basic 6920 with iron sights would still be an effective gun. Better than a sharp stick.

I have enough S&W M&P gen 1 and Glock 19/17 gen 3 9mm pistols sitting around that I could pair a 9mm with each carbine. 

 

 

 

 

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This probably will be shit on, it's a horrible gun, but it does work. 

I have a mosin nagant for this purpose, it was under $100 dollars and at the time the ammo for 440rds was $80 dollars in two sealed "spam cans". I will probably acquire a few more mosins for this purpose. they are not sexy, but 7.62x54R will do work and it's cheap. granted the berdan primed is what i speak off. i am aware of the corrision issue. If the gun after getting cleaned properly and sits in a safe FOREVER, and the spam canned stays sealed. throw in some stripper clips, with cheap cloth bandoleers.  I can outfit 10 people for about 1500. 

These guns are for non-shooters to have a gun(aunts, uncles, grandparents, people who don't believe in guns). most people know how to use a bolt action. 

nothing more nothing less, it's not sexy but it's simple, and effective. 

If you are a shooter, you should have a backup site, and come prepared with your own toys. 

 

 

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"Nobelesse Oblige"

I have a Mosin and a few other same generation rifles, mostly because i collect them.  In a pinch, they're a major upgrade over someone who shows up with their daily carry piece. I live on acres, a pistol won't even accurately reach the end of my driveway.  An AK or AR would be better, but only have a few to go around.

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Beat Trash posted:
 People talk. I can't stand the usual statement, "Well if thing ever got to the point where SHTF, I'll just come to your house."

 

Anyone who suggests that to me gets told bluntly "If SHTF, I won't be there.  Go get your own"

Beat Trash posted:

People talk. I can't stand the usual statement, "Well if thing ever got to the point where SHTF, I'll just come to your house."

 

That would be a FANTASTIC way to get shot. If I want you to be at my place, I'll tell you. Otherwise its a free fire zone.

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David Reeves posted:
Beat Trash posted:

People talk. I can't stand the usual statement, "Well if thing ever got to the point where SHTF, I'll just come to your house."

 

That would be a FANTASTIC way to get shot. If I want you to be at my place, I'll tell you. Otherwise its a free fire zone.

Totally agree.  If you do show up uninvited, the only thing sparing you is an offering of immense significance.  And I mean IMMENSE.  We’re talking The Kate in her Selene outfit carrying a case of Pappy Van Winkle....at minimum.

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Linz posted:

I suppose M1 carbines are not a cheap, user friendly option?

When CMP had them for 500 bucks they would of been. As a bonus that is what they where designed for second line/non rifleman. I wish I had bought more than one.

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sub posted:
Linz posted:

I suppose M1 carbines are not a cheap, user friendly option?

When CMP had them for 500 bucks they would of been. As a bonus that is what they where designed for second line/non rifleman. I wish I had bought more than one.

Has the US market swallowed all of them?

What about the modern versions?  Wasn't someone putting them out in pistol calibers?

 

These days you can get a good quality AR cheaper than an M1 carbine.

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MrMurphy posted:

These days you can get a good quality AR cheaper than an M1 carbine.

ARs are not legal in every state though.

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It's not that life is so short, it's that you're dead for so long.

The .45-70 is the only government I trust

"I was raised in a place called America...
It's gone now, I wish you could've seen it"
- a WWII vet

 

Joined: 1/30/06 3:34 PM - Location:MA

Well... we know AR's aren't legal everywhere, and M1 Carbines are hard to find... here's something our Aussie Friends should  be able to use for a little while...

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Linz posted:

I suppose M1 carbines are not a cheap, user friendly option?

When CMP had them for 500 bucks they would of been. As a bonus that is what they where designed for second line/non rifleman. I wish I had bought more than one.

Has the US market swallowed all of them?

What about the modern versions?  Wasn't someone putting them out in pistol calibers?

 

Chiappa was making a 9mm M1 Carbine that accepts Beretta 92 mags.

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I got a good stash of ARs and handguns but I'd be hard pressed to need to loan to my friends. If their someone I trust they already have there own.  With that I have got a few in to having and shooting ARs, but they aren"t coming to me if in need of one now. Now if one of the ones I'd call a friend did have to I'd be able to and would.... but I can count my friends on one or both hands really. Two of them have more pro gun wives than you can believe.... lucky Guys.. ones wife bought hubby a Barrett. 

One of our LGS's had new Taurus 85s for $200, minus the $40 rebate, and the free year of NRA membership. ($35), or the equivalent of $125 out of pocket. I figure this is about as good as it gets for a loaner: easy to hide, easy to use, and minimal tears if it doesn't come back.

In the event of a major disaster,  for someone trained and trusted who just happens to not have a serious piece at hand....  I'd never give them a 2" .38. Shotguns from pawn shops are just as cheap and FAR more effective.

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Considering the storms to the east...bump.

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MrMurphy posted:

In the event of a major disaster,  for someone trained and trusted who just happens to not have a serious piece at hand....  I'd never give them a 2" .38. Shotguns from pawn shops are just as cheap and FAR more effective.

Agreed. An old $250 870/ 500 series, and take a hacksaw to the barrel to about 20".

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bestcounsel posted:

The new ruger pcc might fit the bill...especially if you rock a glock17/19

Curious to see how these will turn out. Certainly looks promising.

If you have to fight, fight like the third monkey trying to get on Noah's Ark, and brother, it's starting to rain.

The way I look at it = It doesn't matter to me if the people in my life are prepared or not. I know that when the time comes, I need them far more than they need me. I know it sounds contrary to what many like to proclaim "don't come to my house unless you bring your preps with you" - however, hard times is a team sport. And its a contact sport. You/We will need each other and if I happen to be the one thinking ahead, then I happen to be the one thinking ahead.

This does not mean I surround my family with know-nothing knuckleheads, but there are in-laws, family members, friends who are family who might not be as far along as my family is, but have tremendous value. We'll need each other far more than I need to "have been right". I prep rifles, kit, dry goods, sundries, etc knowing that the number of people in my household will double/triple and we'll need them all to put the homestead, protect ourselves, and put the pieces back together.

 

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I agree with your thought process, provided I could trust these individuals enough to arm them. By trust, I refer to trust in their skill and mindset enough to arm them. And trust them enough that I do not have to feel my own weapon being turned against me. 

If  you trust these people, then I agree that hard times would be a team sport. 

 

 

 

 

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Along those lines, I’m in a similar situation. I have certain people tapped on the shoulder should anything happen. 

 

They’re not necessarily “prepared” as much as I may be, but they’re useful in various ways and I can trust them. 

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sub posted:

CMP sold out a couple years ago. A company called Inland or Auto ordanance makes a repro model. No experance with it. It runs around $850. 

They've been repro'd since the 50's, when they started running out of wartime receivers to assemble into whole guns. Iver Johnson, Universal, Plainfield Machine Co, Rock Island, Springfield, just to name a few big ones. 6.1 million carbines made during the war, probably close to 2 million (according to the"War Baby" book series) made after the war by various people and companies. To top it off, other than the later production Universal carbines, and the odd caliber ones, all use GI spec or close to it for parts, much like ARs do now.

Carbines aren't super plentiful on the market right now, but they're still out there. Just scored a 60's Iver Johnson out of KC for $250. Barrel and receiver are new production, everything else is GI parts. Additionally I think they're squirreled away by grandpas the nation over to a higher degree than people give them credit for. They're handy little ranch rifles with zilch for recoil, being essentially the first purpose built pistol caliber PDW.

Learn how to talk and how to fight, if you can't do one you'll be doing a lot of the other.

Back when an SKS was a $200 proposition, it was the answer. If you really want loaner guns on hand, I'd get LE trade-ins that use the same mag as your primary platform (G19, G23 are pretty cheap), and some of the cheap "Sportical" ARs that run around 450-550.

 

These would also trade a lot better than some of the other options as they are recognizable brands and platforms. Makes the ammo piece easier as well. Entry ARs are basically as cheap as you can get any decent bolt gun these days. I'd stay away from .22LR, because you are really not going to have much effect on anything past 100m.

While i wouldn't prefer a .22 for the purpose, in an average city subdivision, a burst of .22s into a bad guy at 30-50 yards would certainly get their attention..

 

Not everyone can stockpile a safe full of spares, thus the intent of the thread was to think about just what you DO have on hand if you get unexpected reliable refugees to add to the sentry roster.

 

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Any recommendations for a chest rig to go with a loaner AR?  The Blue Force Ten Speed  looks like a winner at $80 on Optactical. I seems like it makes sense if I'm at the point of loaning a rifle out to have a chest rig, and a basic cleaning kit to go with it.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Surpl...0:g:6yoAAOSwbmdZfT0X

At $10 or less and good for AK or AR, it makes sense as a loaner.  If some dumbshit is so ill equipped he needs to borrow my rifle, I'm not going to spend a lot of money on to of the line gear.  It was good enough for the Wolverines, it's good enough for him.

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Ground Pounder posted:

Any recommendations for a chest rig to go with a loaner AR?  The Blue Force Ten Speed  looks like a winner at $80 on Optactical. I seems like it makes sense if I'm at the point of loaning a rifle out to have a chest rig, and a basic cleaning kit to go with it.

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Dorsai posted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Surpl...0:g:6yoAAOSwbmdZfT0X

At $10 or less and good for AK or AR, it makes sense as a loaner.  If some dumbshit is so ill equipped he needs to borrow my rifle, I'm not going to spend a lot of money on to of the line gear.  It was good enough for the Wolverines, it's good enough for him.

I’d take one of those for a “ just because” reason. Hard to read the ad though as it appears to be a China generated ad. Only 2 rigs left. 

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Ground Pounder posted:

Any recommendations for a chest rig to go with a loaner AR?  The Blue Force Ten Speed  looks like a winner at $80 on Optactical. I seems like it makes sense if I'm at the point of loaning a rifle out to have a chest rig, and a basic cleaning kit to go with it.

Short of the chinese rig, you will not beat that price. I would buy now.

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